Anonymous #3 3w

how about it's between them and their parents and their doctors (ya know the people who have to go to school for almost a decade to get to do what they do) also, for most minors gender affirming looks like wearing the clothing they want and changing their hair, nothing permanent. do your research before you spew uneducated hate.

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Anonymous #3 3w

also the regret rate for gender affirming surgeries is less than 1%

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Anonymous #2 3w

i would appreciate not using comments such as, "do your research before you spew uneducated hate." i think that is an incredibly uneducated statement that lacks critical thinking. with such a statement as, "gender affirming looks like wearing the clothing they want and changing their hair, nothing permanent," is factually incorrect. Chloe Cole is a prime example. transitioning medically and changing your appearance are not the same thing. minors are not allowed to do XYZ, but can chop their bits

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Anonymous #2 3w

i don't believe there are enough stats, or that enough time has lapsed, for the stat of "the regret rate for gender affirming surgeries is less than 1%" to be accurate, especially given the amount of testimonies out there and the development of the brain process.

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Anonymous #3 3w

that's a very sad story but it's one persons experience. again i reiterate, the regret rate is less than 1% until it's your kid mind your on business

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Anonymous #2 3w

yikes. that's a great way to shut down the conservation and not address points! have a great day/night! :)

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Anonymous #3 3w

you can believe whatever you want but you're not a researcher so you're random opinion doesn't matter at all😆

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Anonymous #2 3w

proud to say that i at least have an informed opinion! also, all of our opinions matter, including yours. thanks!

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Anonymous #3 3w

yes you got it! because it's not a conversation you need to be a part of until AGAIN it's you or your kid, so glad we had this talk :)

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Anonymous #3 3w

mhm ignorance is bliss

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Anonymous #2 3w

what a sad perspective you have. society impacts us all — all of our perspectives and opinions matter. i hope you expand your mind. good day! 🫶🏼

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Anonymous #3 3w

sitting on a high horse while trying to infringe on people's right to exist how they choose is truly wild. if wishing for people get to live how they want to live is sad then idk what to tell you. also how on earth is peoples personal decision on how they present themselves affecting society exactly?

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Anonymous #3 3w

also only about 3 minors per 100,000 who identify as trans have surgeries to affirm their gender as a minor...

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Anonymous #2 3w

do you think minors should be allowed to: 1. vote 2. drink alcohol 3. smoke nicotine or use other drugs 4. consent to sex or marriage 5. enlist in the military

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Anonymous #3 3w

no lol, you think you're making some grand point don't ya

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Anonymous #2 3w

to clarify, you don't think minors should be allowed to make those decisions, but you think it's okay for a minor to put themselves on puberty blockers, or to surgically remove genitalia?

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Anonymous #3 3w

"The rate of undergoing a gender-affirming surgery with a TGD-related diagnosis was 5.3 per 100 000 total adults compared with 2.1 per 100 000 minors aged 15 to 17 years, 0.1 per 100 000 minors aged 13 to 14 years, and 0 procedures among minors aged 12 years or younger" (Dai et al., 2024).

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Anonymous #2 3w

i saw your screenshot before you deleted the image. that doesn't answer the question i proposed.

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Anonymous #3 3w

i think in the very very very small scenario in which that might happen it's up to the child's parents and doctors, not random people on yikyak with some sort of savior complex

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Anonymous #2 3w

surgery ≠ puberty blockers. again, critical thinking is incredibly helpful.

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Anonymous #3 3w

i just copied what was in the screenshot for your education. it didn't post under the thread which is why i deleted it

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Anonymous #2 3w

considering doctors have admitted they are flying by the seat of their pants with it, no, i don't think it should be left to them. considering they threaten parents, no, i don't think it should be left to them either. the minor should make that decision as an adult.

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Anonymous #2 3w

i appreciate your attempt to "educate" me. i already knew the stats you dropped. i've addressed it in part too through these comments.

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Anonymous #3 3w

so the minor should make the decision... if they want to get surgery or go on puberty blockers (a study by harvard found that less than .1% of minors with private insurance go on these) they can? you're contradicting yourself

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Anonymous #2 3w

stating the minor should make those decision(s) when they are an adult is not a contradiction. critical thinking skills.

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Anonymous #3 3w

you said they should make the decision as an adult, i took that as they can act as an adult, sorry you didn't make yourself clear

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Anonymous #2 3w

i mean, i don't track your logic of coming to that conclusion, but i would've expanded more had i had more character availability. yak be limiting too little characters haha

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Anonymous #3 3w

I had to wait till I was an adult and all it did was put me behind and damaged me

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Anonymous #4 3w

i'm happy you received the help that you need and i assume you are doing better in life now. however, i think that the risk of a minor regretting their decision outweighs the potential positive impact it could have on them. i don't mind children dressing how they want, behaving how they want, but medically transitioning is where i believe the line should be drawn, for all the aforementioned reasons, and more.

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Anonymous #3 3w

That’s a very low risk, look at studies on it

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Anonymous #4 3w

i don't think studies have had ample opportunity to actually do credible research, especially given other countries more advanced in research reversing their previously enacted policies. minors generally aren't allowed to drink, smoke, vote, enlist in the military, get a tattoo, get married, etc. & the same should apply for medically transitioning a person's sex. this makes sense logically, morally, and scientifically.

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Anonymous #3 3w

for the exact reason #4 gave, it should be up to individuals and their support system. you're coming across very invalidating of someone's lived experience.

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Anonymous #2 3w

you think my comment was "very invalidating of their experience"? my goodness. it's called a differing perspective and thought. i was not insensitive to their experience and i'm glad they are doing great, as an assumption. if you think my comment was insensitive, i would encourage you to dive into the comment sections of content on these topics.

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Anonymous #3 3w

your comment came across as, i'm so glad your doing good now even though you made it clear you had to go through hell before you were able to get the care you needed, but yea i still think that people like you should have to suffer until they are ready according to my opinion. maybe im wrong, and #4 wouldn't feel that way but thats how it seems

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Anonymous #2 3w

because you do realize that's what your advocating for right? for people to have to be uncomfortable in their skin until they hit a certain age, all because of the very small chance they will regret it

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Anonymous #2 3w

let me point something out — we all go through hell, every day. child or adult, we all go thru hell, some more than others. doesn't change my stance due to all the aforementioned reasons, backed by logic and science. this is the middle ground between the beliefs. i'm not even asserting my personal beliefs into what i think should happen because i live in reality — i've drawn the middle ground between the two opposing beliefs. common ground should be found amongst society.

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Anonymous #2 3w

people live in their own skin uncomfortable everyday. the risk outweighs the potential pros. medical transition is not necessary for a minor child to change their appearance or behavior to begin exploring, if that is what they truly desire. critical thinking skills and logic are beautiful.

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Anonymous #3 3w

sure expect the "hell" is completely preventable in this specific case, it's not preventable in every case

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Anonymous #2 3w

the exact reason it's not preventable in every case should be a clear indicator that it should not be permissible to medically transition a minor until they can choose at the age of 18. this is common sense actually, not even completely based on logic and reasoning.

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Anonymous #3 3w

whatever you say, you are clearly all knowing. i'm gonna sleep easy tonight knowing i mind my own business and allow people to live their lives how they choose. nighty night😘

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Anonymous #3 3w

Omg bro literally all the signs point to detransitioning being a rare occurrence yet you still wanna keep arguing about it. You just live in an echo chamber and you wanna argue about what’s “logical” yet clearly the way you’re thinking isn’t logical, it’s driven by bias and opinions.

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Anonymous #2 3w

sweet dreams, my friend! 🤍

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Anonymous OP 3w

phew, i can see critical thinking skills are not present. you have sweet dreams too, my friend! 🫶🏼

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Anonymous OP 3w

nothing can get through to these people lol

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Anonymous #2 3w

i can apply the exact same statement! 🥰

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Anonymous #3 3w

Girl all you say is buzzword buzzword buzzword, you sound like a Fox News host. Given what you’re talking about and how you’re talking about, that’s probably where you got your opinion from

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Anonymous OP 3w

assumptions aren't cute, especially when they are inaccurate.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Dumbass your whole argument is based on assumptions while data literally contradicts you.

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Anonymous OP 3w

name calling? yikes. when name calling arises, it's a clear indicator the person has no argument to give.

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Anonymous #3 3w

I’m not gonna treat you with respect if you’re gonna act all high and mighty, and what I had just said to you still stands true. You know that, so you didn’t acknowledge it.

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Anonymous #3 3w

This is ignorant im ngl, im open to with parental consent from the age of 16 like most other consent to medical care for minors. This is common sense, based on preexisting laws, the experiences of trans people, and the experiences of detransitioners I have personally spoken too.

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Anonymous OP 3w

i've already addressed the stats previously, a few times actually. you think i'm acting high and mighty because i disagree? i'm not. i'm providing an alternative perspective that many, many share — trans individuals included. i'm not going to apologize for the way i articulate. if you take it poorly, that's because of bias.

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Anonymous #4 3w

it's not ignorant. you think it's ignorant because you disagree. your argument is better based than others, but i disagree for all the aforementioned reasons, as do many others (including trans individuals).

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he legitimately said he cheated lol youre funny

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Hitler also gained power what’s your point?

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Anonymous #3 3w

You’re basing your argument on the comment sections of content. A 16 year old is more than capable of making an informed decision about their medical transition, it’s between them their parents and their doctors. As it is for all of medical things involving minors. I don’t see how this is any different.

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Anonymous #3 3w

You saying “including trans individuals” is like when white people say some racist shit but then say they’re not racist because they have black friends. I say this to say: if your opinion for how trans people should live their life was to be a commonly shared belief by trans people, then you wouldn’t be trying so desperately hard to make everyone else believe that by constantly mentioning other trans people agree with you.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Black people say racist shit as well as

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Anonymous #5 3w

Well no shit Sherlock it’s just being said as a comparison.

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Anonymous #4 3w

i'm not basing my argument on comments from content. that's laughable. a 16 year old is more informed than a 10 year old, but they are still a developing child going through massive changes; people push to ban 16 year olds getting married where it's still legal — why? we don't see doctors pushing plastic surgery on minors, do we? no. that's a surgery received as an adult.

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Anonymous OP 3w

given this comment, i think you live in an echo chamber, if you don't see that what i'm sharing is a competing, popular belief. i haven't harped on the statement of "including trans individuals" much; their opinions matter just as much as yours and everyone else's. just because they don't agree with you doesn't invalidate their experience or belief.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Hormone replacement therapy isn’t a surgery, And yeah a 16 year old is still a developing child, forcing them to transition as an adult pushes out that development track, giving them the space and room to change medically while still under guidance of a parent is an invaluable thing that people who have to wait miss out on.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Girl your “competing, popular belief” is clearly in the minority here considering no one agrees with you.

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Wow you are fucking stupid

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Anonymous OP 3w

yak is an echo chamber like reddit. good try, tho!

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Anonymous #3 3w

I can tell you are VERY familiar with Reddit

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Anonymous #4 3w

hormone replacement or blockers is still a medical transition, the starting point, regardless if it's a surgery. requiring them to wait to transition as an adult does not push out that developmental track — the opposite actually occurs. waiting two years from 16 to 18 is not far from middle ground.

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Anonymous OP 3w

i can tell you enjoy making baseless accusations. you should fix that habit.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Given our conversation it’s all but guaranteed that you’re a Redditor

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Anonymous OP 3w

you couldn't be more wrong. you really should take my advice and avoid baseless accusations. it'll be a great habit to curb! :D

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Anonymous #3 3w

Man you just say dumbass thing after dumbass thing. How you gon look at statistics and go “hmm. These facts are wrong.”

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Anonymous #6 3w

i see critical thinking skills & logic and reasoning are lacking in yet another user. surprise, surprise. sweet dreams darling! <3

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Anonymous #3 3w

Girl you are literally going against the facts??? How are you so convinced we’re all stupid for recognizing literal evidence

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Anonymous #6 3w

Anyways trans healthcare is healthcare, trans rights are human rights, and you gotta be a colossal asshole to genuinely think stripping people of their healthcare is a good idea

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Anonymous #6 3w

Ate that person up

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Anonymous #6 3w

convinced? it's called logic and reasoning. critical thinking. perhaps those areas weren't formed well enough for you in school. you're making a straw man argument concerning healthcare. given your second comment, we're not going to agree, so it's pointless to converse. sweet dreams darling! <3

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Anonymous #3 3w

Hello? I’m speaking from personal experience and the experiences of friends who were allowed to. You’re just wrong, and blocking other people from making those informed decisions is more harmful than it is to just make sure it’s highly regulated

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Anonymous #3 3w

Trust me those two years sucked more than any part of my transition

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You literally can! The ven diagram of Hitler’s rise to power and trump is a mf CIRCLE!

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Anonymous #4 3w

i'm sorry you've dealt with that, and i'm glad you're doing better. my stance remains.

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Anonymous #3 3w

#3 go choke on a fat one

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Anonymous OP 3w

you've been prayed for! God Bless you! ❤️

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Anonymous #3 3w

I claim all the negative energy and am sending it right to you ❤️❤️❤️

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Anonymous #3 3w

Now go back to your Bible study circle jerk or whatever it was you were doing before you decided to share such a fuckass opinion that no one agrees with. Clearly you got into college bc of daddy’s money or something bc you’re about as smart as that OU essay girl.

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Anonymous OP 3w

so many baseless accusations. you are filled with such anger, i hope you get it checked out.

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If you don’t see it, you’re evidently too young, or too ignorant, to be part of this conversation… probably to vote too. But that’s ok… you’ll understand when your brain fully develops.

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Anonymous #3 3w

Your stance is reasonable but why are you treating it differently than other kinds of healthcare? There really isn’t many people who detransition. There may have been more in a certain generation but the way people approach the topic in youth has developed a lot over the last decade

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Anonymous #3 3w

At least I’m not hiding my distain behind clearly passive aggressive remarks.

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Anonymous #1 3w

what's up with all the baseless accusations? it's best to not assume incorrect information about someone just because they don't share your view. advice you should take.

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Anonymous #3 3w

For someone who’s advocating for the party of hate, you try awfully hard to appear as though you love everyone when clearly that is not true. If it was, you’d realize this whole conversation is not your place to speak as you know nothing of what a trans person’s life is like.

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Anonymous #4 3w

The government should have no part in it. It’s between the trans person, the education of their doctors and psychologists, and their parents. I shouldn’t have had an intensely personal medical thing blocked by my government. That was an infringement on my bodily autonomy that directly harmed me. Do you know how it feels to have the government do that to you?

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Anonymous #2 3w

uh no he did not?💀

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The way you got pressed over someone calling racist people pieces of shit… like I just KNOW you don’t play about Charli Kirk or KKK rallies. You probably still believe in segregation.

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Did he really win though...?

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Anonymous #10 3w

You shouldn’t be treated different because of your political views, every good parent taught their children this

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Anonymous #7 3w

i mean he didn't outright say it because he can barely string a sensical sentence together but if you read between the lines yes. plus if you think paying people to vote is ok, yikes.

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Anonymous #10 3w

to be embarrassed

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Anonymous OP 3w

No matter who voted who, you are clearly such a lowlife, it’s actually so sad. So much anger and assumptions. Grow tf up

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Anonymous #3 3w

“I’m sorry you were impacted by the shitty policies I support however I still support them and don’t mind that people suffer for it” I wish you many misfortunes. I hope you stub your toe, bite your tongue when you chew, and your computer crashes right when you’re about to finish something important

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Anonymous #3 3w

Dawg I don’t believe in gender affirming care for minors and even I think trump is a fucking dumb ass lol

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Anonymous #2 3w

Isn’t that what Biden did? Weren’t there an insanely high number of voters compared to any other year when he got elected?

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Anonymous #14 3w

smh love the whattaboutism. i'm not necessarily saying he didn't cheat but there is research that was done on why he gained so many more votes. this includes the fact that one-in-four 2020 voters (25%) had not voted in 2016, only 2% of voters voted green party in 2020 compared to 6% in 2016 and many of them voted for biden and other factors, i think overall people weren't happy with trump during his first term and COVID also had a big effect on how people voted

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Anonymous #2 3w

those stats were taken from the pew research center, forgot to include that

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Anonymous #2 3w

election interference played part. it's documented that the biden administration had social media platforms ban and hide legit new stories about his son, and promote fake new stories concerning trump's affiliation with russia.

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Anonymous #3 3w

not saying i don't believe you but what are your sources for that claim?

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Anonymous #2 3w

the extensive white house report, ground news, independent people like Wolves & Finance and Amir Odom.

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Anonymous #3 3w

interesting, i'll have to look into that... but the question of biden cheating really doesn't have anything to do with the question of trump cheating, which he probably did. in any case, our election system definitely needs a full overhaul, it's no longer serving this country well. personally i'd advocate for ranked choice voting 🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous #2 3w

i agree. either of them cheating are separate matters. however, where can i find information on trump allegedly cheating during the election? i'd like to look into it as i do find that difficult to believe, simply due to the media's agenda against him. i think folks forget Tulsi & Trump were liberals before becoming republican — the media loves them until they don't.

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