Anonymous #1 6d

I’ll agree with that, but WW2 for example only has a historical context of about 20 years, and understanding that context leads me to be confident in saying that the Allies were justified in their actions. IP has about 150 years of history to it and has so many layers that for every injustice you can point to an equal and opposite one that predates it.

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Anonymous #2 5d

Correct, and Ashkenazi Jews were living there since the first Aliyah, in 1872 (you could argue as early as 1820 in Jaffa). ‘Palestine’ as an independent Arabic state has existed for as long as Israel has; nebulously from 1947-1948 (the 1948 Palestinian War complicates claiming a definitive creation date). I agree with you. Israel is bad. So is Palestine. If you think either of these states are ‘better’ than the other, once again, you lack historical context.

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Anonymous OP 5d

You seem like the type to side with the white Afrikaner’s in South Africa who supported apartheid.

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Anonymous #2 5d

A ludicrous comparison, considering the ANC didn’t advocate for, and attempt several times, the extermination of all Afrikaaners.

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Anonymous OP 5d

But that’s what Israel is doing to Palestine, an open air prison is prison nonetheless and if you Israel is in the right, I just know you probably believed in apartheid.

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Anonymous #2 5d

I literally have not claimed ‘Israel is in the right’. Actually read my posts if you are going to argue against me. Israel is just as bad as the Palestinian states. Yes, Israel is trying to ethnic cleanse Palestine just like how Palestine, especially Hamas (though Fatah is no less guilty) is trying to ethnically cleanse Israel. They are both bad. The difference is that Israel has the military capacity to affect its goals more readily.

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Anonymous OP 5d

All you do is play devils advocate, a basic ass contrarian is what you are simple in mind and brain. Israel would not be there if not for countries gathering to give land that didn’t belong to them away. Imagine countries gathering in your behalf to divvy up your property without your involvement and the handout acceptors deciding we need the rest of your property and you have no say and you need to be gone.

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Anonymous #2 5d

Didn’t belong to them? According to whom? Britain was legally in possession of Mandatory Palestine as per international agreement in 1920, but deferred it to the United Nations who passed Resolution 181 with the required 2/3rds supermajority vote. If that’s not as legal a creation of a new state can be I literally don’t know what could be. Instead of resorting to ad hominem, actually debate my points instead of strawmanning my arguments.

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Anonymous OP 5d

Legal possession after taking from the Ottoman Empire in 1917/18 battle of Megiddo, but the empire which was ceasing to exist as it ended in 1922. Only further adding to conflict of the Middle East. Once again Britain only pulled out because as decision lets give the portion of the land to create Israel but why not give a portion of the loser of wwii’s land. Why didn’t they just allocate portions of land of Germany and Austria to the fleeing people why ship them to the Middle East.

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Anonymous #2 5d

Because of the Balfour Declaration? The existence of a widespread Zionist movement? The already existing Jewish settlements in Palestine? The fact that most Jews probably did not want to live in the state that had just been eradicating them for the past 6 years? It’s no secret that even before WW2 Britain was planning on releasing Mandatory Palestine, but the Holocaust really changed the dynamics of absolutely everything. It ultimately wasn’t Britain who decided to establish Israel, it was the

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Anonymous OP 5d

UN who were persuaded by prominent Jewish Zionists to create Israel. If anything, Britain was opposed because of the widespread Jewish resistance to the White Papers.

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