Anonymous #1 2d

Demonizing minorities to create division, throwing people into vans and sending them off to camps with no due process, fabricating crime statistics to militarize police, censoring opposing voices, promising to make the country “great again” and using nationalism to evoke disdain for foreign countries. I mean, did you watch any of Charlie Kirk’s funeral? That wasn’t a funeral, it was a rally.

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Anonymous #4 2d

How

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Anonymous OP 2d

According to your comment to 1- it’s fascist to have borders. It’s fascist to enforce rule of law. I’m not sure where you’re getting camps from but people here illegally don’t get due process, they have no legal ties to the us and are not supposed to be here so they are deported. Funding the police does not equal militarising the police. Both sides are censoring opposing voices it’s not anything new. The slogan and nationalism are not telling of fascism itself. I will say maga is populist but-

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Anonymous #4 2d

Not comparable to Nazi Germany

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Anonymous #4 2d

I think more moderates and non maga republicans wouldn’t argue with you if you called him a populist but you discredit your argument automatically by comping them to Nazis

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Anonymous #4 2d

You lost me at illegal immigrants not deserving due process. How the fuck do you know they’re illegal without due process? You don’t. Get in the van.

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Anonymous OP 2d

There’s actually records of most of them as they enter the country. They’re supposed to appear for an asylum hearing and most of them don’t show up. This is a problem that was aggravated by Biden’s catch and release policy. And there are ways to check it’s called having papers

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Anonymous #4 1d

So how do you know if they skipped their Asylum hearing and don’t have their papers without due process? And you’ve got to be kidding yourself if you think “both sides are censoring opposing voices.” Biden never claimed that “lies” about him weren’t free speech.

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Anonymous OP 1d

I know people who work at the border- a lot of people don’t show up the the asylum hearings but if you don’t want to believe that then that’s really not my problem. We know because they literally don’t show up. And again, if you don’t want to believe censorship happens on both sides then that’s your problem I’m not going to sit here and do your research for you

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Anonymous #4 1d

That’s great. I never said I don’t believe that. I asked how authorities are supposed to know if someone skipped their hearings without due process? You know how police can check to see if you have a warrant out when they’re detaining you? Seems like that part is getting skipped.

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Anonymous #4 1d

What a lazy cop out on the censorship argument.

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Anonymous OP 1d

There are digital records I think. From my understanding when people come over through non official points of entry they are usually picked up by ICE and under Biden they were given a stipend and phone and a court hearing date and it’s entered into a system so all parties know. Then they are released and disappear and don’t show for the date which results in a FTA charge. Since they are not citizens though and courts are backed up because of that they are deported.

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Anonymous OP 1d

They banned Trump from twitter/ social media on his first term and several conservative content has been taken down. And and believe google admitted to taking money to remove stuff in Trump during election season and push the dem candidates

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Anonymous #4 1d

Sorry, that’s no excuse to just kidnap people that authorities think MIGHT be an illegal immigrant. Like I keep saying, this information all still has to be verified. Sorry but it’s absurd to say citizenship is a requirement for due process. This is supposed to be the land of the free with liberty and justice for ALL. Not people born here by accident of birth.

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Anonymous #4 1d

TWITTER banned Trump after he lied about winning an election he lost and tried to usurp the Presidency. TWITTER did that. It wasn’t a decision made my anyone in politics.

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Anonymous #4 1d

The fact that you even had to look this up debunks your argument. It’s not about warrants. It’s about verifying the fact that they really are violating immigration laws.

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Anonymous OP 1d

For some reason it wouldn’t let me reply with the picture but warrants are not required for illegal immigrants. And yes land of the free for people who have legal status there’s a really easy way to fix that and it’s coming here legally and having a paper trail to protect you. If you want to visit a grade school you have to go in through the front office, check in and have a valid reason to be there or they don’t let you in. If you just come in through a side door you are escorted out

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Anonymous OP 1d

Why should a country be any different?

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Anonymous OP 1d

This is why I didn’t want to have this conversation with you

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Anonymous #4 1d

Oh my God, you are dense. It’s not about warrants or not. Having a warrant out for your arrest still does not excuse your right to due process. My point is you need due process to even figure out if the person is an illegal immigrant.

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Anonymous OP 1d

It doesn’t debunk my argument I was verifying so I didn’t spread misinformation. You could benefit from doing the same tbh

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Anonymous #4 1d

Then why are you still replying to me

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Anonymous OP 1d

Coming in through a non port of entry and failure to appear are obvious violation of laws

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Anonymous #4 1d

And how do you verify that the person broke said laws genius?

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Anonymous OP 1d

And I’m saying you don’t need a warrant for illegal immigrants and no due process they shouldn’t be here why should my tax dollars go to a whole court appearance do you know how long those take?

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Anonymous OP 1d

Because the other conversations is interesting

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Anonymous #4 1d

Dude there’s no way to even know what your specific tax dollars are being spent on. What a stupid excuse to have no empathy. You need due process to verify what immigration laws they are breaking.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Like I said it’s digital

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Anonymous OP 1d

Not having papers is a violation of laws I don’t need a judge to tell me that. Legal immigrants get due process because they are allowed to be here. Besides the hat part of ILLEGAL immigrants is so ambiguous?

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Anonymous #4 1d

Yes. Very good. Most public records are. Now, can you tell me how you’re supposed to tie someone you’re arresting to said records?

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Anonymous #4 1d

Honestly how can you be so oblivious to the slippery slope you’re arguing in favor of? Where’s YOUR papers? You don’t have any? Oh, you have an ID? Cool, I’m calling it fake. Get in the van!

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Anonymous OP 1d

Well they don’t show up to their court date

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Anonymous OP 1d

They know where most of them live since the gov was paying for their housing

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Anonymous #4 1d

Now you’re just generalizing. Having a warrant out, missing a court date, connecting you to illegal immigration status…..being arrested for any of those things still requires due process.

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Anonymous OP 1d

My drivers license my passport my military id? They have green cards/ permission to reside that they are required to carry on them at all times. If I go to another country, for example Thailand, I MUST have my passport on me at all times or I can be detained and guess what they don’t need a warrant

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Anonymous #4 1d

Nor do they need to give me a court hearing date. I get a call to the us embassy but will most likely either be held in prison or deported

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Anonymous #4 1d

It doesn’t matter. If illegal immigrants don’t get due process, then there’s not much stopping a cop from calling you one and deciding they don’t believe any of your identification is real.

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Anonymous OP 1d

I think we may have a different definition on due process, can you clarify if you mean a court hearing and trial?

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Anonymous OP 1d

There are ways to check if an id is real I think you’re being awfully cynical towards law enforcement

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Anonymous #4 1d

That is part of it. The Government must give people a chance to defend themselves in a fair hearing before infringing on their rights.

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Anonymous OP 1d

They must give citizens and people with legal status a chance to hear. The government is not infringing of rights of people who are not supposed to be here by sending them back to their country of origin. If they did that to people with legal status that would be a different argument.

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Anonymous OP 1d

In an ideal world I would agree with you. But courts hearings are very costly and there’s such a back up in hearing dates some asylum hearings are 1+ years out. You can blame that partially on the low number of judges we have. But we have also opened our borders to everyone and their mom. We live in a world of states and borders and its important to respect and maintain borders until we can find a better system

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Anonymous #4 1d

Due process is how they figure out if they’re an illegal immigrant or not. It ensures authorities aren’t acting without proper legal justification. Without it, they can just call anyone an illegal immigrant and kidnap anyone that looks too “foreign.” I don’t know how this isn’t making sense to you. Your notion that due process is reserved for citizens only is not only made up but rooted in prejudice.

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Anonymous #4 1d

Who the fuck cares how backed up courts are? That’s no excuse to deny someone on this land their right to due process.

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Anonymous #4 1d

Law enforcement will find any and every reason to fuck you. You don’t seem to realize how vulnerable you are when they decide to charge you with something.

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Anonymous OP 1d

You and I are just gonna have to disagree on this one. You have a very positive look on humanity and I respect that. But I have a positive outlook on law enforcement and authority and I think you can respect that is my opinion as well

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Anonymous #4 23h

Yeah sorry, I don’t. Cops are assholes. You shouldn’t give them the benefit of a doubt. They can ruin your life for just looking at them.

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