Anonymous #1 2d

i dont care because im not talking about the original story im talking about disneys adaptation. everyone knows that rapunzel. that rapunzel is white

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Anonymous OP 2d

So you don’t care about the actual origins of the story so why do you care if they change it. Roger and Hammerstein gave us a black Cinderella with an Asian (I believe he was Filipino) prince with a black mom and white dad which wouldn’t birth an Asian. You are missing the point that clearly originals don’t matter because Disney has never stay true to the telling of Grimm brothers stories.

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Anonymous #1 2d

correct, originals dont matter, that was my point. its a hot take group. you dont have to agree😂

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Anonymous OP 2d

this isn’t a hot take it’s lukewarm; hair can be colored(dyed) but thick and full hair is hard to fake.

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Anonymous #1 2d

Go to Persia today..many people are white in fact

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Anonymous #2 2d

Can’t go to Persia considering it hasn’t existed since 1935. . . Modern day Iran is what you are looking for which is in Asia. And no most Iranians are not pale like Europeans they are still quite tanner, even tanner than Greeks.

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Anonymous #1 2d

Persia is simply the Latinized/Greek name for its native name, Iran. Also that's a hella assumption. "pale like Europeans" assumes Europeans are uniformly pale. They are not. Also paleness doesn't define race ; in fact nothing defines race. But genetically, Persians/Iranians are closer to Europeans than distance implies.

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Anonymous #2 2d

It's just like how people call Montenegro Montenegro instead of its native name, Crnagora. People just switched to calling Persia by its native name, Iran in the mid 20th century

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Anonymous #2 2d

How is it hella an assumption, don’t play dumb in my comment. You gonna be there and type that Europeans aren’t pale, mfs from Ireland to the UK, from France to Germany, from Poland to the Netherlands. You really gonna say Iranians are whiter than them, really bffr.

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Anonymous #2 2d

I’m from the U.S to further explain my, your race is based on your phenotypical presentation that is a U.S classification. That’s why ethnicity and nationality are factors, ugh. Persians/Iranians are closer to Caucasian for term being closer to the Caucasus mountains right on the edge. But we use Caucasian to really lump whites from Europe together.

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Anonymous #1 2d

My dad is full English and my Persian hairstylist is whiter than he is

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Anonymous #2 2d

I bet he’s got the teeth to back it up. You see how I can just make any claim, because it’s an app and anyone can just say anything. I’m the queen Sheba.

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Anonymous #2 2d

Also no people in Iran always called their land Iran outsiders called them Persia and finally said okay I guess we’ll call you what you want to be called. Iranians never called themselves Persians it was a name places on them Greeks or the western people.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Yeah… nah. Shahnameh is wholly unrelated to the Rapunzel story with the exception of a long haired woman. The actual origin of the Rapunzel story lies in Petrosinella, which is Italian. Also Persians ARE white.

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Anonymous #5 1d

Persians aren’t white, also long haired woman whose hair was used as a ladder for a lover to climb, shahameh.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Except it wasn’t. Zāl used a rope he brought to her palace to climb over the wall to be with Rudabah. If we’re counting that as being similar enough to the Rapunzel archetype, we can find plenty of other older stuff that’s close enough as well; Greek myths in particular were fond of having women locked up in towers, and later Christian folk stories took inspiration for these. The Shahnameh had little to no influence on the Petrosinella which is the actual origin of the Rapunzel story.

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Anonymous #1 1d

In addition, Persians are considered white by the United States census and essentially any other metric that actually matters, so you’re wrong on that account as well.

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Anonymous #5 1d

Persians are not a thing anymore not since 1935 let’s use the correct terms Iranians, technically are Asian because the country resides on the continent of Asia. They only claim white because of a 1910’s court case where a middle eastern man said if I’m not white then Jesus is not white because he originated from where I am. White people rather admit Middle Eastern are white than not because they won’t admit Jesus is not white.

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Anonymous #5 1d

But it was I’m not arguing with you on this, and if it was Italian first okay how many Italians say they are not white. Italians only became white by u.s metrics since you want to us that in the 1940’s and 1950’s, so it still wouldn’t be a white lady by that metric. If wanna say the woman is Italian.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Persia is the historically accurate term for both the ethnicity and nationality of Ferdowsi, so… no? Who gives a shit if it’s in Asia? They clearly do not share a phenotype with East Asians, anymore than Libyans share a phenotype with Subsaharan Africans. They’re closer genetically, phenotypically, and culturally to white Europeans than they are to East Asians. Also Italians aren’t white? Be so fucking for real dude lmao. You’re grasping for straws here, just own up and admit you were wrong.

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Anonymous #5 1d

Italians weren’t considered white at one point did you know that, I bet you didn’t. Go and look it up I’ll wait. Yes but Asian nonetheless, south Asians and southeast Asian are two different types of Asian but still Asian.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Rapunzel isn’t Italian. The first story in the Rapunzel archetype is Petrosinella, sure, but the Rapunzel story that the movie is based on is the Brother’s Grimm story. There’s like four degrees of separation there. Ultimately it’s a German story featuring a German heroine, however you wanna slice that cake.

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Anonymous #5 1d

Don’t evade the question were Italians always considered white yes or no, the answer is no but I need you to find it for yourself.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Yes I’m well aware of WASP discrimination. They thought the fucking IRISH weren’t white. What’s your point? That they actually aren’t because scientific racists in the 1800s wanted to distinguish between national identities? Correct. South Asians are genetically distinct from East Asians, and Middle Easterners, generally speaking, are distinct from them as well.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Look, I can pull up genetic data, millennia worth of historical and cultural interactions, or just the fact that every reputable organization on the planet disagrees with you, but you’re so convinced in your self-delusion that it doesn’t matter. You are OBJECTIVELY incorrect. You are FACTUALLY wrong according to sociologists, anthropologists, and geneticists. I still fail to see how this has any bearing on the RAPUNZEL story from the Brother’s Grimm though. Keep moving those goalposts.

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Anonymous #5 1d

No but you just said I was wrong when I said they weren’t always considered white. So if the story is off the Italian version in your mind then she isn’t white, so brothers Grimm ripped off a story, Disney is ripping off their story. Why does Disney have to do a white woman and not a woman with a subtle tan with long hair.

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Anonymous #5 1d

And it wasn’t the 1800’s it was the early 1900’s and then those same idiots if they don’t classify them as white they become a minority, so that’s why Greeks, Italians, Irish and middle eastern were adopted as white.

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Anonymous #1 1d

I didn’t say you were wrong in that they weren’t historically considered white, I said you were wrong because you seem to believe that Italians aren’t white. They are. Historical prejudices aside. It is a German character in a German story, and even if they were to directly adapt her as an Italian she’d still be white (Italians are white), but yeah no shit the Brother’s Grimm weren’t the original? They were collecting random folk stories (in this case Rapunzel was from Schulz’s Little Novels).

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Anonymous #5 1d

Not moving goal posts, you don’t actually about this shit man, gtfo my comment. I’m not convinced in any delusion. I fully believe Italians are white, Iranians no I’d go so far to actually says Caucasian technically because they are a part of that region of the Caucasian. But the story isn’t originally a German girl, what’s the matter if someone with a subtle tan but nice hair does it most of the hair will be cgi anyways.

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Anonymous #1 1d

*region of caucus mountains

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Anonymous #5 1d

And at the time Grimm brother would’ve took their inspiration of the story from the Italians the girl wouldn’t have been white.

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Anonymous #1 1d

The classification of Italians as non-white originated in the 1800s. It’s a moot point because phenotypically and genetically they are basically the same as every other European, sharing mostly the same haplogroups. The same is true of Middle Easterners. That’s why on modern U.S censuses, no distinction is made between European ethnic groups OR MENA individuals. They are BIOLOGICALLY similar.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Caucasians are white. The majority of modern day Iranians don’t live anywhere near the Caucasus mountains (they live in the Iranian plateau), but even if they did, how would that NOT make them white? Caucasian people are white. So white that Europeans originally thought that was where white people originated (Caucasian migration theory). What’s your point?

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Anonymous #1 1d

In 1812? In 1812 Italians were still considered white. It wasn’t until the waves of immigration in the late 1800s that they were reclassified as not being white. And once again the Brother’s Grimm got their inspiration from Friedrich Schulz, who got his inspiration from a 1600s French version, who got their inspiration from Petrosinella, which is from the 1460s.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Also to hit on this, yes and no. Persia is ultimately derived from an older endonym, Pārsa. It is true that Ēran was commonly used as an endonym by the period of Ferdowsi, however, common English historical parlance is to refer to pre-modern Iran as Persia, or the particular state it was known as at the time.

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Anonymous #5 1d

Have you seems the new fasfa, asking what kind of white you are don’t start with me. Idc man it ain’t real it’s story, no woman has ever let her hair down for a man to climb up.

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Anonymous #5 1d

Why is what they call someone more important than what someone calls themselves?

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Anonymous #1 1d

Because that’s just common parlance. I call Nazi “Germany” Germany, not Deutschland. And it’s just the way that historical parlance is used. It’s a way of differentiating between modern Iran and historical Persia. Don’t ask me I’m not the one who devised it.

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Anonymous #5 1d

No nazi germany was a particular time in Germany no longer exists just like the confederate states of America is a particular time in America we don’t have that anymore, cause if we did would’ve ran it back again.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Okay so if the live action version casted a POC then it would again be an adaptation. Use your same logic, not just when it suits your narrative.

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Anonymous #3 1d

yes long blonde hair

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Anonymous #1 1d

Fun fact the Aztecs were actually did not call themselves called the Aztecs. the word they used is mexica (meh-shee-ka), but when some historians were talking about their history in the early 1900s it became an issue because they’d be talking about the Mexican people, which is already a thing. The Aztecs said they came from a place called aztlan, which is where they got Aztec from.

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Anonymous #7 1d

Yeah, with the Aztecs it’s kinda complicated. Aztlan supposedly was like kinda an endonym? But not really a relevant one? It was tied to their mythological origins, so it’d kind of be like referring to Romans as Trojans (via Aeneas), except there’s reason to believe that the nobles titled themselves after Aztlan, so maybe when asked ‘who ruled these lands’, non Mexica tribes responded with essentially ‘the nobility’?

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Anonymous #7 1d

Another hypothesis is that Aztec broadly applied to all the tribes in that region and was a way of collectivizing them. Essentially like if we referred to ancient Sparta as ‘Greek’ and then ‘Greek’ came to be synonymous with specifically Spartans. (Unironically enough this would mean that modern Greece would be known as Sparta, if we’re using the Mexica-Aztec comparison).

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Anonymous OP 16h

I’m convinced u can’t read I did NOT say that

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