Anonymous #2 10h

I don’t answer for my “ilk” and I’m not blaming the “yes means yes/no means no” women. I only date those women who communicate like adults and I dont take hints of any kind and don’t try to read women’s minds. But it is a FACT that the ilk are taking their orders from the “yes and no both mean maybe” crowd (which doesnt excuse it) and that is the greatest tool and cover of predatory behavior. Anyone (m or f) who sincerely cares about rape culture would begin with not being part of the problem.

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Anonymous #3 10h

Oh yeah, men started all of this crap millennia ago. But we’re ALL responsible for maintaining it. Or choosing to do better. Yes, slut shaming and its historical consequences are another huge and related obstacle to women’s ability to discuss their experiences with any credibility. Anyone still hypocritically demonizing consensual sex and denigrating other sexually active people for having it are accomplices. It makes women less safe and we should all be calling each out on it every time.

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Anonymous OP 10h

me highkey agreeing

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Anonymous #4 9h

Doesn’t MAKE them, but how can you say it doesn’t encourage it? I’ve gotten texts from women confused about why I didn’t fuck them and I have to say “bc I tried to get a straight answer out of you all night and when I got one it was no” and then they say something like “ok but still, I thought we were gonna. Dont u like me” Not every predator thinks he’s Roman Polanski. But almost every one thinks he’s been THAT guy. If that kind of messaging doesn’t encourage it, idk what would.

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Anonymous OP 9h

That sounds oddly similar to the ‘they’re asking for it’ line. Idc what the woman is implying. If she doesn’t say yes, then it’s a no.

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Anonymous #4 9h

Who cares what it looks similar to? Look at what I’m actually saying. It doesn’t excuse the behavior of predators to acknowledge those urging them on. If a woman stands on a rooftop and shouts “commit sexual harassment! Trust me, she DOES totally want it, don’t listen to her!” and a guy obeys and attacks some other woman, HE is still a criminal and is 100% responsible. But I still think the woman on the megaphone should put it down. Do you think that’s wrong of me?

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Anonymous #4 8h

Also ur assuming I’m blaming victims for all this bad messaging. Women arent a hive mind and I dont assume victims and accomplices are the same group. Someone can be the best communicator in the world and still be a victim because some asshole is convinced that her no was insincere. But if we care to assign blame for rape culture, I still say we should consider who exactly convinced him of that? I’m not blaming the victim, but rather ppl who care more about their mindgames than others’ safety.

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Anonymous OP 5h

Wow what a nothing burger. All of those words and for what? I really don’t care if a woman is screaming that stuff from the rooftops. If a man does that to her, he’s a rapist. And assigning blame anywhere else *is* victim blaming. No, I don’t think she should stop shouting all of that. Just how I don’t think women should have to avoid getting drunk in public or dress more modestly.

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Anonymous #5 1h

Ignore the fact that I said rape culture twice ☠️

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Anonymous #4 7m

If you think there’s nothing at all wrong with directly urging men to commit sex crimes, i think you’re just zeroed in on winning the argument and I question your sincerity. When that story broke about the “rapeacademy” group chat where MEN were encouraging each other to do so, you were probably as outraged as everyone else. That wasn’t “victim blaming”; they weren’t victims. If nobody bears any responsibility for encouraging others’ crimes, then rape culture is a meaningless concept entirely.

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