Anonymous #1 7w

Im not even the same person who posted the original post, I just see the ai slop image and it reminds me of this image cuz I was high asf lol

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Anonymous #6 7w

If you aren’t using AI to radicalize yourself, wtf are you using it for?

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Anonymous #6 7w

Downvotes inbound. Sorry you guys are controlled by fear.

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Anonymous #6 7w

Show some of your work

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Anonymous #2 7w

Turn on your DMs

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Anonymous #6 7w

Why

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Anonymous #2 7w

Because you are going into this with assumptions about me and I would rather keep this civil.

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Anonymous #6 7w

Why can’t you comment here?

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Anonymous #2 7w

Because I’m willing to let you see my art but not when you want to see it out of malice.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Turn on your DMs and I’ll send you a link.

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Anonymous #6 7w

No, I’m not following a random link. Either post your art here or I call bs that you’re actually an artist and not just a ragebaiter

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Anonymous #2 7w

I have more than 3 million streams across spotify, apple music, youtube, etc btw and I have been established in my genre for about 5 years now. I do my own production, mixing, mastering, cover art, music videos, and promo and I have worked with other prominent artists in our scene. I’m not nobody.

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Anonymous #2 7w

You’re gonna hate it because it’ll make you uncomfortable

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Anonymous #6 7w

Cool, what’s your name/artist name?

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Anonymous #2 7w

Do you like being compared to cockroaches?

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Anonymous #6 7w

Ok so you’re a ragebaiter👍

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Anonymous #2 7w

I’m a polymath but okay

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Anonymous #6 7w

This is one of your works?

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Anonymous #2 7w

What do you think?

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Anonymous #6 7w

Is this one of your works?

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Anonymous #2 7w

Of course it is

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Anonymous #2 7w

You wanna see more?

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Anonymous #2 7w

AI cannot do what I do. That’s why I don’t use it for the parts it can’t do.

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Anonymous #2 7w

People love to act like they love art until artists do their job of comforting the disturbed and disturbing the comfortable.

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Anonymous #6 7w

Ok, your artist name’s deltavolt? Are you @deltavoltmusic on insta?

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Anonymous #2 7w

yes

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Anonymous #2 7w

I love going on trial for strangers who don’t believe in the presumption of innocence. It’s really good character building to know that the past 5 years of my work could be deemed “slop” by someone who knows nothing of my process!

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Anonymous #6 7w

I just DM’d that account on insta asking if you are who you claim you are

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Anonymous #2 7w

For anyone else reading, I’ve confirmed that this is him

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As for the music writing stage, he said (in insta dms) he basically uses it for critique, not in creation. Idk about the rest

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Anonymous #2 7w

For anyone else reading, #2 dmed me on instagram and when I replied there he still didn't believe it was me, and even worse he left me on read after I tied in Deleuze's assemblages and Quijano's coloniality of power into my rather firm position on creation in general. No comment at all or even any questions. Very disappointing.

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Anonymous #6 7w

I just didn’t want to talk anymore, you said yourself it was getting late and you needed to go to bed so I didn’t push it any further. Also it wasn’t that I didn’t believe you, I just wanted a straight yes this is me or no this isn’t me and you weren’t giving one

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Anonymous #2 7w

I don’t really like talking about nuanced things over messages, it’s hard for me to understand what the other person means and what they’re thinking if I can’t see their face, hear their voice, or try to read any other body language. It’s also easy for points to pile one on top of the other on top of the other on top of the other and it starts to overwhelm me

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Anonymous #2 7w

I use as more than just to critique to my music. I use it to critique my entire worldview, which is essentially the core of creation in general. The failure to treat creation as a prostheses of ontology is precisely is what leads to the absence of meaning we are seeing. Creation is not the product of craft but rather the relationship it represents. Remember, I am not just a musician, I am a polymath. This is what I mean when I say you can't even comprehend what I'm saying.

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Anonymous #2 7w

I can't talk about nuanced things with my voice because I have ontological trauma, and defending reality with my body registers as a threat in my nervous system. Writing is the only way I can reliably get my thoughts out. I use technical and philosophical words, but I do mean the in their definitive sense, so you could use totally AI to help you understand the concepts I brought up.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Plus writing works much better for me because it gives people time to pause and respond, but that's not much use when people try to pressure writing into instantaneous reactive communication anyway. You have all the time in the world to go back and research the things I talked about. That's literally why I put them in writing.

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Anonymous #6 7w

I’m not using ai to help me understand text. That’s going to decrease my ability to do so on my own as time goes on, not to mention, at least at the moment, ai is awful for the environment and I’m not contributing to that. And I’m not saying you can’t communicate that way, I’m just saying I struggle to do so, at least conversationally. Another thing I didn’t think to bring up, I have horrible anxiety and constantly overthink things. Having the ability to pause and think about my response-

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Anonymous #2 7w

-doesn’t help when talking with someone I’m not extremely comfortable with, I just end up typing and then deleting and then typing and deleting and typing and deleting and typing and deleting until I just give up because I’ve lost confidence in what I have to say. Being in person forces me to stop overthinking so much

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Anonymous #2 7w

Again that's a governance issue. And you're making metaphysical claims.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Did you know that video streaming uses more energy than AI inference? I'm also a computer scientist btw. Your doomscrolling is much worse for the environment than asking AI to analyze an instagram dm.

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Anonymous #6 7w

Even if it is a governance issue, it’s a current issue so I’m still not using it until it’s no longer an issue

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Anonymous #2 7w

AI helps with overthinking dawg

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Anonymous #6 7w

I’m not relying on ai to think for me. I’d rather put in the effort to increase my mental capacity than offload it onto something else

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Anonymous #2 7w

Great then stay out the way so pioneers do that work for you. You could be the change you want to see but ig that's too scary

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Anonymous #2 7w

Then go read Deleuze and Quijano and get back to me

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Anonymous #2 7w

You missed my whole Deleuzian point about autonomy, culture and governance

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Anonymous #6 7w

I don’t see how I’m getting in the way. Also I’m officially at the point where I’m overwhelmed, I’m done talking

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Anonymous #2 7w

Bro come on

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Anonymous #6 7w

I literally said before when point gets piled on top of each other one after another after another I get overwhelmed. I also didn’t come here for an in depth debate, I don’t see how it’s odd that I wasn’t prepared to respond to everything

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Anonymous #2 7w

Malicious asking me to show my work to prove my worth and constantly denying my argument rather than giving me the benefit of doubt necessary to even understand in the first place is 100% getting in the way of progress. And it's exactly what I'm arguing against

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Anonymous #2 7w

Stop being so scared of AI. It can help you so much with your overthinking and lack of understanding/weak vocabulary. Half the propaganda about it is literally fearmongering to keep you submissive.

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Anonymous #6 7w

I didn’t believe you because every single other person I’ve seen online who claims to use ai to make art doesn’t actually care about art and just uses it to make a product, a pretty picture without an appreciation for what it took to make it or for how it ties into society at large. I’ve seen SO many ai bros try to shut down anti ai people using the most disrespectful and malicious methods possible, forgive me for assuming someone who claimed to use ai to make art in response to an ai meme and-

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Anonymous #2 7w

-didn’t want to show their work was just another ai bro trying to make artist’s lives harder by devaluing their work

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Anonymous #2 7w

You really like to use anecdotes. Thanks for admitting it's a problem with your ontology. That's not an excuse to demean me.

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Anonymous #6 7w

Or maybe there have been literal studies showing regular use of ai causes brain atrophy? There are many other conveniences in modern life that have done the same and that really fucking sucks, I’m not letting another newer thing take away more

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Anonymous #2 7w

Hey babe are you already forgetting my point that I already made in the dmd about atrophy?

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Anonymous #2 7w

You're so dramatic

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Anonymous #6 7w

What other anecdotes? The only anecdote I use is how I’ve seen ai bros treat artists, it’s a known thing among online artists that ai bros will often take artists’ work and feed it into ai in retaliation, it’s why I never showed any of my work despite wanting to do so to help encourage you to show yours

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Anonymous #6 7w

Fuck off, I’m actually done talking now

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Anonymous #2 7w

Muting this post and our insta convo

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Anonymous #6 7w

You are an absolutely insufferable human being. Go crawl back to your echo chamber where everyone agrees with you, you secondhand thinker

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Anonymous #1 7w

Of course I'm insufferable to you. Calling me a secondhand thinker while failing to understand my position on AI is pure cognitive dissonance that you desperately want to pin on anyone but yourself. The fact that you have nothing but insults is the tell. I take pride in disturbing your biases. But you should already know that... My job here is done. Stay mad. See what it does to you.

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Anonymous #6 7w

I simply thought the words and votes of everyone else was enough to prove my point. AI is not a mastermind, it is simply everything it has been trained on built up and divided down into one great big average of humanity. You are treating the ultimate average of humanity as some wise all-knowing authority because you don’t want to learn to do things yourself. AI doesn’t make you exemplary, it simply fills in what could have been done yourself with some average, passable bs.

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Anonymous #6 7w

What happens when everyone uses AI for advice in the future? They all create the same stuff, think the same ways, and the beautiful diversity of the creativity of humanity is killed. Learn to have some confidence in your art, pookie. I haven’t checked it out but if it’s as popular as you say it is, I’m sure you don’t need the AI.

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Anonymous #1 7w

I'm not responding to strawman arguments.

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Anonymous #6 7w

If what I’m saying is not the point, please feel free to try and explain yourself again…I must say you’re not doing a very good job at the moment 😭

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Anonymous #1 7w

Check your DMs

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Anonymous #6 7w

Why do you talk in DMs where everybody else can’t see? 😭 this is why I didn’t understand your point in the first place

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Anonymous #1 7w

I prefer to have one on one conversations where I’m not defending myself from other people jumping in and derailing me. I have a lot of familial/developmental trauma in that department.

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Anonymous #6 7w

Well trying to change people’s minds one at a time sounds hella inefficient if you ask me

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