Anonymous #3 4w

dawg there is no reason to be doing 6 sets lmao

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Anonymous #4 4w

I like it and I like how it feels😛

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Anonymous #3 4w

I don’t normally GAF if someone is working out in a way that isn’t effective, because you do you, but when you are taking up equipment in a public gym to do your dumb shit, it’s annoying. Have some courtesy, and don’t take up equipment if you’re not going to use it properly.

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Anonymous #4 4w

You really think those two extra sets makes it ineffective and qualifies it as “dumb shit”?💀get a grip bro. Using it properly has nothing to do with your lack of patience

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Anonymous #3 4w

It does qualify it as ineffective lol, it’s junk volume. You’d be better off walking away after 4 sets max, and you wouldn’t be hogging the equipment the entire time

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Anonymous #4 4w

“Hogging the equipment” how long do you think two sets takes? Maximum of two minutes between a set, 8 reps takes what? 20-25 seconds? You really turning red over an extra 5 minutes?

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Anonymous #3 4w

“maximum of 2 minutes” so you just don’t train hard either lol. And yeah, an extra 5 minutes on top of 8-10 you’re already taking is obnoxious. Push your sets harder (enough to need 3+ minutes) and maybe you won’t need to do 6 sets

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Anonymous #4 4w

😭if it takes you that long to catch your breath, do a bit more cardio. If you’re really bugging out over someone being on a piece of equipment for 10-15 minutes, you’re better off training with meditation than weights

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Anonymous #3 4w

Bro needs a full 8 hours of sleep in between each set

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Anonymous #3 4w

It’s not about catching your breath lol, it’s about letting your body recover enough to push hard on your next set. You just genuinely have no concept of courtesy and the fact that the time of other’s is just as valuable as yours. You’re also definitely small if you’re doing 6 sets with 2 minute rests lol

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Anonymous #4 4w

Small? Nah. I think I’m somewhere around 210 atm. Something tells me you’re in your mid-late 20’s, sitting around 230 and workout in sets of 3-4 reps then huff and puff staring at people who dare be in the gym at the same time as you

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Anonymous #3 4w

If that tiny window matters so much to you, why don’t you go up and ask to work in? Any gym bro would be happy to let you in

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Anonymous #3 4w

I huff and puff about people being in the game at the same time as me while I’m the one preaching courtesy? Ok buddy lol. How lean is that 210 btw?

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Anonymous #3 4w

Oh I do quite often. It’s less of a concern for me, and more of a general courtesy to all gym goers to not be there longer than you need to

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Anonymous #4 4w

Out of curiosity then, how long do you spend on a piece of equipment? Better not be more than 10 minutes. And if it takes you 3+ minutes to rest between sets, you’re looking at 2 sets max before you’re no longer being courteous

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Anonymous #3 4w

2-3 sets, 3 minutes of rest. That’s 1-2 3 minute rest periods. I’ll add in 20 seconds for each of my working sets, plus another 2 minutes for my warmup sets. That is absolute max, 10 minutes, and if I’m doing 2 working sets, it’s about 6 minutes.

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Anonymous #4 4w

Sooo your entire argument is that since you rest a full minute longer than I do, your workouts are clearly more intense and that has to be the answer, no possibility that someone else could recover faster than you or have more endurance?

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Anonymous #3 4w

Gosh those 60 seconds seem really important, I need to rework my entire perspective of working out

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Anonymous #3 4w

a 50% increase in rest time is pretty noticeable yeah, and it’s also how if you were really training hard, you wouldn’t be able to get 6 working sets lol. I’d maybe get 1-2 reps of my working weight by my 6th set if I were to do that many.

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Anonymous #4 4w

No shit, that’s why you adjust working weight, so you can maintain intensity even as your strength wanes.

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Anonymous #3 4w

So do you want me to give a snarky response, or do you want me to explain how the fact that you are lowering the working weight means you’re getting next to no stimulus from those sets?

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Anonymous #4 4w

You really load the bar with one weight, do 2-3 sets and call it a day😐boy, that and your short temper really makes your life sound fun

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Anonymous #3 4w

Yeah, cuz I want to grow as effectively as possible lol. If you’re fatigued to the point that you need to lower the weight to do a working set, then you’re never going to actually stimulate the high threshold motor units needed to signal growth. You’re basically just playing with the weight.

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Anonymous #4 4w

I think you’re confusing growth with strength. If you’re focused on strength, by all means keep doing what you’re doing. I’d rather go for hypertrophy

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Anonymous #3 4w

Hypertrophy is stimulated through mechanical tension within high threshold motor units. If you are so fatigued that you had to lower the weight, you are not activating those high threshold motor units, and are thus, not causing hypertrophy. This is entry level muscle physiology buddy. Don’t try to argue about hypertrophy when you don’t know the mechanism that causes it

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Anonymous #4 4w

AthleanX right here “reducing weight to stay in the 6-8 reps range is killing your gains”

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Anonymous #3 4w

If you’re doing so many sets that you can’t stay within your rep range with a single working weight the whole time, then you’re doing too much lol. Take a single college class. Next you’re gonna tell me that microtears cause muscle growth.

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Anonymous #4 4w

If you can do 4 sets of a weight and stay within 6-8 reps, it’s you who isn’t going intense enough

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Anonymous #3 4w

Good thing I do 2-3 sets big guy ;)

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Anonymous #4 4w

Again, strength-dominant strategy, congratulations 👏

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Anonymous #3 4w

I don’t think you understand how muscles work if you think there’s a difference between strength and hypertrophy training lol

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Anonymous #4 4w

There’s no doubt they go hand in hand for the most part but the different builds of bodybuilders versus powerlifters begs to differ in the long run

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Anonymous #3 4w

The builds are actually pretty similar, but the differences are mostly due to powerlifters never getting as lean as bodybuilders, and powerlifters not prioritizing muscles that aren’t super relevant to their lifts (powerlifters tend to have relatively underdeveloped biceps for example). You also never see a powerlifter cut down to 6% bodyfat oiled up on stage lol.

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Anonymous #3 4w

If you’d bother to take a class on muscle physiology, you’d know that the only difference in training for strength vs hypertrophy is that strength training has a much greater emphasis on practicing the technique of the lifts (barbell squat, deadlift, bench) while bodybuilders tend to opt for more stable exercises to increase motor unit recruitment (pec deck instead of bench for example) to avoid the technical demands.

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Anonymous #4 4w

Aside from the powerfatties, i think you’d notice that the majority of powerlifters are at a normal or even lean body fat percentage but a generally lower amount of muscle mass compared to bodybuilders

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Anonymous #3 4w

Recruiting stronger muscle fibers instead of increasing the amount of muscle mass

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Anonymous #3 4w

Yep, because they don’t emphasize growth for all of their muscles, just the ones needed for their lifts. They also spend more time practicing form and skill than they do focusing on growing. Your average bodybuilder will have bigger legs than your average powerlifter because the powerlifter practices the incredibly difficult skill of a barbell squat, while your bodybuilder will usually opt for a leg press or hack squat, which is going to be more effective. The difference isn’t the number of sets

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Anonymous #3 4w

The “reaching stronger muscle fibers” is a result of greater coordination with the movement, not a different in number of sets lol.

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Anonymous #4 4w

Ah yes, like for example Tom Platz, famous for… barbell squatting and also some of the greatest legs in bodybuilding

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Anonymous #3 4w

You might also consider the difference in ranges of motion, prioritizing time under tension versus full range of motion

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Anonymous #3 4w

“this guy with the most insane leg genetics in human history on enough gear to kill a horse had big legs and does squats, so it applies to everyone!” Not the argument you think it is lol. Do you also think training legs 1x a month is the best way to grow? Because he did that too.

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Anonymous #3 4w

respectfully man, if you’re trying to use time under tension as an argument, it just reinforces that you haven’t had an actual education beyond social media of how muscle growth works. TuT does literally nothing for hypertrophy or strength.

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Anonymous #4 4w

Do you really think that steroids are anything other than an enhancement of the functions applied by the body or that to be in the top 0.1% of anything you’d have to be both genetically gifted and also effective your training?

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Anonymous #3 4w

Steroids absolutely change the math of training lol. They severely affect recovery, muscle protein synthesis, endurance, etc. And no, because he literally trained legs once a month and was still that massive. Unless you’re going to claim that training a muscle once a month was also optimal, then Tom Platz isn’t a good argument for you bud.

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Anonymous #4 4w

Bi-weekly, not per monthly, while no I don’t believe that’s quite optimal, I also don’t believe that’s the regimen he followed the majority of his career. Protein synthesis, endurance, etc, are all things we already do, and are enhanced by performance ENHANCING drugs

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Anonymous #3 4w

And like I said, the math changes. If a dude is able to train legs every other week and have the biggest legs in the world, then it’s clear that he can do a lot of shit suboptimally and have huge legs. Also, “i don’t think he did that his whole career” is baseless and cope

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Anonymous #4 4w

How long have you been working out? Did your methods stay the exact same from start to finish or have they changed over time? If you really think that he trained the exact same way for his entire career, you’re full of shit

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Anonymous #3 4w

And if your method stayed the exact same, the exact same exercise over and over, you know what kind of training you’re doing? The exact same kind as the strategy you outlined for powerlifters

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Anonymous #3 4w

The fact that he maintained his size with that training style, again, indicative that he was just that gifted. Also, you have known what of knowing what his precious training looked like if he did train differently. You’re basing your argument on an assumption, and then assuming something else about that assumption.

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Anonymous #4 4w

If you can’t go two weeks of not working out without hemorrhaging muscle mass, something’s not functioning right

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Anonymous #3 4w

Two weeks off training on a consistent basis? If you’re natural then you will absolutely be losing mass, and even enhanced, it’s going to be difficult to maintain THAT level of mass. That is of course, unless you have the most blessed quad genetics in human history. Again, physical outliers who are complete anomalies are not good examples to prove a point for regular people. I’m not gonna say that basketball is easy and use Lebron as an example.

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Anonymous #4 4w

But you could absolutely compare his training to other people in the NBA, or make an argument that a skill like jumping, while already clearly having a gift for it, jumps better because of a specialized way of training.

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Anonymous #3 4w

He jumps high as shit, doesn’t mean he has the biggest calves in the world

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Anonymous #3 4w

Because there’s a difference between training for performance and training for muscle mass

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Anonymous #3 4w

there’s a whole lot more to jumping than calves lol

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Anonymous #4 4w

Yes, if that’s really the only thing you can reply back, calves are indeed not the sole muscle used to jump

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Anonymous #3 4w

This is a great example for me actually. If you look up any videos of Lebron’s training (not basketball skills, his weight training) it is DOGSHIT. Like, comical levels of stupid. Doesn’t seem to matter though, because he’s such an athletic freak and such a gifted player that he’s the goat anyway.

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Anonymous #3 4w

obviously, nobody denied that lol

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Anonymous #3 4w

i never said they were?

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Anonymous #4 4w

So things like resistance bands to train speed and recruit fast-twitch muscle fibers for explosive power over raw controlled power is, as you say, dogshit

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Anonymous #3 4w

yes? Fast-twitch glycolytic and oxidative fibers are already the primary muscle fibers used in proper resistance training. The reason the movements appear slow and controlled is because they are being involuntarily slowed by the opposing load. Do the movement with the same level of force with no resistance and you’ll see how fast and explosive the movement is. Again man, I’m not trying to be a dick, but this just SCREAMS “I’ve never taken a class on this, I learned it from the internet”

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Anonymous #4 4w

Dawg I’m so bored of arguing, just post a pic along with how long you’ve been training and natty status and I’ll shut up

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Anonymous #3 4w

“ooga booga post pics” you don’t have an argument lol. Again, not tryna be a dick, but I don’t see why you would engage in an argument on a subject that you have no education on.

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Anonymous #3 4w

If this stuff is your entire life’s focus and you count every single calorie and follow super strict diet, and make everything ultra scientific, that’s amazing. At the end of the day my entire reasoning for doing 6 sets was because I like how it feels. I workout because it’s fun, not because I want to make sure I get every drop of productivity out of my sets

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Anonymous #3 4w

cool bro. You’re also taking up equipment. Be a little courteous, the world doesn’t revolve around you.

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Anonymous #4 4w

😭we’re right back to square one about the value of your 10 minute machine time versus my 15 minutes

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Anonymous #3 4w

All that education just to go right back to “I’m too impatient to let other people use machines”

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Anonymous #3 4w

That’s a 50% increase, it’s a lot lol. Also, you pivoting to “well i don’t want to be optimal anyway” after you just spent the last hour debating me on physiology and how to train effectively is hilarious.

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Anonymous #3 4w

“I don’t care about anyone else’s time and want to fuck around with the weights”

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Anonymous #4 4w

😭😭😭dawg if I was sitting on my phone for 10 minutes between sets, I’d agree with you, but I’m using the equipment properly and for an amount of time (and you can try to inflate it as much as you want with percentage statistics) 5 minutes longer than you are, you can debate effectiveness if you want but when your complaint in the first place was courtesy, your entire argument is down the shitter

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Anonymous #3 4w

If you scroll up, it was actually you who began the effectiveness debate

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Anonymous #3 4w

effectiveness is relevant because I could understand doing 6 sets if it would make you grow more or have a tangible positive effect, but it doesn’t, so there’s not a justification for taking up that much time. And you disregarding me using basic math as “inflating” is cute

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Anonymous #3 4w

again, because it’s relevant. Don’t take up equipment if you’re just gonna play with it instead of using it effectively

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Anonymous #4 4w

Basic math yes, but relativity is important. You keep using percentages to refer to time because saying I use a machine for 50% more time than you do sounds like so much more than 5 minutes

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Anonymous #3 4w

A person could say “I increased my lateral raise pr by 50% in two weeks” but it was from 10lbs to 15lbs

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Anonymous #3 4w

50% is reflective because it is true. Taking 15 minutes to do what someone training properly does in 6-10 minutes (more often 6, most of my movements are only 2 sets) is a significant amount of time.

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Anonymous #3 4w

Sure, absolutely massive gains from that point of view, but it’s not a continuous trend

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Anonymous #3 4w

If someone used a machine for 50% longer than I did, they’d be on it for 22.5minutes compared to my 15. Someone uses that machine for 50% longer than the previous user? 34minutes. Your argument uses unrealistic scaling to make the difference between us seem more pronounced than it actually is

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Anonymous #3 4w

that makes 0 sense

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Anonymous #3 4w

At the end of the day you’re comparing 10 minutes to 15 minutes and claiming moral high ground because of it

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Anonymous #3 4w

It doesn’t use unrealistic scaling, given that my number of 6-10 minutes is a normal amount of time to use a piece of equipment. Also, notice how you only use my max amount of time, despite me explicitly saying that i usually do 2 sets, in order to downplay the time gap? I’m usually there for 6 minutes, and you’re there for 9 more than that. More than double, and for no extra gains (probably worse gains) and you think that’s justifiable when others are waiting? Embarrassing ngl

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Anonymous #4 4w

😭dawg you’re trifling over 9 minutes. That’s 540 whole seconds, incredibly huge amount of time. Please forgive me🙏the error of my ways is so blatantly obvious now.

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Anonymous #3 4w

9 minutes when there’s people with jobs, families, and other commitments who may only have an hour to workout that day, but your fun is more important than common courtesy. It’s giving unemployed and no responsibility if you think fucking around in a public gym and taking up equipment for 9 minutes is no big deal

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Anonymous #4 4w

Fucking around❌ doing the exact same exercise you do✅ 5-9min big deal?❌ could work in if so desperate✅ employed✅ Also in school✅ could try another exercise/machine✅

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Anonymous #3 4w

6 sets with 2 minutes of rest and you’re fatigued to point where you have to drop the weight? Yeah that’s the dictionary definition of fucking around.

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Anonymous #4 4w

Sounds very cope to me

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Anonymous #3 4w

Basic muscle physiology as “cope” lol. I smell a sub 315 bench

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Anonymous #4 4w

Bro is training for strength

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Anonymous #3 4w

strength training and hypertrophy training are the same thing buddy. You’re gonna stay small and weak if you don’t know that

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Anonymous #3 4w

I would be pleasantly surprised if I had benched 315 within my 3 years of working out

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Anonymous #3 4w

I did it in 2 natty and i’m 5’9” lol. Train better 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

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Anonymous #4 4w

Lmaooo 5’9 he’s a shorty

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Anonymous #3 4w

If all you got is making fun of something i can’t control then go ahead lol. This shorty still reps more than your max

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Anonymous #3 4w

Something about leverage, less distance traveled, less total force needed, etc

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Anonymous #4 4w

Could also compare starting points in age, strength, and weight

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Anonymous #3 4w

Yeah it matters. My arms are probably shorter than yours (although i do have long arms). However, it roughly evens out when you account for taller people having a larger frame to add muscle to. Also, given that my max is 430 and I’m not sure you’ve touched 2 plates before, I think it comes down to a bit more than leverage here buddy

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Anonymous #3 4w

so now who’s the one coping lol. I was benching 65 pounds when i started. I was 5’8” 150 pounds skinny fat on my -8th birthday. I’m now 5’9” 185 at 23 years old. I hit 315 for the first time a week before turning 20. My current max is 430. Crazy how knowing what you’re talking about can help you grow.

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Anonymous #4 4w

*18th

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Anonymous #3 4w

and you wanted to compare, so let’s hear from you :)

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Anonymous #4 4w

Absolutely, if I had the same amount of muscle mass proportional to my frame and the same levers, It’d be much more equal

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Anonymous #3 4w

And yes, two plates is well within my abilities

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Anonymous #4 4w

65 working or max, for math purposes

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Anonymous #3 4w

“if i had the same amount of muscle mass” oh but you don’t, that’s the thing

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Anonymous #3 4w

max

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Anonymous #4 4w

That’s the comparison you wanted to make, I have more potential because of my larger frame, your said that the leverage argument evens out because of that, which is under the assumption that we would both have the same amount of muscle mass relative to our frames. Keep up

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Anonymous #3 4w

brother what lmao. I don’t give a fuck about your “potential” I care about how much you can lift

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Anonymous #4 4w

And you remember bringing up genetic potential with Platz yes? We do both agree that genetics can give people an advantage in every conceivable form?

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Anonymous #3 4w

Yep, maybe I am just genetically more gifted than you. I’d also venture to guess that my training is a lot better than yours

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Anonymous #4 4w

You understand the difference between 185 on a 5’9 frame and 185 on a 6’2 frame yes?

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Anonymous #4 4w

If you wanted to train for strength, sure.

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Anonymous #3 4w

Yep. You also understand that you can put on mass a lot easier when you’re 6’2”, right?

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Anonymous #3 4w

But comparing bodies, I have a higher height to weight ratio

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Anonymous #3 4w

I’m also bigger than you. I’m not gonna reiterate how strength and hypertrophy training are the same for you, since you’re continuing to ignore that.

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Anonymous #4 4w

Really? How interesting. I’m sure 500 calories puts much more weight on a 6’2 frame than a 5’9 frame. Makes perfect sense

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Anonymous #3 4w

It’s easier to put on mass in the sense that you have more skeletal mass and a wider frame to add mass to without being obese. If you’re gonna be purposefully dense then there’s not much of a convo to have here.

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Anonymous #4 4w

… you aren’t bigger than me😂, it’s just that 185lbs looks bigger on a small frame than on a big one

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Anonymous #3 4w

40lb cat vs 40lb dog

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Anonymous #3 4w

Different frames, different appearances

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Anonymous #3 4w

I’m bigger for my height definitely lol, and definitely stronger than you

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Anonymous #3 4w

same cope though. Take a physiology class man, just one

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Anonymous #4 4w

Yes Green Bean Giant, we’ve clarified you can bench more

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Anonymous #3 4w

So uh, when’s the physique reveal

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Anonymous #3 4w

i’ll remind you that I didn’t bring up our own personal strengths or sizes, because it’s irrelevant to the conversation. You wanted to do that, and now you’re backtracking and coping because you’re not as big and strong as you thought you were.

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Anonymous #4 4w

I’m just as big as I thought I was, and I’ve known my entire life that I’m below average strength compared to people my age

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Anonymous #3 4w

you don’t get one lol. I didn’t ask for yours either. You can’t engage with an argument and use tiktok science to argue with facts. Go to bed buddy.

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Anonymous #4 4w

😂tik tok science, every argument I’ve made, you counter then fall into later on, like claiming genetically gifted people like LeBron can train suboptimaly and still perform well, then later say you’re more genetically gifted than me, or for all the education you have, ignore the idea of proportionality when it comes to things like mass, adding mass, frame, strength, and even time😂

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Anonymous #3 4w

After reading your comments something tells me you don't even look like you've been lifting for the 3 years you've been in the gym

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Anonymous #3 4w

how the FUCK did this argument go on for so long

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