Anonymous #2 15w

some goals are objectively better than others

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Anonymous #1 15w

sure but don’t pretend that one isn’t better than the other

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Anonymous OP 15w

You don't know what the word objective means

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Anonymous #2 15w

wrong, my previous sentence was truth and only truth

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Anonymous OP 15w

You are clearly not capable of being the judge of that

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Anonymous #3 15w

if you’re able to do athletic training then you don’t need to do basic strength training. so the moment you’re able to do so, that’s the line

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Anonymous OP 15w

This is either bs or rage bait because no strength coach worth their salt will tell a football player to stop squatting or benching because it doesn’t help their athleticism

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Anonymous #2 15w

if you don’t like facts the real world ain’t for you

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Anonymous #3 15w

that would fall under advanced weight training wouldn’t it? different from hypertrophy training as well

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Anonymous OP 15w

How so

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wrong, it’s called strength training, hypertrophy just comes with it in this case. and football is not peak athleticism fyi

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Anonymous OP 15w

Mf your gonna tell me a 300 pound man doing a front flip over the line of scrimmage is not peak athleticism the. I don’t want your peak athleticism

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Anonymous #3 15w

basic strength training is for those who can’t do basic athletic training. basically step 1. if you’re asking how it’s different from hypertrophy training you can look it up it’s too much to explain

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Anonymous #3 15w

there’s a trade off. don’t get me wrong that guy is a beast but if he was 80 pounds lighter he’d be able to do a double front flip

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wrong, if your muscles are getting bigger it doesn’t necessarily mean hypertrophy training. hence why powerlifters can outperform people with more muscle mass by a significant amount

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and you’re definitely big as hell. not in a good way tho

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appeal to authority. also google is free. and lastly, you’re fully wrong, just neurological/technical perfection does not make them stronger, strength is not inherently tied to muscle mass. this is common empirical knowledge btw, any powerlifter or even google search will tell u this

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Anonymous OP 15w

Appeal to authority: ref he’s trying to say something is common empirical knowledge!

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double front flip is an example meathead

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I’ll never shit on an athlete for their sport it takes real dedication and drive to be good at it but when someone tries being all objectively superior is when all that flies out the window. Objectively your training for a very specific activity that cannot be broadly applied unless it’s something like running or sprinting. The truth is no one person to training is objectively the best because the skills and strengths required for a certain situation are always situational

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no i don’t think 205 is a meat head, i said you’re a meathead. because your head is filled with meat. and not necessarily brain matter unfortunately for u

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Anonymous #3 15w

i’ll never shit on an athlete for their sport either don’t get it twisted. but it would be lying if there wasn’t a training style that works generally better than every other training style in most situations. hence why it’s called functional training by some

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if you actually do have a degree that’s pretty sad that you thought strength is entirely from neurological/technical perfection and muscle mass. did you get your degree with chatgpt?

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like is said, google is free mr 205 pound kinesiology degree acquired meathead

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wrong again big guy, like i said, google is free. if you don’t know how to research basic things that says a lot abt your degree. which is supposedly research heavy right

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alright get ready, truth nuke incoming. once i deliver it, return your degree

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Yall are gonna make me turn my notifications off it’s 1 in the morning are yall unemployed 😭

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besides nuerological(mental)/technical(form/experience) as well as muscle mass itself, strength comes from: type 2 muscle fibers,tendon/ligament strength, and your CNS. all of these are inherent in strength/functional training, but are not inherent or as inherent in hypertrophy training

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i said type 2 muscle fibers, which don’t grow during hypertrophy, only type one that’s literally the point of hypertrophy. and cns isn’t neurological in the sense of mentality, which i distinguished if u actually read. also i never said tendons themselves make you stronger, it’s in combination with everything else. you’re just putting words in my mouth and then saying i agree with you. good night sleep tight

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Anonymous OP 15w

You literally claimed that one is better than the other💀

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i mean you can completely omit the fact that hypertrophy is literally meant to grow type 1 fibers, and the vast majority of the fibers grown are type 1. idk why you’re trying to though. for neurological, i clarified like 3 times that there’s a mental aspect, i brought up tendons bc you asked “what besides muscle mass and neuro/tech perf. would give you strength?”

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Anonymous #5 15w

yes. don’t pretend that one ISN’T better than the other. i think u read it as “is”

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i mean jeez if you call speaking generally backpedaling then sure dude. when i say don’t grow it means they don’t really grow haha. which they don’t. and you’re moving the goalpost by saying type 2 fibers grow with hypertrophy, the argument was which training is better. you can say athletic training is just hypertrophy as well but then people wouldn’t differentiate the 2 with that logic. except they do. also tendons ability to handle load does affect your strength sorry.

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that sound like cope in and of itself

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if you’re gonna pretend that hypertrophy training isn’t primarily used for type 1 muscle fiber development then you’re just being dishonest. u can keep getting mad and trying to belittle me but that really says more abt u than me lmao

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i mean you’re fully wrong, strength training is literally the method for type 2 fibers. brings us back to the original point that just mass doesn’t mean anything. some muscle mass is better and more efficient than other muscle mass. hence why people with significantly less muscle mass for a specific lift, outperform others even with more muscle mass for that lift

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they are fundamentally different, and if they weren’t, then the mr olympia would also be the strongest man in the world. but he’s not even close. idk why you’re trying to convince yourself efficient hypertrophy is the same, why is it differentiated?

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like i said, strength training will grow more type 2 muscle fibers than type 1, more so than the most “efficient” hypertrophy training ever will. if it was all up to technique then jeff nippard would be the strongest person on earth

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see this is where we fundamentally disagree, you think the difference in strength is neuro/tech perf. while i think it’s bc powerlifters muscles are made up of a ratio of more type 2 muscle fibers than type 1

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i can see your argument having an ounce of validity, but only to an extent. bc if high schoolers can outlift a mr olympia, by a lot, who supposedly would have the most efficient hypertrophy regimen in the planet, then your argument can’t be fully true. the other reasoning is that those high schoolers have more type 2 muscle fibers. from strength training

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i think exerting your body at maximal force occurs a lot less often in the most efficient hypertrophy training ever, compared to just normal strength training. so i don’t think they get even close to as many type 2 fibers

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like i said, him not practicing that movement has a part in it, but id say the main part of it is that more type 2 muscle fibers are present. 1 gram of type 2 fibers outperforms idk how many grams of type 1 muscle fibers, but definitively more than 1

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it can include a lot of maximal exertion, but is it as much as strength training? i don’t think so

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i’d say by focusing less on those 2 things you get less of the effect of maximal exertion, but i wanna get to a concession, since we’re starting to reach speculation. func./strength training is better than mainstream/shitty hypertrophy, and your/cbum’s hypertrophy is at least close to if not equal to func./strength training

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i said mainstream/shitty. you don’t struggle to see the point, u just don’t want to.

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i don’t think my perspective is warped, almost every person at my gym, previous gym, and person i’ve talked to in general is doing shitty hypertrophy, and the people who aren’t are just powerlifters

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Anonymous #6 15w

cross country is top 3 least athletic sports of all time. number 2 is golf. number 1 is chess

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i agree good thing i don’t do that👍 hope this helps

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it doesn’t sorry

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dude you should change your mindset. you would go so much further if instead of just trying to be win by omitting, you try to get something out of the convo. says a lot abt maturity level

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