Anonymous #1 20h

like saying you’re a conservative goth is just not a thing. you can’t be goth and also not political 😭 these people need to gtfo

36

Anonymous #3 20h

Why thank you :)

23

Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 14h

Also, don’t count my vote in this I misclicked.

3

Anonymous #1 12h

do you know what The Cure’s first single was called? remember the lyrics to Romeo’s Distress by Christian Death? have you seen Siouxsie Sioux acting out Japanese stereotypes in front of the WWII-era imperialist “rising sun” flag? I’m a leftist myself, but since the very beginning goth artists have played around with hateful imagery in a way that came with the side effect of making fascists feel plenty welcome

3

Anonymous #10 12h

This statement is clearly being made in ignorance and is not done in good faith. Your ignoring the context and actual meaning behind many of these behaviors, which is not to excuse said behaviors but to point out both their meaning and the objective truth that these groups still stood firmly against hate and hate groups

15

Anonymous #10 12h

FDR, a leftist, was the one the who put Japanese Americans in internment camps

10

Anonymous #1 12h

I agree that conservatives and people who naively think of themselves as “apolitical” should not be embraced in our subculture. but it’s really not a surprise that we have to keep chasing these bastards out of our spaces over and over again when you look at all the repugnant shit foundational artists were tinkering with in the name of Being Edgy. especially when we’re collectively so reluctant to criticize those artists in retrospect

8

Anonymous #11 12h

FDR was not a leftist lmao

12

Anonymous #11 12h

Anyone who calls FDR a leftist shows their a bumfuck idiot. FDR at best can be called a reformist

7

Anonymous #11 12h

omg bro people really can’t inform themselves any beyond the american political spectrum holy shit

9

Anonymous #12 12h

fwiw I have 11 blocked, they might be trolling/baiting

6

Anonymous #7 11h

no, I chose my words very carefully, “came with the side effect of making fascists feel plenty welcome” says nothing about the artists’ intent and does not in any way disregard context. throwing around slurs and toying with fascist imagery absolutely did send a dangerously ambiguous message regardless of what the artists were Trying to convey what bad faith could even be involved here when I’m saying this as an antifascist goth myself…?

5

Anonymous #11 11h

jesus christ, the number of upvotes on this. and I’m the one being called “ignorant”

0

Anonymous #7 11h

and when you reply with a comment where the entire purpose is to justify these decisions made by foundational artists, it doesn’t make much difference for you to then tack on “which is not to excuse those behaviors”. you are in fact choosing to excuse those behaviors

3

Anonymous #10 11h

No, I’m saying that context and impact matters. I’m not excusing anything, I don’t think Siouxsie should have done anything like that, but I’m also saying that the rest of her work in the culture (along with the cure and many other artists) was to make sure these pos’s knew they weren’t welcome

5

Anonymous #11 11h

FDR was basically a paternalistic conservative

1

Anonymous #7 11h

impact? yeah, the impact that matters is stuff like Black goths hearing Rozz Williams call them something viciously hateful and dehumanizing in his most popular song, or goths of Korean or Chinese descent seeing Siouxsie romanticize the flag of the imperialist Japanese military. impact like, as I said, fascists feeling welcome. so I’m not sure what argument you think you’re posing here

-1

Anonymous #10 11h

Ok it seems like you’re missing my point on purpose so I’m just gonna drop out of this. We’re on the same side, cut out this pointless infighting dude. We want the same shit

1

Anonymous #7 11h

“the rest of her work” like the lyrics to Hong Kong Garden? or Arabian Knights? or the time she wore a swastika? along with the rest of The Cure’s work—you mean like the time Tolhurst wore blackface in one of their music videos? this shit stacks up. no clear antifascist message is communicated when it’s combined with patterns like this

-1

Anonymous #7 11h

or you could grow a spine and acknowledge my point rather than just ragequitting because you don’t have an effective retort?

0

Anonymous #10 11h

My guy. For the last time, I don’t support hateful rhetoric towards marginalized communities anywhere in our community. Listen to what I’m actually saying dog fuck. Throwing around insults for no reason is so pointless dude.

1

Anonymous #7 11h

“dog fuck”…? yikes. idek what insults you’re referring to, but you’re crashing out at me in two different threads rn, so I’m gonna go ahead and block you

0

Anonymous #5 11h

Skinny Puppy fan spotted? 🖤 I have a great deal of catching up to do when it comes to ecological & animal rights issues, but Ogre’s dedication to those subjects has been inspiring me to confront some ugly shit I’d been averting my eyes from

5

Anonymous #10 29m

You have zero media literacy

1

Anonymous #10 16m

Never knew Ogre was an Eco-Soc, but yes I am a big Skuppy fan

1