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I wish that this / “goth is inherently leftist because it arose from punk, which is also inherently leftist” were true. but if that had ever actually been the case, there wouldn’t have been so much need for all the “nazi punks fuck off” messaging

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Anonymous 14h

“skinhead” was a punk scene before it was a white supremacist thing. but nowadays you have to whip out a label like “SHARP” if you wanna self-describe as a skinhead, i.e. a type of punk, without implying that you’re also a fascist. if the punk scene were truly innately leftist, this would not be the case and I hope y’all know what a “no true Scotsman” fallacy is

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Anonymous 12h

The need for the Nazi punks fuck off thing is because of those right wingers that thought they could cosplay as the group to enact their violence, that doesn’t take away from the fact that punk/goth/alt came from leftism and resistance to tyrannical governments and corrupt corporations

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Anonymous 11h

I didn’t comment on the Vivianne Westwood thing because…it doesn’t have anything to do with our skinhead-punk conversation. The fuck are you on about. Dude our entire scene is built upon conversation and social action and progress but you’re too busy practicing some weird ego-trip and treating people like they’re unenlightened for not wanting fucking Nazis in our community? wtf is your problem dude get a life

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Anonymous

#1 12h

you didn’t read the comment I tacked on, I take it for one, nazis overtook the skinhead punk scene to the extent that now most people think of it as an Exclusively white supremacist thing. also, saying “the fascists in the punk scene weren’t Really punks” is just a “no true Scotsman” fallacy also, you think Vivienne Westwood sold expensive clothing to celebrities because she was what, a principled anti-capitalist?

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OP 12h

No I read it, it just doesn’t really change anything. Like the basic idea is still that facists infiltrated and ruined the reputation of a leftist scene, which is what I just said. Like you’re still not a punk if you’re a facist lying to get into a punk space. You can point to a fallacy as much as u want but that doesn’t change that.

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Anonymous

#1 11h

no, the bottom line is that skinhead is a type of punk, and a very significant number of skinheads are nazis. you’re just spitting thought-terminating cliches, and how am I supposed to take your knowledge of historical context seriously when you don’t even know how to spell the word “fascist”?

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OP 11h

Oh my fucking god bro engage with my argument instead of playing grammar police. This is such a lame position to take when we’re on the same side.

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Anonymous

#1 11h

I’m not convinced you even took a second to google what that fallacy is referring to, and I notice you didn’t have anything to say re: Vivienne Westwood. your confidence in your own perspective is unwarranted, you’re parroting a convenient feel-good talking point popularized by naive baby bats. maybe circle back to this conversation after you graduate or something

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Anonymous

#1 11h

are you really trying to claim now that Vivienne Westwood isn’t relevant to punk…? and I was perfectly clear about not wanting fascists in our scenes, so that’s a reading comprehension issue on your part. I just know you’re the same person crashing out at me in that poll thread

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Anonymous

#1 11h

I’ve been doing nothing But engage with your argument, but I’ll go ahead and disengage now!

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