Anonymous #2 5w

😂😂😂

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Anonymous #4 4w

It’s the nails

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Anonymous #5 4w

“good vibes” for christians are terrifying to me

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Anonymous #2 4w

It left

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Anonymous #12 4w

Instead of I can’t do it it becomes I can do this

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Anonymous #12 4w

Because “everyone is awful and can only MAYBE be KINDA redeemed by the death of a demigod and then you have to live the rest of your life feeling shame for existing” is good vibes to some people. Religion is weird as hell, man.

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Anonymous robert_zemekis 4w

😂

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Anonymous #17 4w

Everyone is not awful, everyone lives in sin. Sin just means you do the wrong thing, something that goes against the will of God. Because sin goes against the will of God, it separates us from him. This breaks God’s heart. Because of this, God put on flesh and lived a perfect life as a human, so that we might be led by example, as we already did a good job fricking it up the first time. Jesus (God in human form) then took on all of our sin because he loves us so much, and died so that with him

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Anonymous #21 4w

Sin may also die. Now, Jesus killed sin on the cross with his love, then three days later rose up from the dead, and revealed himself to over 500 people. He then said “take the Holy Spirit as a helper.” After that he ascended to heaven. This is not only good news, but also good vibes.

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Anonymous #21 4w

You don’t sound like good vibes you sound like a lunatic

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Anonymous #5 4w

I’m sorry that that’s how you feel, but if somebody presents the Gospel and Jesus in an inaccurate way, I’m going to go ahead and tell them what actually happened.

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Anonymous #21 4w

What actually happened??? You know none of that bullshit you just recited actually happened, right? It’s important to me that you know that

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Anonymous #21 4w

"My god was so enraged by the disobedience of beings he created (and has infinite power over) that he set forth endless days of suffering and agony to coerce said creations into submission. He was so committed to this vision of total submission to his will that he pretended to be capable of suffering to gaslight them into thinking suffering for him is good. God is definitely not just a reflection of the narcissistic megalomaniacs, predators and abusers of Biblical times"

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Anonymous #21 4w

your god is either not all good or not all powerful. the world could not be the way it is if he were both

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Anonymous #2 4w

You’re attributing the shortcomings of humans to God when you say that. God is all good and all powerful, however, because he is also loving, people have free will. Unfortunately, some people have decided to misuse their free will. That is not God’s fault.

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Anonymous #17 4w

You really believe that? Because the Gospels are historical accounts of the life of Jesus. They are the most reliable accounts of ancient history we have, and because they are also tied to God people just write them off as not true. It makes no sense.

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Anonymous #21 4w

If you had a pet hamster and it did something you didn’t approve of but you love it unconditionally, would you sentence it to being tortured for eternity?

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Anonymous #21 4w

Did Jesus exist? Yes, probably? Did he rise from the dead and all that other bullshit? Obviously fucking not.

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Anonymous #17 4w

That’s not a good comparison, it’s more like, if my child turned out to be a horrible person, lying, killing, etc., but I loved him or her, would I show it a way to redeem itself and build a relationship with me? Yes. Now if they chose not to do that would I then force them to spend eternity hanging out with me in my living room? No.

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Anonymous #21 4w

Actually a very good analogy from you. However, not every sinner is a murderer. What if your child turned out to be gay and you gave them a way to “redeem” themselves and build a relationship with you that required them to give up that part of themselves? Would you sentence them to eternal torment?

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Anonymous #17 4w

More than 500 people saw Jesus alive after he had been crucified, spent time with him, etc. Those people then died because they were unwilling to say that he didn’t do so. 500 people, all dying because that happened. Seems a little silly to the just say “obviously that didn’t happen” without at least checking it out

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Anonymous #21 4w

Correction: someone wrote in a book that 500 people saw Jesus. That is the only shred of anything that points towards it happening. There is as much evidence for Jesus rising from the dead as there is for Gandalf the Gray existing.

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Anonymous #21 4w

We have no proof that 500 people saw Jesus. All we have is a book that some dude wrote that says it happened. There’s a lot of books that say a lot of things happened. Most of em didn’t.

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Anonymous #17 4w

That’s an extremely hard question. I personally wrestle a lot with homosexuality as a sin, because it’s outside of my understanding. What I do know, is that God told us that sin separates us from him, and then he speaks out repeatedly against sexual immorality, including homosexuality a couple times. So me personally as a Christian, I have to have faith he knows better than I do. I understand why that’s hard for people, I really do.

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Anonymous #17 4w

Well we don’t actually have proof of anything then. We don’t have proof world war 1 happened. You can’t prove Einstein existed, or Galileo, or Julius Caesar. If you’re going to write everything off as unreliable because it was written in a book, or that it can be proven without a shred of uncertainty, then nothing is true.

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Anonymous #21 4w

Can’t*

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Anonymous #21 4w

God was never meant to be all good in protochristianity

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Anonymous #21 4w

The Mormons had people die for their testament of Joseph smith, do you believe Mormons too?

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Anonymous #5 4w

Well that’s when you have to get into who has more evidence supporting their claim. Who gives me more of a reason to believe them. Honestly, I need to read more about Mormonism and do some more research, but as far as I can see at this point that doesn’t look like a reliable church to me.

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Anonymous #21 4w

So would you condemn your child, who you allegedly love unconditionally, to suffer unimaginable torture for ETERNITY (by definition too long of a punishment for any crime) for being gay? Or do you think that would mean maybe you don’t love them that much?

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Anonymous #21 4w

We do have proof World War I happened. We have photos. We have photos of Einstein too. Genuinely are you fucking stupid 😭

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Anonymous #21 4w

So you squabble over which religion has more “evidence” despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of evidence supports no religion? The “most evidence-based religion” is still lunacy.

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Anonymous #21 4w

If you could eat poop sandwich A, which has a lot of poop, or poop sandwich B, which has a little poop, or neither sandwich, what would you do? I’d definitely not eat either because they’re both shit sandwiches.

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Anonymous #17 4w

My point wasn’t that there’s not evidence of WW1 happening, but that there’s no proof of it. Images can be doctored, taken out of context etc. if we are going to write off a book because it’s a book, why are we not writing off pictures just because they’re pictures?

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Anonymous #17 4w

I already commented on this, it’s a very tough issue for me as a Christian and realistically it boils down to I’m not sure what happens to people who are gay or why, all I know is that it is spoken of in the Bible in such a way that I would believe it to be something you should turn from. This doesn’t mean that I hate gay people, or that God does, just that it’s outside of the original design he laid out for humans.

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Anonymous #17 4w

Majority of evidence supports no religion? Would you please elaborate, I don’t agree but I would like to hear your viewpoint.

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Anonymous #21 4w

L’ron hubbard wrote the story of Scientology in a book and passed it off as true, I guess since we weren’t there we can’t say aliens didn’t send alien souls to earth to populate the human race

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Anonymous #21 4w

I’m not writing it off because it’s a book. I’m not saying it CANT be true because it’s in a book. I’m saying that someone saying something doesn’t carry any weight. If you’d never heard of Christianity and some guy on the street told you the story of the Bible and claimed it was true, you’d ask him for evidence, right? You wouldn’t, because it would be obvious that he’s delusional, but I know you wouldn’t consider the words of some guy to be evidence for anything.

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Anonymous #21 4w

If by “already commented on this” you mean “didn’t answer the question at all,” then I mean. Yeah.

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Anonymous #21 4w

Yeah, by that I mean that virtually every fact, but here I mean the ones that come up in theistic debate, point to a lack of a creator. Take the human eye, for example. Theists commonly argue that it’s proof of intelligent design, but in reality, it DISPROVES intelligent design. The human eye is horribly inefficient. If a mere mortal human engineer had designed it, it would actually be much better. So that is one example, we know for a fact that we were not designed.

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Anonymous #17 4w

Well what’re you wanting me to say? I already said God loves all people, that would include gay people too. I also said I don’t know what happens to gay people, but I trust that that is in Gods hands. I don’t know what more of an answer you want from me, truly.

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Anonymous #21 4w

I want you to answer the question. Could you sentence someone you love unconditionally to eternal torment for a crime that didn’t hurt anybody else?

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Anonymous #17 4w

Christianity is not just based on someone saying something that one time and then little Jimmy overheard the convo and passed it off to his buddy who barely spoke the same language. We have well over 20 thousand Greek manuscripts that all agree to a very close degree of certainty on the Bible. This is more evidence than we have of Caesar, or Plato, or Aristotle. So I guess I don’t understand why you write off Jesus, but not other history.

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Anonymous #21 4w

What? Now 20,000 people wrote the Bible individually by pure coincidence? LISTEN TO YOURSELFFFFF OMGGGGG

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Anonymous #17 4w

I think you miss the point of that debate. I’ve heard the human eye debate, and it works better when it’s used as a smaller part of a larger topic, but whether created by God or created by humans, both were created by an intelligent mind. This becomes more and more attractive towards a creator when you start to look at other things in science too, I like trees as an example personally

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Anonymous #21 4w

What? What do you mean both were created by an intelligent mind? Life is provably NOT intelligently designed. The Bible says god designed us. We know FOR AN IMMUTABLE FACT that that is not the case. Evolution is unarguable. Therefore, we know beyond doubt that the Bible tells at least some lies. Why believe the rest of it if the parts we can prove are proven false?

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Anonymous #17 4w

I don’t understand what your issue with 20,000 Greek manuscripts is, legitimately? I didn’t say they were written by random people at random times across the globe who happened upon the same story for no apparent reason.

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Anonymous #21 4w

Here’s the issue with the manuscripts. Either stories got shared and told and that’s how 20,000 people ended up writing the same story, or you’re saying that God told people in Greece about events taking place is Jerusalem.

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Fuck no. Religion causes immeasurable amounts of disrespect to people who don’t deserve it. Why should I respect delusion? Religious people are genuinely fucking schizo freaks

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Anonymous #17 4w

Could I personally? No probably not. I don’t pretend to understand the fullness of the issue or why it is a problem either. I would imagine it goes back to pride and thinking we know better than the original design God gave us. I am sure glad that it’s not a me issue though, that one is way too big for me.

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Anonymous #5 4w

Correct, I couldn’t prove to you without a shred of uncertainty that that is not the case. I would just say do your own research and if the evidence leads you to that then by all means follow the teachings of Mr. Hubbard

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Anonymous #21 4w

If your argument requires you to endorse belief in Scientology, you should reevaluate your argument. You follow a religion that, by your own admission, is only as valid a belief system as Scientology?

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Anonymous #17 4w

I’m very sorry that whatever happened in your life lead you to the conclusion that religion is unjustly harmful. I understand that people have been mistreated by people in the church. That is completely a human issue though, that wasn’t God that did that.

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Anonymous #17 4w

No? I said do your research and if the evidence points to Scientology being reliable follow it. I don’t believe at all that that’s where that person will end up. I clearly believe that there is far more evidence that Jesus Christ is reliable than that L’ron Hubbard is.

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Anonymous #21 4w

It wasn’t god that did anything bro, can we live in fucking reality for a minute? Think. If god made it so that there’s no evidence of their existence and then sends you to hell if you don’t believe in them, even if you lived a morally good life, they’re trolling. They’re literally fucking with us if that’s the case. You have to believe in god, but they took care to ensure there will never be a logical reason to believe in god. Now why the fuck would they do that?

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Anonymous #21 4w

Don’t you think a loving god would not sentence you to eternal torment for living a good and just life and being atheist?

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Anonymous #17 4w

There is a bunch of evidence pointing towards God and Jesus being reliable. He didn’t just hide himself from us and start throwing fireballs at sinners. In fact, he wants so badly for us to know that he’s real that he literally humbled himself. The God of the universe came down from heaven and put on flesh and lived as a human to show us he loves us. We killed him for it. Beat him until he didn’t look human, tore the flesh from his back, and crucified him. And he still wants us in heaven.

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Anonymous #21 4w

Riiiiiight. So for everyone outside of the 500 people who allegedly saw Jesus risen… we all just get fucked? We all just have to believe with no evidence whatsoever? And if we don’t we go to hell no matter how kind we were? Why would god give evidence to people living in 0 and then make sure nobody else ever has a good reason to believe in god ever again? Use. Your. Brain. Or have they brainwashed your critical thinking out of you entirely?

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Anonymous #21 4w

So no, I don’t understand why God loves us either. Boy am I glad he does though. Also, Jesus never said “be good and you’ll get to heaven.” Jesus said we had to deny ourselves, pick up our crosses, and follow him. He said he is THE way, THE truth, THE life. And people still are like “yeah but why not just because I’m good.”

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Anonymous #21 4w

THATS THE PROBLEM. Why would a loving god look at someone who made good use of their free will and did all good things and helped others all their life, but was an atheist because there is no evidence of a higher power, and send them to hell? You realize that’s utterly absurd, right?

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Anonymous #17 4w

Again, there is more evidence for Jesus than there is for any ancient historical figure. Just because you haven’t taken the time to look at it, does not mean it’s not there. I think it would be very silly to believe if there was 0 evidence of reliability.

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Anonymous #21 4w

That is not true. The evidence for Aristotle is that he wrote books. He signed his name. There was a guy who called himself Aristotle who wrote things. That happened. Jesus likely existed, there is evidence for that. There is no evidence he performed a single, solitary miracle.

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Anonymous #17 4w

If someone came to your house this evening, knocked on the door, and said, “hey I’m going to live with you guys now, I’m a good person” you would turn them away because you didn’t know them. That’s the issue, we need to have a relationship with God.

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Anonymous #21 4w

And that aside, I don’t worship Aristotle, so your argument was shit in addition to being factually untrue.

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Anonymous #21 4w

god is ALL KNOWING, YOU FUCKING IDIOT. HE KNOWS WHAT YOURE LIKE.

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Anonymous #21 4w

god, you people can never even keep your own bullshit stories straight

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Anonymous #17 4w

So you trust a guy writing about how good he is in a book more than you trust multiple people recording the actions of a man for 3 and a half years? I really struggle with believing you think that way

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Anonymous #21 4w

Holy shit your reading comprehension is nonexistent. When did I say I believe anything about Aristotle being good? First off, do you think his works were just glazing himself? He was a philosopher, since you clearly have no idea what he wrote about. Anyway, his books are PROOF HE EXISTED. I’m not commenting on his personality, but yes, we do know he existed.

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Anonymous #17 4w

There is a difference between knowing what somebody is like and having a relationship with them. I could go to your 5 closest friends and have them tell me all about you, but I wouldn’t know you unless I went to the source and got to actually know you.

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Anonymous #21 4w

But god doesn’t go to your 5 closest friends. GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING. GOD. KNOWS. EVERYTHING. Have you even read the fucking Bible that’s like rule 1 is god knows everything

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Anonymous #17 4w

You said there’s more evidence for Jesus existing than Aristotle. Historically, it’s debated whether Jesus ever lived. I personally lean towards “he existed, but wasn’t magical,” but we know for a fact that Aristotle etc existed.

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Anonymous #17 4w

First off, fair enough, I shouldn’t have said he was writing about how good he is. That’s my fault. Second, even those books don’t prove he existed. They are good evidence, and I do think he existed, but they don’t prove Aristotle existed without a shred of uncertainty.

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Anonymous #21 4w

Yes, they do. Having a book signed by Aristotle proves that there was a guy who called himself Aristotle and wrote books. Do we know what he looked like for sure? No. But we know that there are books written by a guy who signed his books “Aristotle.” So yea, we know there was a guy who wrote books and called himself Aristotle.

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Anonymous #17 4w

My point was that knowing is different from having a relationship. Even if God knows everything about you, it takes two people to have a relationship

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Anonymous #21 4w

If your pet cat didn’t want a relationship with you, would you shoot it in the face??? 😭

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Anonymous #21 4w

If god is so smart, they wouldn’t be so offended by people not liking them that they’d send their “loved” creations to hell. The god that you believe in (all knowing and all powerful and all good) would create a copy of heaven for people who were good but don’t fuck with god. Then there’s a heaven for people who wanna hang w god and a heaven for people who don’t. Then a hell for evil people (even though eternity is by definition an excessive punishment).

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Anonymous #17 4w

No? At the very best, it’s only evidence. You can’t prove anything. To prove means it cannot be another way. I believe Aristotle was a person who wrote books. This does not make it true, Aristotle could be a conglomerate of people writing books under a common idea. Aristotle could be the idea itself.

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Anonymous #21 4w

If god doesn’t want you in his living room, that’s fine, but he has the power to create another living room and instead he sends you to the dying room

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Anonymous #17 4w

You paint God out to be a “love me or burn in hell, but I will give you no evidence or reason to love me” type of being. That’s not true, and it’s incredibly dishonest of you to paint a God you don’t believe in or study at all in a way that suits your argument with absolutely nothing but your own feelings to justify the matter.

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Anonymous #21 4w

Give me any evidence that that’s not accurate. Does the Bible not say you need a relationship with god to go to heaven? And uh… well, if they gave us any evidence, there’d be scientific consensus that god is real, wouldn’t there?

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Anonymous #17 4w

Do you know what historical evidence is or how it works? Like I’m not trying to be rude I’m legitimately asking, then I will explain.

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Anonymous #21 4w

Yes. Go on. Explain to me the evidence that exists for the existence of god that science has somehow rejected despite the fact it’s real. Generally, when there’s evidence for something, it becomes a named scientific theory. There’s not even enough evidence for a THEORY of god.

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Anonymous #17 4w

Okay, I’m not sure you understood what I was asking. Historical evidence and scientific evidence are different. We don’t scientifically try and prove Herodotus, Aristotle, etc. The historical evidence for Jesus (and the Bible) comes from many eye witnesses and thousands and thousands of manuscripts. These are then cross referenced with each other to come up with a degree of reliability. This is how historical evidence works, and this is one of the greatest examples of it, truly.

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Anonymous #21 4w

Ohhh, so by historical evidence, you meant stuff that isn’t actually evidence but that someone said one time 2000 years ago. Got it. You can use terms like “historical evidence” all you want, but just because that phrase has “evidence” in it doesn’t actually mean it constitutes evidence. Again, if there were evidence, there’d be consensus.

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Anonymous #21 4w

So when I say evidence I’m talking about REAL evidence. Hope this helps.

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Anonymous #17 4w

What’s the “real evidence” for any historical figure then? Can you give me any for Alexander the Great? Plato? Socrates? No, the evidence comes from things written about or by them from that time period. I don’t understand why you’re having such an issue with this, this is how literally all of history was recorded for thousands of years

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Anonymous #21 4w

I do not worship Socrates. If the way I lived my life was based solely on the word of Socrates, that would make me a moron. I don’t need proof that they existed because I don’t worship them. YOU, on the other hand, worship someone without evidence. That’s the difference. I don’t need evidence for those guys because I’m not sucking their cocks all day every day.

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Anonymous #17 4w

I understand that, however, the way you get to the conclusion they existed at all is the same. I worship and follow Jesus because the evidence points to him being reliable. I am sorry that that is so upsetting to you that you feel the need to insult me.

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Anonymous #21 4w

Irrelevant. I don’t need to be certain they existed. You should have evidence Jesus performed miracles before basing your entire life on it. It is upsetting to me that religious delusion gets legal protections. The only good thing that ever came from religion is the ability for atheists to buy magic mushrooms online thanks to sham churches that purport to use them as sacrament.

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Anonymous #21 4w

It’s also upsetting to me that it’s not socially acceptable to call people out for proudly announcing things that are, medically, psychologically, delusions. Like your religious beliefs literally fall under the definition of delusion and yeah I’m pissed that I have to pretend I respect it in public.

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Anonymous #17 4w

I mean you could but than you’d be the one looking like the ones one the streets doing drugs.. the epitome of delusional

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Anonymous #21 4w

Your whole point is moot anyway since we have no firsthand accounts of Jesus, just some gospels that were written decades after the fact and are second or third hand at best. Not to mention all of the gospels that were written in the same time period and weren’t canonized for one reason or another

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Anonymous #5 4w

Which is exactly the same as we have “evidence” for Joseph smith’s Book of Mormon being true. Second hand accounts at best, most of which had something to gain

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Anonymous #21 4w

i attributed gods will to god. nothing more, nothing less. an all knowing and all powerful creator of the universe necessarily implies there is no free will

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