Anonymous #1 16h

I appreciate your comment and I’m glad you agree but…why are you on girl talk?

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Anonymous OP 15h

My bad I was just snooping a bit 😭

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Anonymous #1 15h

Please don’t. We like to keep our space just for women. It ruins the whole point if men are on here.

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Anonymous #1 15h

but i forgive you since you seem nice. Just don’t snoop in the future.

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Anonymous #1 15h

We can’t have nothing

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Anonymous #2 15h

fr

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Anonymous OP 15h

I don’t like when men make ME buy the plan B

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Anonymous #4 15h

I’m not even for abortion bans but this is absurd. It is very easy to understand why someone would see an abortion as unethical. Imagine if women started killing their babies outside the womb and said well if men don’t want it to happen then they should get vasectomies!

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Anonymous #4 15h

can we also imagine what would happen if the moon was made of cheese? since we wanna talk about things that have nothing to do with abortion

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Anonymous #4 15h

going through with a pregnancy and giving birth costs significantly more than a vasectomy. If a man is forcing women to go through that then that’s the LEAST he can do. And it is almost always reversible, complications are very unlikely.

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you should have been aborted

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Anonymous #4 14h

i am imagining your scenario and i, in fact, do endorse women's rights to slaughtering their newborns and believe men should be considered 100% at fault for it if it were to occur🧐🧐

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they’re*

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Anonymous OP 14h

But a man isn’t forcing a woman to have a pregnancy? Both parties choose to have sex. You are using a vasectomy because it is an extreme and unnecessary form of birth control as an argument for abortion.

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Anonymous #4 14h

the whole convo is about men who are against abortion… as in men who believe women should be forced to stay pregnant… i’m begging you to keep up

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Anonymous #5 14h

Women are never forced to be pregnant because they made a decision that led them to be pregnant (unless graped which they should be able to abort)

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Anonymous #5 14h

Why would a man who is against killing human life have to get a vasectomy? Tell me that?

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Anonymous #4 14h

uhh his body my choice? duh

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Anonymous #4 14h

do you also think people who get into car crashes should be refused medical attention bc they made a decision to get into a car and accepted the risk of getting into a crash or is that logic only for women who don’t want to be pregnant

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Anonymous #5 14h

So u have no answer? Why men should be forced or have to get vasectomies in order to have an opinion on killing human life?

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Anonymous #5 14h

You joke every time you have little to no real response

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Anonymous #4 14h

no i gave you my answer. his body my choice and i want him to get a vasectomy so he has to do it

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Anonymous #5 14h

Good good point. Condums are cool too they make diff flavors and stuff or thickness

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Anonymous #4 14h

“i don’t know how to respond bc im realizing the fault in my own logic but i can’t admit that so im just going to deflect”

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Anonymous #5 14h

How is that at all the same? One is saving a life and one is taking a life. People who get in to car crashes obviously can get care because it harms no one like what 😭 you are a joke

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Anonymous #5 14h

Another joke because you have basically zero argument you literally just tried to compare medical care for a car crash vs killing a fetus

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Anonymous #5 14h

Yes that is exactly what you are doing! You are deflecting. Please tell me where my logic is faulty?

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Anonymous #5 14h

Give a response with some ounce of knowledge please

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Anonymous #4 14h

when you’re driving a car and when you choose to have sex there is an inherent level of risk (getting into a crash vs getting pregnant) involved with the activity. you think the existence of that risk means that no matter what the outcome is, a person should have to deal with that (bc you don’t think women are forced into pregnancy bc they chose to have sex, and therefore don’t need abortions, bc it was their choice) sooooo i asked if you viewed another situation with inherent risk the same

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Anonymous #4 14h

you also just said car crashes apparently don’t harm anyone idk if you should be talking about faulty logic

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Anonymous #5 14h

These situations are entirely different because while both involve risk the medical process doesn’t involve harming another human for a car crash while it does for an abortion. A woman doesn’t deserve to be forced to bear a child just for having sex and a person doesn’t deserve to bleed out because they drove a car. However when you include the introduction of another human life within the women it changes things. Because the fetus doesn’t deserve to die.

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Anonymous #5 14h

Holy shit are you special needs? Obviously I meant operating on someone to save them after a car crash doesn’t harm anyone else like what 😭. Another joke just like you

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Anonymous #4 14h

so in the event of a car crash with two people where one person is in critical condition and needs an organ transplant or something, should the other person involved in the crash be legally obligated to donate whatever organ is needed? even if it kills them?

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Anonymous #4 14h

lmk if you need me to walk you through it ik you had trouble with it the first time :(

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Anonymous #5 14h

This is completely different because the driver didn’t cause the other person need for an organ. While the mother and fathers actions did cause the creation of the fetus and the need for care

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Anonymous #5 14h

I do however believe that if someone hits someone with their car (after purposefully driving recklessly) and that person needs an organ to survive and there is basically an 100% success rate of transfer that person should be responsible for producing that organ since it is their fault.

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Anonymous #5 14h

For example if a drunk driver hits a family and one of the family members needs a transplant to survive I could see that argument. But that’s not natural while the care for a baby is so that is also pretty different scenarios.

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Anonymous #4 14h

do you think caring for a baby is natural for someone who doesn’t want a fucking baby 😭

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Anonymous #4 14h

i also don’t know why you had to clarify it has to be a 100% success rate. pregnancy isn’t 100% sure about anything, even the survival of the fetus. this shouldn’t be any different

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Anonymous #5 14h

Caring for a baby is natural want it or not. Also for the organ thing I take back what I said because that would kill the organ donor so it’s completely different. I believe in abortion if the mother’s life is at significant risk.

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Anonymous #4 14h

actually i wanna know what you meant by caring for a baby is natural. do you mean like the physical act of pregnancy is natural? bc growing cancer cells would also be natural in that case, and i think we can both agree something being ‘natural’ doesn’t inherently make it good

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Anonymous #5 14h

Organ situation is completely different in every way because it involves giving your life to save someone else’s life. While with birth… both live.

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Anonymous #4 14h

birth is not a guarantee both live. woman frequently die giving birth and while pregnant. they’re dying more now because of abortion bans using the exact logic you just did - what counts as significant risk? is it when she goes septic? is it when she MIGHT go septic but she also might get better? how long does she have to wait after her organs start shutting down before an abortion can take place?

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Anonymous #5 14h

Cancer is a disease and a biological malfunction. Pregnancy is the intended purpose of sex and the consequence of it. The fetus shouldn’t face death for the actions of its parents.

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Anonymous #4 14h

then men should get vasectomy’s to prevent abortion from needing to exist in the first place :)

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Anonymous #5 14h

sorry let me clarify - men who think sex = pregnancy should get a vasectomy

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Anonymous #5 13h

Whether or not a man chooses to have a vasectomy is irrelevant to the question of is it moral to end the fetus’ life. You are asking men to give up fertility to avoid the inconvenience of pregnancy but the core issue is the morality of abortion.

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Anonymous #5 13h

We don’t require people to undergo body changing surgeries in order to have stances on the rights of human beings.

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Anonymous #4 13h

This goes back to my example of: mothers around the world start killing their new born babies then saying men need to start getting vasectomies if they want to prevent that. The act itself is morally bad and the man shouldn’t be held responsible for the mother killing the new born. The only difference is one is born and one is not. Which brings you to the question of what gives human life value. What makes a baby that is out of the womb so much more valuable to people who support abortion

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Anonymous #4 13h

if a man doesn’t want an abortion to happen, he shouldn’t be having sex that can get women pregnant. he wouldn’t even need to give up his fertility either, he can have his sperm frozen and it’s viable for like 40 years

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Anonymous #5 13h

Science is real guys! And the internet is free! When you spent so much time at the library as a kiddddd #scolasticbookreader

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Anonymous #4 13h

um. you answered your own question. birth. like that’s the big difference lol a human baby is autonomous (in this case that would mean it doesn’t directly biologically rely on any singular person) and a fetus isn’t

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Anonymous #4 13h

like abortion isn’t even really about protecting babies. if it was you’d agree that men should be getting vasectomies so they don’t accidentally get someone pregnant. it’s about autonomy

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Anonymous #4 13h

also sorry i can’t stop thinking about the scenario. honestly to god the more i think about it the more i think we should hold men liable bc why are you intentionally getting a woman pregnant when there’s ig a 100% chance she’s going to kill a newborn

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Anonymous #5 13h

Ok that is absolutely insane 😭 if women started killing their unwanted new born babies and then blamed men for not getting vasectomies clearly the people doing the actual baby killing are at fault.

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Anonymous #4 13h

actually wait. this is actually the perfect example to use bc i’m pretty sure this exact thing used to be fairly common especially when women couldn’t have abortions or couldn’t care for their child. they would genuinely just kill them. like this is the world abortion is preventing!

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Anonymous #5 13h

Have you ever heard of adoption? You are arguing that the only way to avoid infanticide is to kill the baby while it is in the womb. Or… people could just not kill any humans and give up for adoption

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Anonymous #4 13h

i’m actually arguing that i think infanticide is worse than abortion and unless you want to see more of it, you should be trying to protect women’s right to abortion. but idk maybe you think abortion is worse

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Anonymous #5 13h

This is basically the definition of a false dilemma (a logical fallacy). You could say unless you want illegal immigrants killing Americans you should deport them all! Either you accept Americans will die to illegal immigrants or support mass deportation. Both are bad arguments and logically incorrect

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Anonymous #5 13h

Another. You could argue if you don’t support this specific healthcare plan you want people to not afford healthcare and die in the streets

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Anonymous #4 13h

Bro leave them alone.

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Anonymous #1 12h

It’s an argument 😭 they could’ve stopped responding if they didn’t want to hear a response (or just not opened this thread)

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Anonymous #4 12h

My dad literally got a vasectomy, met my mom, reversed it and had me, then got another vasectomy.

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Anonymous #2 12h

Wow 🤯

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Anonymous #2 12h

How does that at all relate to the argument that men who believe killing a human being in the womb is wrong should be forced to have a vasectomy

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Anonymous #4 11h

So in your initial comment you said they’re not always reversible. They’re providing an example in which it was you silly goose

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Anonymous birthcontrolfairy 11h

Yes more people need to learn that they’re not as reversible as they tell us!! It’s a great, minimally invasive, permanent bc option for men who are sure they don’t want kids! If they’re not sure, they should freeze their sperm or use other forms of bc

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Anonymous #4 11h

A vasectomy is like 4K max and delivering a baby can get as high as 27k

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Anonymous #4 11h

Adoption is a great option you just have to qualify for it if you make enough money and from a nice household

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Anonymous #10 11h

The choices here aren’t vasectomy or child birth 😭 there are much easier birth control usages and no one should be forced to have a procedure in order to have an opinion on killing a human life yall are insane

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Anonymous #4 10h

People are crazy these days like insane. Why did someone back in the day decide birth control was bad and RAPING is good WTH

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Anonymous #9 10h

How is an example of it being reversible at all relevant to the fact that they aren’t always reversible. How did your comment get 9 upvotes bro 🤣. Obviously there are plenty examples of it working fine.

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Anonymous #9 10h

You guys are just saying whatever you can atp

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Anonymous #4 10h

You appeared to be a bit confused about why they were bringing it up - so I explained it for you since you couldn’t put those pieces together :)

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Anonymous #9 10h

I mean I’m still confused because it’s absolutely useless to bring up…

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Anonymous #9 10h

You are trying really hard for a gotch ya 😭

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Anonymous #4 9h

I’m not trying hard for anything I’m just responding to your comment, and you’re clearly still confused😭

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Anonymous #9 8h

Yes I am confused. Confused why someone would give one example of a vasectomy being reversed successfully as a response to my claim of them not always being successfully reversed. One example is absolutely pointless. I could give one example of it not working and it wouldn’t mean anything either. So please tell me why I shouldn’t be confused? Or are you just defending an idiotic comment

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Anonymous birthcontrolfairy 8h

What are the existing methods that women can trust? Men poke holes in condoms. They also have been known to make it so the pill for the morning after does not work? I’ve had a man tell me it was morning after and it ended up being a small ibuprofen pill- I was lucky enough not to get pregnant. Also what if the condom breaks? Like fr if there are other existing options lmk

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Anonymous #4 8h

Then why do you or any other person get the right to tell a woman she can’t have an abortion? If a man says women can’t have abortions, then we can say they have to have vasectomies. If they want to control us, we can control them. If they don’t control us, then we don’t control them. That’s the whole point of this post. Control means control.

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Anonymous #12 8h

If you don’t want to be told to get one, then don’t tell a woman she can’t abort the fetus

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Anonymous #12 8h

Amen

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Anonymous #12 1h

Because there is a human inside of the woman. Abortion involves the act of killing a human life. The government doesn’t allow you to use your body to go stab someone do they?

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Anonymous #12 1h

It’s not about men controlling woman’s bodies or woman controlling men’s bodies. It’s about the moral question of is it right to kill a fetus. You are completely ignoring the third party that is being murdered by the woman in this situation

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Anonymous #12 59m

Once again. People who are arguing for abortion do everything they can to make arguments that don’t even focus on the main moral question of abortion. Which is: is it wrong to kill an unwanted fetus? If so what gives it less value? At what time does it gain value?

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