Anonymous slutty_anakin 1w

as someone who now has to be an adult with no money and no resources no support bc I grew up poor asf, I don’t agree💀 I absolutely think we should shame poor people for having children, or at least the ones TRYING to

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Anonymous slutty_anakin 1w

if you're extremely poor and have kids that's lowkey selfish ngl

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Anonymous slutty_anakin 1w

I feel like you are deliberately ignoring the obvious point of this post so you can talk more

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Anonymous slutty_anakin 1w

i agree tbh and i think a lot of you are missing the point they’re trying to make. this is the same argument ppl try to make about ppl with mental illnesses or disabilities being shamed for wanting children. granted there are always exceptions such as if the child’s life is at serious risk, but otherwise if anything we should push for programs and funding towards ensuring poorer households have the resources to support their children and give them the same opportunities as anyone else.

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Anonymous #5 1w

yall have to realize that the government is currently villainizing and dehumanizing poor people especially rn, and blaming them for conditions clearly set and controlled by the government. federal minimum wage is $7 and has been since 2009, yet cost of living continues to rise and more ppl are struggling to keep up. this is on purpose. the wealth gap is at its highest level in decades. and now this administration is withholding programs to support poorer households.

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Anonymous #6 1w

bean soup theory

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Anonymous OP 1w

bro what

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Anonymous #6 1w

look it up. you mentioned something irrelevant to this post, bc that’s not what i’m talking about. a very specific set of circumstances does not change or invalidate what I said in this post

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Anonymous OP 1w

i see, valid but also i haven’t even gone through this so im not thinking “what about me” im thinking “what about everyone else” cuz you never know people’s circumstances

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Anonymous #6 1w

I agree with what you said, there is certain circumstances which it’s not fair to judge

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Anonymous OP 1w

indeed, and thanks for letting me know what that meant lmao 😭

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Anonymous #5 1w

I feel like its different to say everyone DESERVES to be able to have a child if they so desire, but the child doesn’t deserve to be brought into such a bad situation. This country is already scary enough to bring a child into, and knowing that you will not be able to give the child a good life or even an acceptable one should be enough for you to not have one to start with because it’s such an obviously bad choice no matter how bad the gov is. you KNOW the gov is bad.

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Anonymous slutty_anakin 1w

slutty anakin with the based take

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Anonymous #4 1w

i agree that every child deserves a good life but that’s exactly why the focus should be on fixing the systems that make life hard, not telling poor ppl they shouldn’t have kids. saying ppl should give up on having families because the government fails them is just giving in to that failure instead of challenging it. poverty isn’t a reflection of someone’s ability to love, raise, or care for a child. it’s a reflection of how unequal our society is.

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Anonymous #4 1w

and yes, we all know the government is bad, it’s only getting worse for everyone—but the answer isn’t to limit poor people’s choices even more or dehumanize them for wanting a family. that’s exactly what the system benefits from, and we shouldn’t give it that power. if we truly believe every child deserves a good life, we should be fighting to make that possible for all families, not deciding who gets to have one.

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Anonymous slutty_anakin 1w

Ty because why the fuck have I seen so many eugenicist takes in the past couple years

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Anonymous OP 1w

We should also prob point out that poor people also have more unplanned pregnancy due to lack of family planning resources . . .

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Anonymous OP 1w

Like sure I wouldn't be trying for kids if I couldn't afford to support them but people have kids accidents happen and weather or not you think it's right or wrong poor children will exist so maybe we need up our social programs and fix our broken system rather than blame people for the system that is built to go against them

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Anonymous OP 1w

I think it's kind of dumb to exclude these circumstances though because it makes up a lot of the reasons

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Anonymous #10 1w

it’s not dumb to exclude certain circumstances if they aren’t the point of the conversation

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Anonymous OP 1w

Roe v Wade was overturned and birth control fails. It’s not bean soup, it is reality

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Anonymous #12 1w

They pertain to the point tho. You're leaving out key determining factors so that's just a bad argument then

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Anonymous #10 1w

no they don’t. if the topic is ‘don’t have kids you can’t afford’ that so obviously doesn’t include those who are raped

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Anonymous #12 1w

i think it’s relevant to the topic personally because at that point you can’t choose whether you have the child or not

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Anonymous #6 1w

and that’s exactly why it’s not relevant. bc the topic is about those who do know that they aren’t able to afford children and choose to have them anyway. not about those who don’t have a choice

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Anonymous #12 1w

accidents also happen all the time, even to ppl with money. i know the point you’re talking about the specific circumstance that they actively choose to have children, but the reality is poor women are significantly more likely to have unintended pregnancies. you have to account for the fact that these women often have less access to consistent and affordable contraception and less education, bc that’s the reality of this conversation. it’s not bean soup, it’s nuance.

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Anonymous #12 1w

You cannot examine this though without examining the systemic factors that contribute to the issue. I'd also argue that people who are in deep poverty are not trying to have kids as much as you think they are

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Anonymous slutty_anakin 1w

Yes we should push harder to support all children we should also encourage people to aim for responsible & informed creation. Higher family counts in improvised people is often the result of lack of education, financial literacy, & also misinformation / lack of access to birth control. This then results in poorer living conditions for the children being created due to higher living expenses that put more strain on families and government funding keeping them improvished.

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Anonymous #12 1w

thank u bro someone with a brain. obviously this post does not pertain to anyone who gets pregnant against their will or even by accident. I was talking about people ( like my parents) who had 4 children that they could not care for, and now i’m suffering the consequences

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Anonymous #9 1w

I think people are misunderstanding that this post isn’t about that. it’s about the people who CHOOSE to “build a family” knowing they can’t support it and have no plan or never change their circumstances

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Anonymous #8 1w

agreed. i’m so sick of the “everyone deserves the right to start a family” it’s so selfish of a very poor person to use the excuse of wanting to build a family, to bring multiple lives into this world that are doomed to suffer. Because it’s a very small percentage of people that grew up poor with no support who are able to turn that around and become successful.

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Anonymous OP 1w

growing up without enough support really does leave lasting effects. but calling poor people selfish for having kids oversimplifies the real issue. that’s why this post is controversial and even problematic. most low-income families don’t actually have more kids than anyone else, the problem is that our system makes raising any child extremely hard. blaming individuals just shifts focus away from the lack of support families need. you deserved better support, not less family.

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Anonymous #5 1w

no one said it’s only the individuals fault, obviously it’s the system. that’s literally the case with EVERY problem we have?? it’s a given.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Exactly. I agree with you 100%. Children aren’t a right. And I’m not saying there aren’t people who come from low income families that can’t make it and be successful/happy. BUT, they’ll 100% always have it harder to some degree & in some aspect because they come from so little. It’s not ideal. And it’s just common sense. Sometimes adoption centers for ANIMALS won’t even let you take one home if they feel you can’t care for it. A HUMAN child has 1000 more needs

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Anonymous OP 1w

right, but poor ppl not having children doesn’t solve the problem that poor ppl will exist and suffer regardless without support. if we really want fewer kids growing up in situations like yours, the things that have been proven to work are affordable childcare, living wages, housing support, easy access to healthcare and birth control, child tax credits and food support. when those exist, child poverty drops, like we literally saw in 2021 when child poverty was cut nearly in half in one year.

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Anonymous #5 1w

I agree with literally all of this?? I want all of this to be the case? We will never be at peace with the world we currently live in. BUT my point is, this is the situation. Most of us as individuals do not have the power to change anything, and as a collective none of us can agree on shit so we don’t get anywhere. My point is, with the situation we are in right now, it’s selfish to choose to have children when ur poor. Yes we want the world and its systems to change, but they aren’t rn so…

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Anonymous #5 1w

yes we should as a society and our government should be working to change this. But with the way things are right now, making the deliberate choice to have children knowing you cannot financially support them, is wrong.

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Anonymous OP 1w

i understand and respect your opinion in regards to our current circumstances, a lot of ppl are not safe rn and even more are at risk. millions of families could unexpectedly fall into poverty at any moment and there would be little support for them. but i’m sorry, i can’t call poor ppl selfish or resent them for wanting a family in spite of their conditions. we need realistic solutions.

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Anonymous OP 1w

That’s not what the post said though. It said that poor people shouldn’t have children. “That’s it.”

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Anonymous #9 1w

do you know the character count for posts? also it’s common sense to not have to elaborate on every little detail. it’s simple? if you are poor- don’t choose to have children ✅

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Anonymous OP 1w

Blaming it on character count is crazy work be fr 😭 especially when you just clarified by adding two words.

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Anonymous #9 1w

Spend that energy you’re using to judge poor people on condemning the system that forces them to have larger families that they can’t afford. The “poor people shouldn’t have kids” takes are not productive for anyone but neoliberals who frame systemic issues and childhood hunger as “personal responsibility”

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Anonymous #9 1w

bro PLEASE tell me how you would have liked me to phrase this post while including every little niche circumstance? like no actually write me a fully thought out think piece if that’s what you think I should’ve done. Ppl got the premise of what I said, that’s why there’s so many upvotes😭

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Anonymous #9 1w

ain’t a character count thing, it’s that you’re choosing to be argumentative when the actual meaning is very clear and you just want to whine about “well what about everyone you’re NOT talking about” bc you can’t understand context clues

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Anonymous #9 1w

no one said that. actually if you look through the comments, i’m literally AGREEING that the system is the problem. yet that shit’s not getting fixed overnight or honestly not anytime soon. So for the people who CAN make the choice, choose not to.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Read what I said again: you just added two words (choose to) and it fixed most of the problem. But again, I don’t really think it was even a productive point in the first place because this is ultimately a systemic problem, not a matter of poor people being morally bad or whatever.

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Anonymous #4 1w

how am I being argumentative😭 you came here to point out the bigger picture which is obvious bro. like obviously the prison system is fucked and there’s way too many wrongly incarcerated people, yet we still encourage people not to do things that will get them in jail?? hello?

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Anonymous #9 1w

no one said poor people are morally bad, this post literally came from me having a mental breakdown over the fact that I’m poor and I’ve always been poor and I’ve never been given any support or resources and now I’m an adult and I’m expected to just have a good paying job in an apartment with no way of actually knowing how to get there, because my parents were poor and should never have reproduced.

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Anonymous #4 1w

Why are you talking to me about character count? I’m not even the one who brought it up? Also there are no context clues to be “understood” here. The post deadass just said poor people shouldn’t have kids.

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Anonymous #9 1w

how you gonna say those two things in the same post, when I never said anything about context clues… you did 😭I basically said use ur common sense and realize that this one sentence post obviously doesn’t include every intricacy?

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Anonymous OP 1w

And so what? You just came here to shame people then?

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