Anonymous #1 6w

How?

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Anonymous OP 6w

they don’t experience girlhood. they didn’t grow up as a girl. to say they have a more beautiful understanding than the people who are literally born and raised as girls makes absolutely no sense

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Anonymous #1 6w

Do you believe that trans people only discover they’re trans after they reach adulthood?

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Anonymous #1 6w

Well they said womanhood and many trans women did experience girl hood as a child? They’re not any less of a woman than us cis women so I don’t get the issue

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Anonymous #4 6w

We all experience womanhood in different ways and that doesn’t mean that one is better than the other. We’re all equal as women.

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Anonymous #4 6w

And the fact that that person said trans womanhood is more beautiful bc cis women tend to be more afraid and talk about their fears about being a woman whereas trans women tend to talk about their newfound softness?? And that cis women’s fear of SA and talk of misogyny is “programming??” Like what are we saying?

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Anonymous #4 6w

Like cis women fearing systemic violence that has been perpetuated onto us our entire lives is not propaganda. That is our literal lived experience and god forbid we talk about it instead of only talking about the nice parts of womanhood. Jesus Christ,

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Anonymous #2 6w

when they discover it doesn’t matter. they’ll never experience true girl/womanhood

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Anonymous #4 6w

Not to mention that neither of them are trans!!

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Anonymous #4 6w

This comment pissed me off the most. Like what the fuck

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Anonymous #4 6w

Wow Once again cis women being dragged, for biological men nonetheless They don’t even see the irony

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Anonymous OP 6w

First off what is wonanhood? You need to define that first and list things that add to it. Because I would say that getting your period is a PART of womanhood that trans women will neverrrrr have experienced. Boobs, shaving, makeup, facing misogyny through the eyes of a girl Like bro I support trans people but you can’t play in everyone’s faces like this

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Anonymous #3 6w

Play in everyone’s face, what 😭 I think womanhood is exactly how they described it? And why does that matter? Some cis women never get a period like that doesn’t make them any less women? Women experience all different kinds of things, we’re not a monolith. Like that was their point And sorry but my boobs, shaving, makeup have nothing to do with my womanhood and trans women face misogyny too

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Anonymous #3 6w

The terfs? Yeah agreed

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Anonymous #1 6w

This is just blatant transphobia, I don’t understand yall

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Anonymous #4 6w

If you actually heard them out for what they were trying to say you’d see that wasn’t the point they were making. Trans women are more marginalized than us, they often do experience a more beautiful womanhood than the gender roles and stereotypes baked into cis women

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Anonymous OP 6w

And some humans are born without an arm, but if I asked you to draw a human you would probably draw them with 2arms Just because SOME women don’t EVER get their period doesn’t take away from the fact that they are a part of womanhood. Your arguments fall because if periods, makeup, shaving, boobs, dresses, facing misogyny, skirts, hair/braiding, etc have nothing to do with womanhood, then WHAT DOES??????

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Anonymous OP 6w

there is nothing transphobic about saying someone who was born a boy and lived and experienced life and society as a boy/man will never truly understand what someone who was born a girl and lived and experienced life as a girl/woman. it’s just basic facts

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Anonymous #1 6w

They’re going through psychosis or something 😭

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Anonymous #3 6w

My point is that many cis women don’t experience a lot of things that are considered part of womanhood bc we’re all different and not a mo monolith I said boobs, shaving and makeup have nothing to do with my womanhood not misogyny 😭 like how reductive and insulting is that. Dresses?? Anyone can wear a dress, this sounds like what a conservative thinks womanhood is. Braiding now too?? I’ve never been able to braid, what does that have to do with womanhood. So strange

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Anonymous #1 6w

They weren’t born a boy tho, yall really sound like maga… and lots of cis women would not be able to understand my own personal experience bc all women are different!! And face different challenges

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Anonymous #3 6w

no seriously. don’t even get me started on the trans women that say they get periods from hormones

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Anonymous OP 6w

they were born a boy. they may not feel like a boy but to say they weren’t born as one is just complete shit lmfao

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Anonymous OP 6w

Oh my god😭 HELP ME If we are not a MONOLITH, how can people tell cis woman that transwomen understand/practice womanhood better than we do? Plus not everything has to apply to you, think criticallyyyyyyy.

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Anonymous #3 6w

They said “tend to” as a critique on gender roles and the patriarchy not on all cis women holy shit. I just cannot imagine be this offended over something like this. Why do you feel so threatened by trans women, they’re not taking away from your own womanhood And she literally never said they understand or practice it better than us, you’re just trying to be offended And that’s exactly my point, think critcallyyyyyy

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Anonymous OP 6w

If you actually read what I said and understood it, you’d realize why I’m against that being said.

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Anonymous #4 6w

Yeah bc you missed their point

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Anonymous OP 6w

everyone has their own personal experiences which is why that’s not what we’re talking about!!!

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Anonymous OP 6w

No. I understand what they’re trying to say. I disagree with it. Cis womanhood is not centered around male violence like they’re suggesting. That is insulting.

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Anonymous #4 6w

That is NOT what they said 😭

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Anonymous OP 6w

It literally says in the subtitles “transwomen have a more beautiful understanding…” THAT is why a lot of people are offended They critique gender roles and the patriarchy but what do transwomen do to become women? Dress more “feminine”, gets boobs, makeup, etc

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Anonymous #4 6w

They were referring to specifically the fear of trans women in bathrooms raping them

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Anonymous OP 6w

Yeah it is lol. They said that when cis women talk about womanhood, they always mention male violence being perpetuated against them and that that is falling victim to propaganda, whereas trans women talk about that softness that they’ve discovered in transitioning, and that that’s more beautiful. That is exactly what they said.

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Anonymous #3 6w

Do you listen to the whole thing? When they expand their point, it’s 100% accurate And that is not the experience of all trans women

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Anonymous #4 6w

Read the reply below

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Anonymous OP 6w

“The problem that we have is is that men are going to rape and that women are fearing that their whole lives. And when trans women talk about their womanhood, they talk about it in this beautiful, expansive way.” Direct quote

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Anonymous #4 6w

Yes if you listen to the whole thing they were referring to the whole trans women in bathrooms thing and this fear that they’re gonna rape women

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Anonymous OP 6w

Trans women do not experience womanhood more beautifully than cis women do just because cis women are afraid of violence and talk about it more. Trans women also experience extreme violence at the hands of men.

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Anonymous OP 6w

At first, and then they went on to talk about women’s fear of men in general. I understand what they were trying to say and I disagree.

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Anonymous #4 6w

Exactly!! The first part is not what they were trying to say bc trans women face more violence, thinkkk about it

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Anonymous OP 6w

Yep And its disingenuous to cis woman Transwomen have a positive and enthusiastic outlook on femininity because they haven’t lived their entire lives as women. So tone deaf

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Anonymous #1 6w

Than what are you talking about !!! Bc yall are trying to make womanhood a monolith

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Anonymous #1 6w

Feel? Just acknowledge that you’re transphobic

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Anonymous OP 6w

If you’re born a boy you’re born a boy? You have a dick and ball? Are you arguing with basic biology?😭 And don’t bring up intersex or anomalies please

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Anonymous #3 6w

We’re talking about gender?? Not sex…

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Anonymous OP 6w

Then why are they talking about male violence against cis women as propaganda? And why are they saying that women are allowing that? Thinkkkkk about it

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Anonymous #4 6w

They did not say the existence of SA against women is propaganda? Allowing it? What Thinkkkkkk about it

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Anonymous OP 6w

Let me try again If they’re born a MALE then they are a MALE, with DICK, BALLS and NO uterus. Unfortunately because of that they have more likely than not, been raised as a BOY

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Anonymous #3 6w

You said boy/man. Nothing about sex. These are two different things

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Anonymous OP 6w

They literally did say that. They said that trans women talk about their femininity as soft and a discovery and that she doesn’t feel that from cis women right now because propaganda and programming of male violence is so strong. I just watched it again.

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Anonymous #4 6w

OP is going mad

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Anonymous OP 6w

i fear common sense should tell you we were talking about sex

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Anonymous #4 6w

Yes it’s true!! We don’t feel that rn bc of what the patriarchy is imposing on us and with many cis women partaking in strict gender roles. What’s controversial about that

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Anonymous #3 6w

Sorry just not a terf, I will always be an ally of trans women

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Anonymous #1 6w

No we’re talking about trans GENDER women? That’s the topic of the post. What 😭

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Anonymous OP 6w

So instead of saying transwomen are fortunate enough to not feel what we feel, we say they have a better understanding of womanhood?

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Anonymous OP 6w

you have to be rage baiting rn like there’s genuinely no way you’re like this fr

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Anonymous #3 6w

They said nothing about understanding

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Anonymous #1 6w

Sorry you have to get out of your conservative bubble ig

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Anonymous OP 6w

ITS LITERALLY IN THE CAPTIONS OF THIS PICTURE POST😭

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Anonymous #3 6w

Yeah those are a couple words out of a minutes long point!!

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Anonymous OP 6w

Because it’s insinuating that cis women’s womanhood isn’t as beautiful bc violence is perpetuated against them so extremely? Like how can you not see how awful that is to say?

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Anonymous #4 6w

That is not what their point is at all. You guys are purposely misconstruing their point to target trans women with your harmful rhetoric

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Anonymous OP 6w

Its the essence of the point Transwomen talk about their femininity as soft because they dont go through what we as a collective go through, giving them a alleged more “beautiful understanding” THAT IS THE MESSAGE Now you wanna backtrack and say those “couple words” dont count?

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Anonymous OP 6w

I love trans women and I’ve made it clear that I support trans women. I simply think that it’s wrong to say that trans women have a more beautiful understanding of womanhood than cis women just because cis women have been beaten down by patriarchy their whole lives is awful.

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Anonymous #4 6w

THANK YOU OP calling us terds and conservatives for this

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Anonymous OP 6w

im absolutely not a conservative. if people wanna be trans, that’s their business. what im not gonna accept is being told that someone who was born and raised a boy has a better or more beautiful understanding of womanhood than i do. that’s just straight bullshit

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Anonymous #1 6w

BULLSEYE

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Anonymous #3 6w

Yeah bc they go thru WAYYY worse?? That is not their point just bc you want to believe so Bc I’m focusing on the entirety of their point, not a couple words taken out of context?

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Anonymous OP 6w

That WAS the context Of course they have struggles??? What we’re displeased with is being told they have a more beautiful understanding of womanhood, THATS ALLLLLL. THATS LITERALLY IT. How are you not understanding that

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Anonymous #4 6w

YES THIS!!! they benefited from the same system that punched us down. then they wanna turn around and use it against us

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Anonymous #1 6w

I want to make it clear that I am not faulting trans women in this at all. I simply disagree with what ER fightmaster is saying

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Anonymous #3 6w

Your welcome! Now take in this information and reflect

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Anonymous #1 6w

No they didn’t, ur absolutely delusional and paranoid

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Anonymous #1 6w

Literally how you’re referring to them IS incredibly transphobic. Trying to deny their gender and identity

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Anonymous #3 6w

Bc that is not their point of you listen to the whole thing. How many times do I have to repeat this

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Anonymous OP 6w

“MORE beautiful understanding” That part is the problem That denies us CIS woman our identity and struggles

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Anonymous #3 6w

No it doesn’t; you’re just very insecure in your womanhood

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Anonymous OP 6w

You need help

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Anonymous OP 6w

Womanhood isn’t a monolith

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Anonymous OP 6w

you are like clinically insane

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Anonymous #1 6w

U need to get out of your right wing bubble, you and 3 are like the most transphobic ppl I’ve talked to in a while

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Anonymous #3 6w

Exactly

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Anonymous #3 6w

You need to go to a deradicalization center

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Anonymous OP 6w

lmao

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