Anonymous #1 1w

literally

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Anonymous #2 1w

there is no evidence of me being raped and i was raped. i don’t need to go to court for the people around me to believe me.

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Anonymous #3 1w

That’s absolutely fine with you on a personal level and with those around you who have the direct knowledge to be able to form a reliable opinion. On a great societal level, we should speak in objective terms. Those objective terms are evidence.

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Anonymous #4 1w

Yeah that’s the foundational principle of our criminal justice system for a reason. Trials can’t be held in the court of public opinion. That’s what third world countries do.

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Anonymous #2 1w

they were in highschool to

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Anonymous #2 1w

on a societal level, i don’t really give a fuck if you believe victims or not. but it’s a pretty good litmus test for choosing if i will ever be around you or not.

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Anonymous #4 1w

The fact that people are downvoting this is insane

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Anonymous #7 1w

yupppp insane

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Anonymous #4 1w

and she never got any repercussions

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Anonymous #4 1w

I got false accusations my senior year by my ex-girlfriend, who I refused to do anything with because I wanted to wait till marriage. I had to drop out of public school, everyone believed her, she was older than me, and she had caused two guys before. It was proven in court that she lied, she refused to provide evidence that would clear me. The detectives dropped criminal charges because there was no evidence, and there was actually evidence against her.

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Anonymous #7 1w

false accusations can ruin someones life and its disgusting to think otherwise

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Anonymous #7 1w

Her messages were seized and it was shown that her friends and her were planning how to make this the worst for me, and there were texts between them admitting I didn’t do anything, and that she was mad that I didn’t want to have sex with her. Yet everyone believed her.

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Anonymous #7 1w

Yep but everyone in here is “believe everyone regardless of the evidence.” That’s the type of thinking that belongs in third world countries without due process.

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Anonymous #3 1w

It’s also a good litmus test for seeing who does and does not give a fuck about due process.

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Anonymous #7 1w

bullshit im sorry that happened to you no one deserves it no matter what side

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Anonymous #3 1w

It’s also engrained in your message that you have automatically labeled ANYONE who makes an accusation a victim, but that’s just not the case AND you’re wholly ignoring due process. Victims deserve justice. Improving knowledge on what to do to obtain evidence after an SA, instead of just saying “believe all women,” will help them obtain justice.

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Anonymous #2 1w

If Jeffery Epstein was a woman they would back/support him.

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Anonymous #2 1w

well it’s a good thing that due process has absolutely nothing to do with what random people in society think. i’ve made it very clear that I’m not talking about the judicial system.

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Anonymous #7 1w

wild statement considering that literally nobody supports ghislaine maxwell

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Anonymous #4 1w

I am so, so, so sorry for your loss and for what happened to your friend. There are bad men just as much as there is bad women. False accusations are real, and I won't dissmis that. Our system does protect the accused with very little rights victims that are survivors of very heinous crimes. I believe we can still have a system that protects the accused, while paving rights for victims as well. Who really aren't protected by much in a system based on innocent until proven guilty.

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Anonymous #4 1w

If I was the family of the deceased I would definitely consider filing a wrongful death suit on her. Thank you for opening up this discussion.

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Anonymous #3 1w

Public opinion is directly interlinked with prosecutorial discretion. A person can be indicted on mere probable cause. You cannot isolate one from the other in a system run by public trial and trial by “a jury of your peers.” That’s to say that the public being driven by emotion rather than logic and evidence does undermine due process.

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Anonymous #8 1w

it was a few years ago now so im not sure if they did anything about it. he never got to graduate because of her

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Anonymous #4 1w

I’d sue for slander, wrongful death, and anything covering the words malicious intent

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Anonymous #2 1w

you’re saying things that just have nothing to do with my original comment. i never reported my rapist. i never pursued legal action and i never will. and you don’t have to believe me. that’s what my original comment is about.

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Anonymous #3 1w

So you didn’t do anything to make you as unbelievable as possible, you might just be the most intelligent person ever

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Anonymous #7 1w

i’ve read as many as the texts and transcripts from the cornell case as i could and literally nothing makes me think that she’s lying. for all i know, she fucking could be. but the shit that people are pointing to as a “gotcha” just isn’t proof of anything.

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Anonymous #3 1w

So have you read the messages of her saying it was consensual, that she enjoyed it, and that she wanted to do it again. What about the messages of her trying to go to another Chi Phi party right after the events?

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Anonymous #3 1w

ive seen some where it makes me think shes just trying to protect her reputation. She said “luv you king” to one of them AFTER it happened. and she consented to all the activities that happened and never once took it back. they were all on drugs.

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Anonymous #7 1w

a man texts her apologizing for the night before. she says (paraphrasing) “none of the sexual stuff was actually illegal” what part of that implies consent to you? if it was a consensual instance of group sex, why would he be apologizing to her? why would there be any thought of whether consensual sex was had or not?

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Anonymous #4 1w

EVEN IF (big if) she had consensual sex with 7 different men, she did not consent to pictures of her being sent and she did not consent to an open invitation to use her drugged body for sex to be sent to 50 additional men.

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Anonymous #7 1w

you’re also a man in a group that exists as a safe space for women arguing about rape, so i don’t really know why i’m even trying to explain consent to you.

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Anonymous #3 1w

Argument filled with fallacies

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Anonymous #7 1w

i’m not replying to this thread anymore because it’s genuinely triggering for me. have the day you deserve

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Anonymous #6 1w

Also who would make one up?

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Anonymous #9 1w

My ex

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Anonymous #7 1w

what did you do to make her think that it was okay to accuse you? maybe you said or did something that made her think that you wanted that.

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Anonymous #5 1w

what the actual fuck

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Anonymous #3 1w

he was probably alone with her too 🙄 men

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Anonymous #3 1w

I told her I wanted to wait till marriage and pushed her off of me 3 times. She kept trying to get in me so I left the house.

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Anonymous #7 1w

Get on me*

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Then if you get raped it’s your fault for putting yourself in that position. How does that sound to you?

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Anonymous #7 1w

that the point that i’m making, you absolute douche.

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Anonymous #9 1w

Advising “believe all women” doesn’t help obtain justice. They will be under a false impression that a conviction can be obtained on mere accusation. What will actually help victims obtain justice is telling people what to do to preserve and obtain evidence after an SA. Our system is founded on due process and a fundamental component of that is that the state must have sufficient evidence to prove a case BRD.

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Anonymous #3 1w

You expect me to know you’re being sarcastic over text? Just type what you mean

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Anonymous #7 1w

Rape and false accusations are two completely different things

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Anonymous #7 1w

oh you’re one of those

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Anonymous #1 1w

Both get you ostracized from your community, both stop you from having jobs, both have you being interrogated, both have you paying for lawyers and going to court, both have you giving DNA tests

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Anonymous #7 1w

Bro gets assaulted and women say it’s his fault what the hell is this double standard. You bitches are nuts.

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Anonymous #12 1w

exactly as a women thats disgusting

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Anonymous #3 1w

yeah ngl the sarcasm wasn’t hitting you kinda just sounded like an asshole. I get the point you were trying to make but when someone tells you they got raped your response shouldn’t be trying to make the conversation a point about something else. all victims should be treated with empathy

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Anonymous #5 1w

i have NEVER been given nor given tips on this whoever your brother got this info from needs to get locked up ngl

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Anonymous #5 1w

It kinda just sounds like your brother and his friends are weird as fuck, cause never in my life has this happened

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Anonymous #6 1w

how do you know if they're false if they never go to trial? this is why estimates vary widely on how many are false. in order to get to that number, you'd at least have to separate out allegations that the putative victim formally retracted, allegations that the victim didn't want to push forward because the legal process would be traumatic, allegations where prosecutors dropped charges because it was a he-said, she-said, etc.

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Anonymous #14 1w

the original source for 2% seems to be a feminist writer loosely quoting a judge who made the statement at a bar association meeting. more recently there was a study that is generally considered the standard in the US saying 5.9%, but because of the small sample size the MOE was between 2 and 10 percent.

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Anonymous #7 1w

if i knew u should know

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Anonymous #3 1w

shut up you dumb bitch

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Anonymous #12 1w

It’s not a double standard if it’s what woman already experience. Or do you think women don’t already get told it’s their fault?? And he’s only getting those clearly unserious snarky responses because he’s ignorantly posting it here…

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Anonymous #20 1w

So you’re a rape apologist? Do you people not see the hypocrisy?

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Anonymous #12 1w

Please, I’d love an explanation on how I’m a rape apologists. Pointing out that women already get called liars for saying they’re raped is me being a “rape apologist”? Or is it because I pointed out that he’s a man on a page specifically for women arguing about rape and receiving snarky comments because of that that makes me a “rape apologist”?

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Anonymous #22 1w

i did not but thanks

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Anonymous #3 1w

“What was she wearing?” Ass question

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Anonymous #25 1w

According ti the law it’s actually the exact opposite

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Anonymous #19 1w

Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit, huh?

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Anonymous #7 1w

The law oftentimes clashes with morality.

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Anonymous #3 1w

You gotta be some type of stupid…

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Anonymous #28 1w

What

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Anonymous #26 1w

That statement is contradictory

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Anonymous #7 1w

How so? There’s two outcomes according to y’all. Either the woman is lying or the man is a rapist. I’d rather side with the woman from the get go, even if I end up siding with a liar 1% of the time. If you are ambivalent or side with the man, you’re siding with a rapist 99% of the time.

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Anonymous #26 1w

False dichotomy. Those aren’t the only two positions. Contrary to the behavior of the internet lately, people don’t actually HAVE to pick an opinion before the evidence is revealed.

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Anonymous #2 1w

If you don’t side with either, you’re siding with the abuser.

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Anonymous #26 1w

Logical fallacy

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Anonymous #26 1w

No, no you’re not. You’re being a responsible civic citizen who speaks in objective evidence and not in emotion. If once the evidence comes out and you still do not side with a person shown to be a victim, THEN you side with an abuser.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Sorry but I don’t wait for evidence to come out to support victims. If someone comes to me saying they were raped, I’m not asking for evidence before I support them. Obviously it’s different if I’m on a jury or writing an opinion piece in the local paper and so forth. But I don’t have a civic duty to accumulate evidence before believing any single victim that comes forward. And it’s mindsets like that which prevent victims from coming forward.

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Anonymous #26 1w

If there is insufficient evidence, it is possible that there is no victim, or that the accused is the victim. Rare, yes, but it does happen

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Anonymous #14 1w

When a friend tells you someone backed into their car and went off without leaving their info, do you demand that they show proof, accuse them of trying to ruin someone else’s life, etc? Or do you say ‘Gosh that sucks, that person’s an asshole’?

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