Anonymous #1 9w

You know cis is an adjective right? I mean if you’d prefer to be called trans um congrats on coming out?

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Anonymous OP 9w

it is an adjective, good job! usually the default doesn’t require a modifying adjective but if you’re comparing me to someone trans specifically and noting the difference, totally valid

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I mean, you could come up with an alternative name for it I guess? Like the way one might say plus sized instead? it’s also not really a spectrum either. You either cis or you’re trans but on the rare occasion it comes up- why is it imperative that only trans women get a qualifier? It’s like being like NO IM NOT TALL IM A WOMAN you want ppl to respect ur heights and shortness and whatever but don’t seem to understand when we don’t like being called tall.

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Anonymous #1 9w

The default doesn’t require a modifying adjective? Why is this never a discussion with being called straight then? I also have never known a single time in which being referred to as the default has ever been good. white men were considered the default and now we don’t have safe seat belts for women or quality healthcare. I think you’re the majority for sure but trading a group like the “default” tends to have consequences

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ooh we got a cis woman feeling fiesty

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i knew that was coming 🐒

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im also cis and straight but nice try babes!!

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Well, yeah, your gender is a woman. No one is saying it’s not. Trans cis tall short fat skinny black white women are all women 🤷‍♂️ I mean it’s not even like these adjectives really come up often unless the context of a situation specifies it. I mean why is cis seen as so bad? And what would you prefer to be called? A non-trans woman? A woman identifying w AFAB status? Like what would be the better descriptor?

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Id hope that the version of god I was raised on was real- the one that was all above loving thy neighbor and loving his creations so much he lost his only son just to understand us- but if your version of God- the version of God I found in church-is real I left him bc I could never bring myself to worship a MAN? Who would have me full of hate for whatever marginalized group is the new scape goat for social ills. If he punishes me for love he was never worth a lifetime of worship.

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maybe in your small mind

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Christianity has branched out a dozen different ways and every verse of that holy book has become dozens if not hundreds of different interpretations, versions and translations- you’re branch and interpretations shape your version of God and yours may be the correct one but if I come to find unbaptized babies or Marsha p johnson in hell he was never the right one

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Anonymous OP 9w

to me it’s like if bunch of lizards start taping feathers to themselves and calling themselves wingless birds that shouldn’t mean we start just calling normal birds “winged birds” so we can make sure to imply that there are also those wingless birds - we can call them wingless birds so they feel better and more birdlike but they are still lizards

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Anonymous #1 9w

i would kill to be this stupid. i think i would feel really at peace

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Anonymous #1 9w

So the women that I’ve existed all throughout history and appear in almost every culture can’t possibly be women bc? We need to uphold postcolonial worldviews on gender? Even if you ignore trans women as valid or not it they exist and American culture has already tried to eradicate them alongside gay men during the aids epidemic and rampant hate crimes. They’re not going away anymore than gay men did or queer native peoples- so the terminology is kinda needed whether you like them or not.

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Anonymous #1 9w

Ignore the typos- you get the gist I’m on my 5 minute study break 💀

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Anonymous OP 9w

terminology is def needed when you’re comparing with trans women specifically and you need to differentiate! fully agree on that. but if you say “woman” it’s pretty safe to assume normal woman

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Anonymous #1 9w

i think trans women are “normal women” what then

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Anonymous #1 9w

Normal is so relative- what’s not normal is that you need a qualifier to differentiate women based on whatever they were born w between their legs. That’s weird. I don’t need to know that and I don’t care to know that and why would it ever be relevant? When someone says they’re a woman that’s all I need to know. They don’t need to add in the race social class age whatever. You’ve used normal and default interchangeably to mean majority and the majority of women in USA are not what define women

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Anonymous #1 9w

Also peace and love I understand that not all trans women pass but genuinely how would you know for any woman just based on looking at them what they were born with? And even if you did somehow have the most amazing trans dar (like gaydar? Idk) ever why would it matter? I don’t assume anything about a woman’s assigned gender at birth or whatever genitals she had at birth. idk why some of you guys are so obsessed with knowing that even to the point of asking invasive questions if/whe you find out

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Anonymous #3 9w

personally I just think they are fundamentally different from biological women since they do not have the same experiences growing up and existing and being a biological woman, they can be trans women but they are most definitely a different category with different shared experiences from cisgender women and that’s okay. we are all different and it’s ok to qualify our differences especially when they are so vast

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Anonymous OP 9w

I wouldn’t, im not really sure where this comment is coming from bc I never mentioned asking someone if they’re trans or not. my only point related to that was that the term “cis woman” doesn’t really need to be used unless someone who is already discussing the topic needs to compare trans women to cis women as a differentiator. this kind of feels like you didn’t really read what I said but wanted to rant about something kind of related

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Anonymous #1 9w

but everyone’s experiences are so different. i grew up physically disabled and my girlhood probably looked a lot different from yours but that doesnt make either of our backgrounds less valid

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Anonymous #1 9w

I’d say my point stands- you’re saying cis isn’t needed bc you presume that anytime someone is talking about a woman ppl will automatically presume to know what they were or weren’t born with which is weird. Why would you automatically asssume or even need to know or care about what genitals women were assigned at birth. Why make the presumption? Why is this something you actively think about?

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Anonymous #3 9w

absolutely true! I had a very different experience from many people being born IVF to a physically disabled family. but being born girls is one part of our experience that unites us and that’s what I’m trying to say, being born as a girl comes with its own unique set of experiences we can or can’t have that people not born as girls don’t have - the same way not all black or white children grow up the same, but are still part of those respective racial groups that don’t change

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Anonymous OP 9w

because words mean things and pretending they mean different things than they do mean is weird. like im not gonna say oh hey im a bird and now the meaning of the word bird has to change and not me. I see it every day so yes I do think about it - a woman came up to me at work, 6 foot 4 with a very masculine build, and pitched her voice so high she sounded like Mickey Mouse. I genuinely thought it was a bit or she was a VA trying to advertise herself. but it was just her putting on a performance

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Anonymous #1 9w

because that’s what she thinks womanhood is. imo womanhood is something you’re born into and not a costume to put on - it feels like we’re the butt of a joke in situations like that, where it’s so egregious. so that’s why im thinking about it

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Anonymous #1 9w

your lack of empathy towards trans women and inability to extend that understanding of a wide variety of girlhoods is really disappointing tbh

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Anonymous #1 9w

like someone is so unwell they think that works, that acting that way is good and right, and we’re gonna validate them by changing verbiage of people who are mentally fine and exist outside of them, as we’re being mocked? just feels weird. I’ll get banned for this ik but as someone in a lot of nerd spaces who’s been hyperliberal for years, it’s starting to feel wrong

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Anonymous #1 9w

like im not gonna tell you what to believe but i will tell you that if you really supported women you would support ALL of us not just those of us you choose

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Anonymous #1 9w

oh i knew you were a bleeding heart liberal LMAO

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Anonymous #1 9w

you disgust me honestly like your entire mentality makes you seem fucked. i wonder how it feels to carry this much hatred around

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Anonymous #1 9w

You can’t let other women exist without it being an insult to you? For every woman that you clock as trans I promise you there were at least two or three that you did not. You think that they’re putting on a performance even as they transition- gaining both the status of queer and as a woman. I can’t imagine someone giving up privileges of a man to grow a chest AND take 70 cents to a man’s dollar. They exist in almost every culture have existed throughout all of history

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Anonymous #1 9w

Why do you wish to be a part of the suppression of a group of women bc you’re definition of womanhood rooted in Eurocentric colonial rhetoric that arbitrarily draws lines in what define womanhood. You can hold onto the same viewpoint as ppl who eradicated and forcibly transformed entire cultures to fit the gender roles and perceptions of gender they had but keep in mind those same views oppress women across the board. Why must gender be policed if it’s so “mentally ill” or unnatural?

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