Anonymous #1 9w

Ugh idk I’m weirded out abt the whole idea I’m opting out of this one stay safe

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Anonymous #1 9w

Well- if you slept with a virgin man, you took his virginity. You have all the power too girl😎

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tampons can do that. it also naturally thins over time. sex on its own doesn’t change a woman

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it changes them the same way a paper cut would. do you think we should make a new word to describe someone who has never gotten a paper cut?

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…which happens naturally. hymens naturally thin as someone ages. biking or stretching or any other physical activity can cause it to weaken and tear. “once you’re open you’re open” is also such a gross way to describe it. there’s no noticeable difference in a woman before or after her hymen thins/breaks to say she’s now ‘open’

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i used that comparison to show how inconsequential both things are

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that CAN happen, but it’s not an inherent part of sex. there also isn’t any ‘breaking’ of the hymen. it weakens and thin and tears as a woman grows and goes through her life, but there’s no single moment where it breaks. theres also no possible way a dick can stretch a vagina to the point it’s permanently looser. sex can definitely be an important moment in someone’s life but the idea that it physically changes a woman in any significant way literally just isn’t true

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like correct me if i’m wrong but if your argument is that sex DOES change a woman bc it changes the state of her hymen… what does that really matter if the hymen naturally thins and there are dozens of other things that can cause it to tear that has nothing to do with sex? do you see how ridiculous that sounds to single out one single activity? do you think it’s a coincidence it’s the ONE thing that also involves men and puts them in the active role of ‘breaking’ part of a woman?

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thank you for proving my point

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Anonymous #5 9w

My point is, it’s not valid to act like having sex doesn’t matter or change an individual (it changes men as well), but it’s not something to act like has no significance. It has mental impacts on both, and more so physical effects for women, not to mention risk of infection/disease/pregnancy. My point is the post acts like virginity is a made up concept that has no value when it does, and having sex with a bunch of individuals is not good for a woman’s health.

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Anonymous #4 9w

And you can look this up but when sperm enters a woman the immune system attacks it, but when it is the same sperm from one partner the body learns to “accept” it I suppose is the term. The body doesn’t see it as foreign. But when it’s a bunch of different types of DNA it has a negative impact on a woman’s health

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Anonymous #5 9w

The point of the article that stretched hymen tissue doesn’t return to its previous state

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Anonymous #4 9w

that absolutely is not what you said at all. you made the argument that sex changes a woman because of what happens to her hymen. obviously sex can impact her life, but it doesn’t change HER AS A PERSON. virginity literally is a made up concept. can you tell with 100% certainty who around you has had sex and who hasn’t? no? i wonder why that us

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Anonymous #4 9w

what value do you think virginity has? do you think virgins are better people? do you think they deserve to be paid more at their jobs just bc they’re virgins? do you think they deserve more respect?

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Anonymous #4 9w

yes! and like i’ve said probably 30 times, WHICH THE ARTICLE ALSO STATES, the hymen can also be stretched through other activities that has nothing to do with sex

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Anonymous #5 9w

If you read what I said, I specified that it does not change a woman as a person it’s not some enlightenment, and yeah virginity is not a medical diagnosis, you cannot physically see just from appearance if someone is a virgin, but the concept of losing virginity by HAVING SEX does have physical/health related consequences, and for many individuals INCLUDING MYSELF it does impact hymen tissue

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Anonymous #4 9w

which once again brings us back to this

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Anonymous #4 9w

Acting like a hymen changes a woman. That’s like saying having a tooth pulled changes a woman. Horrible and weird logic

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Anonymous #4 9w

Let’s just forget the word virginity. Let’s just say “having sex” ok, does/can having sex alter an individual’s physical state and/or health?

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Anonymous #5 9w

It doesn’t have to be men, you keep trying to make it all about men’s doing and it is an invalid concept made by men for power, my point still stands for a lesbian couple using a strap on, it’s just the concept of the anatomy of vagina with penis-like structure, whether it is an actual penis or not

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Anonymous #4 9w

I’m lesbian and my gf and I both agree virginity is a made up concept

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Anonymous #4 9w

no one has ever said anything otherwise! but you literally said virginity has value, so i was responding to your words. and for the millionth time, yes, sex can impact the hymen. but sex is not the ONLY thing that can do that, just like sex is not the ONLY thing that can negatively (or positively) impact a woman’s health. there’s no word for people who have gotten the flu/haven’t gotten in. like i’ve already said, it’s not a coincidence the one act that involves a man regarding a woman’s body

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Anonymous #5 9w

has a whole new word for it when the difference before/after is generally negligible

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Anonymous OP 9w

omg twin <3

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Anonymous OP 9w

This is all my point really is, virginity applies to everyone regardless of gender or who you chose as a sexual partner

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Anonymous #4 9w

…who do you think invented the word? ofc i have to talk about men during this discussion. you brought them up too when you described the negative consequences of a woman having sex

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Anonymous #5 9w

But that’s the thing, it doesn’t have to be, I just didn’t get to that point yet, but STIs/STDs can be transferred to anyone, lesbian couples, gay couples, straight, etc. Having sex, which is all losing virginity is defined as, can apply to anyone

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Anonymous #4 9w

And to be clear, gay or lesbian couples can still carry or contract diseases/infections

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Anonymous #4 9w

and you define having sex as including penetration? so are people who have done everything but that still virgins? you can get stds/stis without technically having sex in that case. what unique change does sex make in a person? bc the consequences of penetration aren’t exclusive to JUST sex, and the consequences of sex aren’t exclusive to it either

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Anonymous #5 9w

Penetration has additional consequences but frankly any type of sexual activity has unique attributes, I was just using the implied context of the original post, again virginity applies to anyone

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Anonymous #4 9w

you didn’t answer my question. what unique change does sex make in a person?

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Anonymous #5 9w

The exchange of DNA that is temporarily in one’s system would be a very broad way to put it, where the immune system recognizes and adapts to it for the first time, in addition to the risk of pregnancy for opposite sex intercourse, and risk of disease can apply which that would definitely be lasting, again different forms of intercourse have different characteristics

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Anonymous #5 9w

A huge change for anyone who got pregnant is microchimerism, where the baby’s DNA crosses into the mother’s

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Anonymous #4 9w

kissing also involves an exchange of dna. does that count as sex now? do only couples who risk pregnancy count as having sex, if that’s one of its only unique characteristics? are men with vasectomies permanently virgins? what about women who have has hysterectomies? again the risk of disease is not unique to sex, so it makes no sense to create a word to describe someone before and after that takes place since… it’s not unique to that situation

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Anonymous #4 9w

okay so that’s pregnancy. not sex. do you see how those aren’t the same? you can be artificially inseminated and deal with that issue without ever having sex

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well if you wanna get real technical, the idea of virginity was invented because in early human settlements, people wanted to organize their now permanent belongings and pass them down to their offspring. women definitely knew who their offspring were, but men got pissy that they didn’t. so they’d complain until their partner said “yeah fine i swear i’ll only sleep with you or whatever”. virginity was then invented as an insurance measure for this system and enforced on future generations.

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Anonymous #1 9w

It’s because of the history with tribes and stuff Idfk

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lol yeah microbiologist here and you aren’t listening, did you even take classes, you know how there are EXCEPTIONS? also calling me a dumbass bitch isn’t very girls girl of you, yeah the subcellular level doesn’t change but do some research on how multitudes of DNA from different partners impacts health, also do you even know how or why a rape kit is performed, it’s because there is evidence left behind, do me a favor and don’t go into the medical field

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Anonymous #4 9w

You do realise hymens can “break” from just about anything, right? It’s not really a valid indication of sexual activity at all.

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Genuinely how is the idea of sex misogyny, you just want to hate on men for anything that exists don’t you

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Anonymous #4 9w

You act like the body ‘absorbs’ or keeps DNA beyond being cleaned out. It doesn’t. Rape kits require usage ASAP after assault to get that DNA as it’s cleaned out, either via intense showering or the natural vaginal/anal/oral cleansing, whichever happens first. There is a limit to the time evidence can be collected from someone’s body after an assault. They can’t be used after someone is cleaned because then it’s gone from there, not kept and held onto.

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Dude everything is rooted in history literally EVERYTHING. Why ? Because women used to have very limited rights, that’s like saying almost all of science is based on misogyny bc mostly men studied science. Yeah, there aren’t as many studies on women because of it I’ll admit that, but facts are facts

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At this point you are just excusing whoring around by saying it’s rooted in misogyny and doesn’t matter

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Anonymous #4 9w

Ah, just being outright with your misogyny. Makes sense. Better to say it than to go around in whatever circles you’ve been trying.

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Anonymous #12 9w

And you seem to be someone who doesn’t see any problem with Bonnie Blue I bet, because what lasting impacts would that have on her?

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Anonymous #4 9w

You need to find a hobby.

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Anonymous #4 9w

I’m convinced this is a man

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Nope I’m a woman, just have morals and standards

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Anonymous OP 9w

But having a tooth pulled changes people a lot.

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Anonymous #15 9w

Not on any fundamental level though like people claim virginity does 😭 let’s not be obtuse

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Anonymous #4 9w

“Morals and standards” as they’re rooted in misogyny, “ownership”, oppression, and scientific inaccuracy. 🙄

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Anonymous #4 9w

so any woman who wants to have sex before marriage or multiple partners, also you’re acting like condoms don’t exist which are extremely effective, but you are acting like anyone who has sex with multiple people is automatically a whore? like genuinely what the fuck… so having a body count of like 3 automatically makes you Bonnie Blue? regardless of how or why the term virginity was coined the way it is used most of the time RIGHT NOW is to shame women through some religion, high horse moral

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Anonymous #17 9w

standards or whatever. people look down and think ppl who aren’t a virgin or have slept with a couple people are worth less than someone who is “unbroken” as you say.

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you must be new here

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Anonymous #13 9w

no that’s so valid bc it’s so vulnerable i feel the same way

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Anonymous #8 9w

Being a virgin or not has nothing to do with a mate that could bear children, if anything they used to go for younger teenagers whose bodies were unprepared to bear a child 🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous #19 9w

Yes. It’s been 6 months and I haven’t gotten over it. Wish I had that great first time experience a lot of ppl do with their first bfs or gfs. Been abstinent since and never felt more vulnerable till after it happened. It’s ok tho lol

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Anonymous #25 9w

We get it, you think you’re some fancy guy who thinks his dick changes someone’s worth. It doesn’t. Grow the fuck up. 🤣

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Anonymous #24 9w

Cant argue with stupid 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Anonymous #12 9w

It’s cull you people out of existence. Chase virginity didn’t work because you’re here

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Anonymous #25 9w

Your dick is not special. 🤣

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Anonymous #22 9w

Was it not men who wrote the Bible??? God didn’t just magically make a book with all the information printed on it. It was men who wrote it claiming it came from god or their experience with god, but men nonetheless. And then translated countless times (mostly by men) to what it is now

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Anonymous #25 9w

Except virginity doesn’t do either of that. There is no solid way to “prove” virginity, especially centuries ago. The hymen is different for ever women, some aren’t even born with it, some break from non-sexual interactions (e.g. horseback), some degrade on their own. So how exactly could virginity rule out “liars” when a woman could not have a hymen but still be a virgin.

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Anonymous #25 9w

And nothing stops a virgin from cheating after losing their virginity. Hell, all cheaters were once virgins. There was never a way to guarantee your baby was actually yours back then unless you watched your partner 24/7. You’d never know if your genes were actually passed, virgin or not.

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Anonymous #26 9w

i mean yeah you can criticize the biblical normals as patriarchal if you want, but saying men wrote the bible isn’t proof that they invented the concept of purity. those are two different claims

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Anonymous #8 9w

Cmon

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Anonymous #12 9w

Yuh huh!!

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Nobody wants to date you, so all’s good.

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Anonymous #33 9w

Not nearly as equally.

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Brotha, yeah other factors can change the hymen, but let’s say someone has lived in a cardboard box their entire life. No bike. No sports. No nothing. If they get fucked, and LOSE THEIR VIRGINITY, their hymen is going to be altered. That is fact

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Anonymous #30 9w

No I certainly was, if it helps I couldn’t even get one of my own fingers up there, so yeah, the hymen does stretch, tear, it’s a tissue and here is a quote “if the hymen actually tears, it generally does not regenerate back into exactly the same anatomy it had beforehand”

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Anonymous #12 9w

Oh certainly not equal in social views, but it does apply

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Anonymous #4 9w

Except for the fact that it’s a useless social construct merely meant to denigrate women.

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Anonymous #30 9w

the hymen does in fact mean something.. every woman’s hymen is different and in my case i had a microperforate septate hymen that has been surgically corrected but if i attempted to have sex or even insert a tampon it wouldn’t been incredibly painful and bloody leaving scar tissue that would prevent sex from ever being enjoyable. just because you haven’t experienced that doesn’t mean other women haven’t either

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Anonymous #30 9w

i’m not disagreeing that virginity is a social construct but it’s incredibly arrogant to discount another woman’s experience. sure we’re meant to push babies out but that doesn’t mean the hymen develops properly every single time!

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Anonymous #36 9w

The hymen is the vaginal equivalent of a webbed toe. It is a meaningless skin flap that some people have and it does nothing, some people don’t have it, and yeah some people get it surgically altered. It has zero actual meaning about a person like 4 has been up in arms about. A piece of skin doing skin things doesn’t make it have some inherent value and doesn’t mean sex fundamentally changes how the vagina works like they were claiming

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Anonymous #1 9w

i think of virginity as not having slept with *anyone* not just a man. So if a woman’s first time is with another woman, then shes losing her virginity to a woman.

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Anonymous #19 9w

in my personal opinion no man ever deserves to penetrate me they are not worth that experience

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Maybe cuz penis’s don’t make women finish and aren’t necessary for sex. Also have u ever heard of a mouth, fingers, or even strap?

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Anonymous OP 9w

40 just needs to be pegged.

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You a guy?

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It’s more of sex than straight sex will ever be. Both my gf and I finish every time. And if it’s not sex then why would people be so bothered by two men fucking?

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You’re a massive pick me

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I highly doubt that.

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You are so male-centered that you think sex doesn’t exist without men

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Sounds like you’re hung up on not finishing and having a good time. 😂

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Not even close. 😂

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if another woman rubbed your vagina or fingered you without your consent, you would recognize that as sexual assault because those are sexual acts. So it doesn’t make sense to say that when two women do those exact same things consensually, it suddenly isn’t “actual sex.”

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Anonymous #12 9w

“merely meant to denigrate women” yet it’s a term frequently applied to men as well

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you’ve sounded dumb this whole conversation, sounding like a man and shit, stop being a fuckin bitch

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Yeah it’s so woke that my gf and I get each other off every time we fuck while you’re sitting there being a sex doll for random men who will never love you ❤️. My sex is more sex than yours will ever be

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So wait I can fuck as many people as I want as long as it’s gay because that’s not sex is what you’re saying? Hallelujah I’m a born again virgin 🙌 do you see how silly you sound?

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Anonymous #34 9w

I don’t think it is cuz ai is way more advanced than that lmaoo

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And other fairytales 🤣

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If it’s so healthy you wouldn’t be on here debating about what sex is and you’d be sucking his dick somewhere

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Girl honestly you sound like me before I came out. Spewing straight bullshit

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So does mine. You’re the one on here talking about sex queen

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“yall tryna be ‘woke’” can your small brain not comprehend someone having a lifestyle or opinion that doesn’t match yours? you think people are “tryna be woke”? nah you should have been swallowed

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nobody cares

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Anonymous #41 9w

Yo she def has a military bf who’s never home so she doesnt have to touch him. She’s giving massive closeted vibes or she’s just a dickhead

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If ur bf fucked a dude you’d say that’s cheating. Or is it not cuz it’s not between a man and a woman?

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Anonymous #41 9w

They probably deadass believe if you think of anything other than p in v as sex you’re woke. They’re literally using the same arguments maga use to claim the E Jean Carol case wasn’t rape

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I posted something about misogyny. You’re the one in here larping as the president of sex while we all know you don’t finish or enjoy it 😭😭

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And that opinion is straight bullshit. 🤣

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LMAOOOOO yall now she’s pretending that her bf fucking another man isn’t sex to save her argument. Girl we all know you’d dump his ass if you saw him 2 inches inside another man

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I don’t know girl. Having a dick up your ass is pretty clearly sex. It’s called anal SEX for a reason. When you go to the doctor and they ask if you have sex they mean vaginal, anal, and oral sex for a reason. This is middle school sex ed stuff

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Oh this is pure ragebait atp. Girl you’re a lost cause.

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I’m honestly sad for you. You have been brainwashed to think that men are the only option and that sex can only happen when a man is involved. You seem angry inside and idk if it’s because you’re hiding something or if you were just raised to think that you’re only a worthy woman and can only have something real if a man is in the picture. You shouldn’t be this angry or uncomfortable by the thought of women having sex. People secure in their sexuality don’t gaf about anyone else’s.

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This is genuinely sad for you like you’re so prudish about sex there’s no way you’re exploring any kind of intimacy freely. It doesn’t make love sex centered to acknowledge the incredibly vast forms of intimacy that exist including types of sex. You sound like the people that are so insecure with the connections within their relationships nobody is allowed to have close friends or other gendered friends because many types of intimacy are too foreign to cope with

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Anonymous #30 9w

for some people it does change how the vagina works like my periods would last 15+ days before because it took forever for the blood to get through and it would stop bleeding for hours at a time because a blood clot was too big to fit through

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Anonymous #28 9w

Yeah no yk guys are virgins too dumbie

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Very good idea

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I’m lesbian and have had the same gf for 5 years. Thank you tho

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Disgusting incel sentence right there

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Your bitterness hinders your ability to make a sensible point.

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Anonymous #52 9w

Cuz of other men who created this term

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Anonymous OP 9w

Meh, I feel like it’s highly significant to both genders but there is a higher level of attention put onto women when it comes to the subject, just because of the negativity when it comes to comes sexuality in society

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Anonymous #52 9w

I have virgin guy friends. The worst they’ll get is “haha virgin” as in, you can’t pull. With women it’s “she’s a whore,” as in you pull, and and you’re disgusting for it. Very different, and way more harmful toward women. It also originated with an attempt for men to have ownership of their wives. Look into the history of it

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Anonymous OP 9w

Okay well you are also comparing virgin men to non virgin women and that’s just not a comparison that can be made logically. It seems from your comment that you don’t actually have an issue with the concept of “virginity” you have a problem with patriarchy and that’s a different thing but not invalid, it’s just weird that you’re mashing them together and making inequal comparisons instead of making a point that actually proves something if that makes sense but wtvv have a good night❤️

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