Anonymous #1 1d

and trans women are women

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Anonymous #2 1d

as a biologist no its not. trans women are women

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Anonymous #3 1d

as a biologist is it

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Anonymous #2 1d

yes babe it is. if you were a real biologist you would know there is no way to define a woman without excluding some women that you clearly deem as “real women.” trans women are women fullstop because sex and gender differ, and even sex gets way weirder than what we teach in high school and intro biology classes. which of course you would know as a biologist

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Anonymous #3 1d

yea yea yea. womp womp womp

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Anonymous #2 1d

no real response huh? must not be a biologist 🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous #3 1d

you aren’t either. your response sounded like it came straight from a tiktok video. i could’ve found a video to recite as well but im not that bored. 🥲

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Anonymous #2 1d

im getting my master’s in the evolution of sex. if you think making knowledge communicatable is tiktok speak, you’re just dumb as hell and that’s ok

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Anonymous OP 1d

in reality, they are not

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Anonymous #1 1d

reality actually disagrees with you. That’s what tends to happen when you know basic science

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Anonymous #2 1d

Without looking it up, define sex and gender

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Anonymous #4 1d

this is my job i would love to! so the simplistic answer is yes, but when you start looking at sex on a deeper level, it’s a lot more complicated than just male and female. not only are some people intersex, but we also find that when trans people undergo hormone replacement therapies, they’re changing their markers for sex as well! this means that trans women can be considered women in both gender and in some cases sex. super interesting stuff!

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Anonymous #5 1d

That would be true if it was just sociology, and so unless you deny all of the other science surrounding it; it’s not

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Anonymous #3 1d

so i understand the hormone thing which is cool fs, but their literal reproductive organs don’t change right (along with their chromosomes)? i’ve hear of like surgeries for like getting that look of the opposite sex, but it’s not 100% functional right? like just so it’s more clear to me where the lines differentiate :)

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Anonymous #3 1d

you need some lipgloss? yall not tired yet?

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Anonymous #2 1d

Not an answer. Try again

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Anonymous OP 1d

without looking it up, define idgaf

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Anonymous OP 1d

you also didn’t give an answer, try again.

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Anonymous #2 1d

So you can’t. Got it! You don’t even know the things you’re crying about lmao

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Anonymous OP 1d

so you can’t? got it. you’re yappin at me and don’t even know you’re the only angry one🥲

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Anonymous #2 1d

Keep crying about trans women being women and that fact offending you. Watch you’ll cry about it again!

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Anonymous #4 1d

their reproductive organs do change through surgery and hrt! they can change shape and look. although the science hasn’t yet been discovered to make their reproductive organs reproductively viable, but there are also plenty of cis women who can’t have child for various reasons. i am not trans so id rather not talk too much about trans peoples genitals since its really not my place, but what matters is that it’s not as simple as it first seems

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Anonymous #4 1d

now chromosomes i could talk about all day! basically the simple version is that they still have their chromosomes, but their hormone replacement therapies can alter their genes (which is what im studying). additionally it makes massive changes to their physical appearance. plus we can also talk about intersex people and how their genes are more complex than just xx or xy. sorry im rambling a bit now but im happy to answer questions lol

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Anonymous OP 1d

yea yea yea. i’m bored

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Anonymous OP 1d

there is no other science surrounding it lol. If you’re referring to sexology, then only the treatment and mental aspect of transsexuality is medical. Same with psychology, endocrinology, and neurobiology. Queer Theory literally says that transsexuality is a social construct

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Anonymous #2 1d

… you’re still commenting on this?

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Anonymous #2 1d

That’s your only response when you can’t think of anything else lol

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Anonymous #5 1d

There quite literally is but yeah alright lmao.

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Anonymous #3 1d

you’re still responding?

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Anonymous OP 1d

i like being quiet when i’m right instead of proving a point .

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Anonymous #2 1d

And that’s why you’re still talking lol

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Anonymous OP 1d

no fr what a crazy thing to say after leaving 15 pointless comments LMFAO

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Anonymous OP 1d

yes, cause you’re responding. duh

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Anonymous #3 1d

vice versa

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Anonymous #2 1d

I’m responding to waste this time in your life that you’ll never get back. I win either way here. Let’s keep it going :)

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Anonymous OP 1d

ok go ahead

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Anonymous #6 23h

preach queen

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Anonymous #3 23h

true thanks!

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Anonymous #3 23h

haha no worries i appreciate it!

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Anonymous OP 23h

not just reality, but also every major medical organization worldwide. I’m not sure why people act like trans people are “delusional” when they have conspiracy theorist levels of denial

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Anonymous #3 23h

I don’t think saying “they are women by sex” is the right way to phrase it. How about they are becoming biologically female or something? Like woman is a gender identity. Your sex does not matter. You can’t have “woman sex” and saying that “female = woman sex” is kinda backwards if being in support of the trans community

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Anonymous #5 23h

again, every major medical organization worldwide is in support of trans people. that’s not just sociology, and it’s an easily-findable fact. I’m not sure why you didn’t bother doing any research if you’re speaking as though you’re an expert and everyone here knows less lol

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Anonymous #7 23h

medical support isn’t the same as a science backing 🏳️‍⚧️. Those same medical orgs used to think female mood swings from periods were hysteria and performed surgery/lobotmies to stop them. I’m not gonna trust an inherently bureaucratic institution if someone’s fetish should be accepted as fact

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Anonymous #5 23h

you realize that medical standards have changed drastically since then + many highly extensive and peer-reviewed studies have been done on trans care, unlike with the mood swings & lobotomies? also if you still think being trans is a fetish as a college student, then you’re the type to stay in black-pilled echo chambers online. so nobody gaf about your opinion, at least until you educate yourself holy shit

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Anonymous #5 23h

There it is lol. So you don’t actually care about the science. You’re just using it as a mask for not accepting it lol. What people used to do has no relevance on what the current scientific consensus is.

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Anonymous #7 23h

5 knows, he just wants to deny it. He’s bad faith

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Anonymous OP 23h

yeah I’m just gonna report and hope it gets a nice long ban

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Anonymous #7 23h

Yeah me too lol

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Anonymous OP 23h

in any case you’ve gotten the kicked dogs to come barking, meaning I’m gonna have a block fest. not gonna get pissed off on my own phone. I appreciate the support and the block list that this post has garnered <3

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Anonymous #7 23h

Medical standards are just what they are, human made decisions. Peer review is flawed and disliked by the researchers that use them due to systemic bias and inconsistent feedback. When transsexualism is itself called a social construct by the very foundation, even the terminology was done in bad faith and exploitation (Ie John Money). Every MtF person I have ever met treats themselves as bimbos and sex objects, and this only seems to be the standard in a lot of media.

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Anonymous #7 23h

She* and there’s no point in arguing when the person is insulting you and trying to get you banned. Bad faith people

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Anonymous #8 22h

im not saying that in every case! i’m just sharing my research and what is currently out there :) i agree that sex ultimately doesnt matter but it also is more complicated that what is taught in schools, and i want to honor that too

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Anonymous OP 22h

womppppp

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Anonymous #2 21h

Welcome back, give me more of your time

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Anonymous OP 21h

vice versa 🫂🥰

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Anonymous #2 20h

I enjoy wasting transphobes time lmao this is a fun thing for me

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Anonymous OP 20h

same!!! twinsiess

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Anonymous #6 19h

Tf is transracial

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Anonymous #9 19h

people who identify with a race other than what they biologically are. like rachel dolezal

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Anonymous #6 19h

The key difference is the science of the two

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Anonymous #9 19h

Yes, whether that offends you or not

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Anonymous #2 19h

Trans women are women :)

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Anonymous #5 18h

yes because gender is a social construct

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Anonymous OP 18h

what’s the difference?

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Anonymous #6 18h

Here. Define sex and gender without looking it up

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Anonymous OP 18h

?? okay? sex has to do with your biological features and gender is a social construct. that doesn’t answer my question about the difference you literally brought up

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Anonymous OP 18h

also why can’t i look it up? am i being quizzed??

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Anonymous #6 18h

Just checking :) I’ll explain it though. Transgender identities are supported by scientific, neurological, and psychological frameworks. "Transracial" claims are widely rejected by sociologists and philosophers because they ignore how race is inherited and governed by community history

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Anonymous OP 18h

checking what?? 😭 this already feels like a really bad faith discussion bc why are you literally quizzing me 😭😭

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Anonymous #6 18h

I just explained it to you wdym

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Anonymous OP 18h

i’m asking what you were checking when you told me to give the definition for sex and gender and why you didn’t want me to look it up

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Anonymous #6 18h

Yea, I was checking But that’s why trans racial isn’t a thing

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Anonymous OP 18h

the sky is black :)

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Anonymous OP 18h

checking WHAT? 😭😭 this is the third time i’ve had to ask and you’re still not giving an answer. it also doesn’t explain anything? sex and gender are also inherited. they’re also very much influenced by the community an individual is apart of

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Anonymous #6 18h

like if there really is some difference please tell me. but as far as i can tell both ideologies are based on stereotypes. what’s the difference between someone who ‘feels’ like a woman or a man and someone who ‘feels’ like they’re a difference race?

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Anonymous #6 18h

To see if you knew? Sex is not inherited by a community’s social structure lol. It’s a biological system. Why are you ignoring half of what I actually said? I explained it to you, so what specific portion of it is incorrect?

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Anonymous #6 18h

Being transgender is not an ideology. There is evidence/studies done that show a physical difference in the brain of a cisgender person compared to a trans person You’re either being dense on purpose or you genuinely don’t know

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Anonymous #2 18h

Trans women are women :)

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Anonymous OP 18h

do you think quizzing someone is a good way to open a convo? and yeah obviously sex is biological but i hope you’re not denying that sex based oppression exists and has a hugeee influence on a community

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Anonymous OP 18h

i’m also… not ignoring anything lol. i addressed everything you mentioned. i’m confused what part you think i didnt bring up?

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Anonymous #6 18h

Yea I do actually. And none of that was an answer to either of my questions.

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So intersex females, are men to you. Got it You think females can be men

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Anonymous OP 18h

wait can you send the study that says cis and trans brains are different?

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Anonymous #6 18h

Sure once you answer that last question. What specific portion of that explanation is incorrect?

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Anonymous OP 18h

i already explained it. i only ask bc i couldn’t even find articles that said male/female brains are significantly different, much less cis and trans ones

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Anonymous #6 18h

No you didn’t. You didn’t address what neurological frameworks if you took issue with that, were incorrect. What psychological frameworks you think are wrong or don’t exist.

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Anonymous #6 18h

I’ll give you the studies once you answer

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Anonymous OP 18h

I never said that😂😂

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Anonymous OP 18h

I’m guessing ur trans

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Anonymous OP 18h

it’s okay lol i’m really not about to jump through hoops for this. i found the info i needed on my own. i’m also not interested in having a discussion like this with someone who i’m beginning to suspect doesn’t think sex based oppression exists

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Anonymous #6 18h

Sex based oppression exists. There you can stop crying about it. Now Show me the study you’re looking at :)

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Anonymous #6 18h

just in case anyone else is interested tho here’s a link to the article: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0149763421000804

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Anonymous #9 18h

What makes someone female?

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Anonymous #6 18h

That’s the same article you sent earlier that has almost nothing to do with trans people lmao. The word transgender is mentioned twice in the entire study

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Anonymous OP 18h

Are we serious rn

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Anonymous #9 18h

Should be an easy question :) Go ahead.

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Anonymous OP 18h

yeah because i couldn’t find anything saying trans vs cis brains are different. you’re the only one with that info and you clearly want to keep it to yourself. just wanted to clear that up :)

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Anonymous #6 18h

Then you couldn’t find the info on your own lmao Btw your own link reinforces that there is more than just a 2 gender binary system lol. Here’s the study though! Btw it took less than 1 minute to find it since I don’t have that link saved so in reality you’re just not using enough critical thought to do actual research.

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Anonymous #6 18h

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8955456/ Now. Tell me why their methodology is incorrect!

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Okay. What is intersex?

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Anonymous OP 18h

i think it was a pretty good study actually, but acting like it 100% definitively proves trans women are women bc they have ‘woman brains’ isn’t really accurate. the articles even states that trans women are more ‘female’ than cis men, but they’re still far more ‘male’ than cis women. even their research shows a pretty significant overlap between male/female brains. also, trans men weren’t included in this study, so it’s not cis vs trans brains, it’s just focused on trans women.

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Anonymous #2 18h

sky is still black

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Anonymous #6 18h

All of this is to contest your claim that it’s an ideology. All you did was reaffirm that there are neurological differences that exist between the two that would invalidate your claim of it being an ideological choice lmao

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Anonymous #2 18h

Trans women are women :)

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Anonymous OP 18h

what do you mean what makes someone a female? are we fr rn. if you’re a female look in your pants then tell you dad to look in his pants

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Anonymous #2 18h

So you think that females born with penis’ aren’t women?

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Anonymous OP 17h

that actually was a pretty interesting study! idk if it really convinced me of anything bc it even mentioned multiple times that more research was needed and it wasn’t 100% clear, but i’m glad that i read it :) i am interested in the difference they found between male and female brains though, bc everything else ive read says they’re very similar and the biggest difference is size lol. i also thought it was interesting that even within this study trans women were more similar to cis men

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Anonymous #6 17h

So let me get this straight. You say it’s an ideology. You acknowledge the neurological differences found in these studies and you’re still going to say it’s an ideology? Yeah and IM bad faith apparently lmao

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Anonymous OP 17h

idk what you want me to say. one study where it acknowledges multiple times more research is needed isn’t exactly stone cold proof of anything lol? it proves their brains are different but that doesn’t prove that they’re women. i also don’t think you should be talking about being in bad faith after your response to sex based oppression

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Anonymous #6 17h

You acknowledged the neurological differences lol. You did that. So your earlier claim of it being an ideology is invalidated by the fact that you yourself acknowledged and accepted the information lmaooo You mean your baseless accusation of my stance on sex based oppression? Find me a screenshot when I said it didn’t exist! I’ll wait! If you’re being good faith that about easy, but you wont because you can’t

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Anonymous OP 17h

my ideology comment was in reference to the idea that trans women are women. the study proved there are differences but given the fact the results were still significantly different and were closer to a cis male brain, i’m not seeing the connection. i’m also not talking about you denying its existence, im talking about the very callous way you talked about a very dangerous and very real system of oppression that targets and hurts women.

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Anonymous #6 17h

It doesn’t matter if you don’t personally see the connection lol. An ideology wouldn’t qualify by definition to what occurs in this study and the information you repeated inside of it. So objectively speaking, by these structure of sciences and the language itself, you were wrong when you called it an ideology. Show me when I spoke about sex based oppression in a negative light specifically. I was talking about YOU crying about it because I didn’t let you deflect when you tried to accuse me

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Anonymous OP 16h

exactly what i think, in rare cases like the one you’re tried to prove isn’t valid. YOU’RE talking about TRANS women with a penis.

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Anonymous #2 16h

You think some females aren’t women and you pretend I’m the crazy one? that’s hilarious

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You think females aren’t women LMAO

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Anonymous #2 8h

if you don’t know what makes a female a female then either admit it or don’t waste everyone’s time with an answer like this. google is free, and so is YOUR BRAIN

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Anonymous #5 7h

It’s hard to respect someone who is confidently and blatantly incorrect. Being trans isn’t a social construct and never has been, you just made that up. It’s supported by millions of peoples’ life experience as well as multidisciplinary studies (*not just peer reviewed). The decision on the medical standards for trans people were made in the face of overwhelming evidence for its efficacy. Though I suppose it’s hard to convince you with hard evidence since your “proof” is purely anecdotal.

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Anonymous #5 7h

Also, the only thing you’ve proven is that trans representation in media sucks. I’m glad you support better-written trans characters that reflect actual living people 🫶 it sucks that you think that literal fiction proves anything in our reality lol

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Anonymous #10 7h

people have lived their entire lives being influenced by a flawed system, and many would prefer to stay in denial than admit their ways of thinking have been wrong for so long

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