
these comments are nasty as fuck💀you are really some miserable ass people to sit here and talk shit about people jus trying to be themselves when it literally does not affect you. jesus christ there are so many REAL LIFE ISSUES to worry about and you’re worried about a trans person existing ?
i don’t agree with acting like every trans woman is a violent predator or whatever and they deserve equal treatment like anyone else but i also don’t think they’re women. gender is just stereotypes and you can’t change your sex, so i really don’t know what basis they’re even saying they’re women off of. a feeling? so if i say i feel like a millionaire does that make me rich?
Because I can support the existence of Israel and still acknowledge that the way Trump and Netanyahu and the Knesset are handling things are bad. Plenty of Israelis are furious with the government rn. This doesn’t change that Trump had not been some kind of revolutionary fucking God - for the US mainland nor for our image to the rest of the world.
“not needed to live” is fucking insane and you are so ignorant because trans people who don’t get gender affirming care KILL THEMSELVES. so yes it is necessary to live. even if they didn’t commit, why should someone live their entire life miserable, hiding how they truly feel, depressed, isolated?? clearly the statistics for trans mental health before and after care show massive improvements of quality of life and it is scientifically described that way
I mean, most people here don’t mind trans people existing. Except that one Jesus freak at the bottom. I think people just have issue with the extreme ideology that not even all trans people themselves believe in or push. I think trans people deserve respect and empathy and compassion and equal healthcare and rights as a human. I also don’t believe a trans woman IS a woman, but I will still call her “she.”
that’s the thing tho 11 ur arguing against something that no one is actually saying??? not a single person, trans or cis that is arguing about the biology of a trans person?? we are very aware that their body is the sex they were born as? So why are you even saying this you’re saying like I support you but I’m still saying you’re not a real woman like nobody’s saying that😭 they are women but no one saying that they’re biologically women…
Yeah I mean to each their own like I said we just don’t talk about it and they’re not the kind of people that make it their entire personality either so it’s not like I have to face that. I also met them after transitioning so it’s like yeah you’re just my bro Roni and that’s all yk
It’s also crucial to note that advocating against trans people’s healthcare and other rights hurts cis people, too. If you want to take a selfish approach. For example, I need a testosterone blocking med for my PCOS, and it’s the same med prescribed to many trans women. That’s just one example. If we’re rallying against GAC, it doesn’t just affect trans people.
Like 18 just said, you’re effectively victim blaming. Our healthcare system is a result of corporate greed, not the patients who are all victimized by it. Besides, the majority of women (trans or not) on hormone replacement therapy are post menopausal cis women. By your logic, we should be leading a mob to old folks homes since they would be the ones driving up demand.
I just think this isn’t the space to be bringing up stuff like that? like it’s not necessarily specifically due to them being trans. people are having the same argument about Ozempic right now. Because fat people are taking it away from people who are diabetic. I don’t know. It’s just like it’s not the space argue it somewhere else.
Seriously. Gender affirming care was created for cis people to begin with, who are the *vast* majority of the ones dependant on it. Trans people are a tiny, tiny fraction of the population. Even if ALL trans people were on hormones, which many don’t need, it still wouldn’t be enough to drive up demand to the extreme people like to pretend. People are living longer in general, older folks depend on hormones for their general health.
Gender is socially constructed sex isn't BUT scientifically there is more than two sexes and with gender reassignment and hormone therapy some transgender women you literally would have no idea they weren't born that way. I just personally couldn't care less what's in everyone's pants. Idk what ur gender is but you identify the way you do because you feel that way. You must be able to recognize that a sense of masculinity or femininity is separate from having a penis or vagina.
wondering how you #7 feel about/what you think about intersex people. because you seem like you are saying god made only men and women, but there are literally people born with both genetalia or other than XX OR XY chromosomes. so do you think god didn’t make them, they are defect? it wasn’t a choice tho, their body is born that way. do you think people born with down syndrome are defects? like how do you explain that
I hear people talk abt chromosomes constantly, which is hilarious to me. 99% of the US population has never been karyotyped, and that’s never been how sex is assigned lmao. I know multiple people (some trans) who found out later in life that they were intersex or had chromosomes that “conflicted” with their ASAB lol
trans people statistically GET sexually assaulted more than cis women. forcing them into men’s bathrooms increases that risk. and if that person pretended to be trans to get into the bathroom, he would’ve just walked in if being trans wasn’t a thing. rapists use any excuse, and it’s disgusting that you weaponize someone else’s rape to target trans people.
Ok so what if you're born with both? There's more sex occurrences than XX and XY. Also the other outcome for this is someone is trans so someone that identifies and looks like a man who has a penis is going into the women's and a person that looks and identifies as a man but has a vagina is going into the men's. I know that's not what you want either you just want to control people
Just to preface bc you all view me as just some bigoted “Jesus freak”. Absolutely, I am a Jesus freak. I love and live for my Lord with all my being. And while I disagree with the transgender ideology, I respect the individuals, just as Jesus would. Hate the sin, but love the sinner. So I am, the furthest thing from a bigot. I love EVERYONE. Including those who I disagree with.
Would Love to hear you explain how it’s a false analogy. Because same way we both, in truth, know very well that oranges and apples are different, we know that men and women are different, and always have. What you are arguing is that the concept of gender should be redefined, the same way the only way you could argue apples and oranges are the same is if we redefine what it means to be an apple or orange. It’s Orwellian, and I know thumbs sounds cringe to say but this truly is Orwellian.
that’s sweet, I know Christian trans people who study the Bible extensively :) it has a lot of allegories for the trans experience, and actually has zero evidence to call being trans a sin! idk if you’re Catholic (they have the Magisterium so they don’t have to listen to the Bible), but fully Bible-based denominations shouldn’t be believing that it’s a sin :)
Do what denomination? I mean I agree ur entitled to your beliefs but again so are other people. I think what you're failing to see here is that trans people don't see being trans as a sin like an action or choice they see it as a part of themselves and their identity so by saying you love them but hate the sin really does nothing because the 'sin' is their identity so you just hate them
I have not said one thing “disparaging” trans people lol. Others definitely have, for I have seen them too. The only things that have said was in defense of the Lord, stating how He is not dead and is seating at the right hand of the Father. I don’t hate anybody, especially for those I have mere disagreements with. You got me all wrong…
I said “the one true Church” which is synonymous with Catholicism. And I only said “hate the sin, love the sinner” bc that is the common saying. I recognize “hate” is a strong term, “disagree” may be the more politically correct terminology, but nonetheless, my point still applies.
Uhm, no. Predators are treated a hell of a lot better than trans people (trans is an adjective, not a plural noun) ever are. Look at the fucking president. Look at who the nazis targeted. Look at who colonising pieces of shit went after first when they destroyed thousands of cultures and millions of people. That’s what you’re aligning yourself with. Transphobia harms everyone and benefits nobody.
I know that's what they call themselves but that phrase doesn't always bode well with other denominations who think the same thing. People will say their church is the one true church like yes Catholics call their that but so do other people. TRUST I don't need a lesson from you on the history of it
BRO you know what else is healthcare “not needed to live?” Type 2 diabetes treatment, gastric bypass surgeries, most types of mental health treatments, chiropractors etc. in America you we dont even pay for universal healthcare cuz our country us stupid and doesn’t have it so just like all your idols get plastic surgery (which in itself is gender affirming), let a trans person get gender affirming care
Do you have any actual evidence of that being a prevalent issue?? Trump noted in an interview that he went into a women’s locker room and looked at the teenage women in there who didn’t have clothes on. But somehow a trans person going into a bathroom stall and minding their own business is the problem?
Im not an athlete but I athletes, especially women, have spoken up about how they care about it. Im not a bigot and I support all trans people but I still don’t think its fair to say that just because “sports have never been fair” than we should just keep pushing the line of “fairness”
And by the way, if a predatory man wants to invade a women’s only space with malicious intent, he’s just going to do it. You’re overestimating how sneaky these creeps are trying to be. They don’t care, they’re not going through the effort of posing as a trans woman to gain access.
The thing is at a professional and collegiate level most athletes have to be hormone tested to be within 'normal' limits to compete. The entire point of sports is competition anyways if everyone was 100% equal and good at everything there would be no competition and thus no entertainment from sports or a goal to work towards for athletes.
Right. I think transphobic rhetoric is so hyper focused on trans women that they completely forget the other implications of this bathroom discourse. You are going to have hairy ass, muscular, bearded men who stand and pee in urinals in the stall next to you just because they had a vagina at birth. The hate makes them so short sighted
people are born with advantages and disadvantages. that’s how our bodies work. why do you care about this one “advantage” more than the others, which are both more prevalent & more significantly impact the outcome? you only bring that up because you believe being trans is a choice. it isn’t.
Not to use the term to define it, but if the care affirms your gender then it is gender affirming care. That includes cosmetic surgery, topicals and medications for hair growth, viagra, testosterone supplements for muscle gain, etc. like how a man wouldn’t get a breast augmentation surgery because that does not affirm his gender as a man.
I’ve heavily considered cosmetic surgery to look more like my idea of a woman because I’m intersex, but biologically more female than male. Women who have flat chests feel like they need a larger cup size to present more like women. Some women bald, and to them being bald is a masculine trait.
How tf can someone upvote this #3 psychopath 1 - I didn’t know there was such an estrogen crisis bc 0.1 percent of the population 2 - The fact it’s so baffling a trans person would kill themselves if they can’t transition shows you know nothing about gender dysphoria, mental health or identity crises and should just stfu 3 - “Yeah some stupid trannies will kill themselves but that’s just natural selection so what are you going to do about it” - people are really upvoting that psychotic shit?
I’d like to see those studies because if I have to guess the reason why post transition suicide rates are still high is bc they’re treated like garbage and people like the one here arguing that their suicides is good for natural selection or whatever are apparently welcomed with open arms
Exactly there are people with vaginas out there that have rxped and m*rdered both men and women. But I would also agree here that he wasn’t genuinely there to reflect the aura of a woman, he was there to take advantage of them, so for that I would not respect his pronouns. This however is even rarer than female to male ass**lt. So take that as it is.
To a certain degree it’s all about respect. I respect those in the lgbtq community, however I don’t respect those who don’t honor the rights, responsibilities or priveleges therein for being part of that community. One cannot just choose to be a woman for personal gain. One must recognize that their behavior and personality is better represented by stereotypes and expectations more often associated with a woman. The behavior of that man is very consistent with the behaviors of men.
Recognizing him almost sets precedent to those who says that “people join the lgbtq community for personal gain.” I myself am nonbinary/fem born male and the amount of times the actions of people like this become an attack on my character as a lgbtq nonbinary born male fem presenting individual makes it so a line must be drawn.
I’m sorry but the people who call trans people predators are bad faith and do not care if the statement is even true, they oppose trans people because they hate them. Don’t let yourself fall into the trap of thinking that every trans person has to prove themselves to an impossible standard to be accepted because that’s an impossible fight you can’t win against people who despise your existence.
Bro that’s todays society though. Everyone wants to presume you guilty until proven innocent. LGBTQ people feel this the most, followed by men… but even women get targeted by this too. Yes I should be able to live being trusted and respected but bad men especially TOOK that from me. And no I will not respect a man if he uses my identities as a cover for his bad actions…
The logic is also fucking stupid, if your being chased by a rapist and go into the women’s bathroom he’s not going to go “ah man I guess I gotta look like a woman to go in there, I’ll change my entire life so I have an excuse to go and rape someone in a bathroom even though it’s illegal either way”
I just get double fucked as someone lgbtq and born male “ohh ur a man so u can’t feel pain/be violated in fact you must be a violator” and “oh ur lgbtq/nonbinary/fem. I’m sure that’s so you can abuse the trust of women” So yes I have a ton of hatred for fake trans people and men in general. Would be way nicer to just be male or female. Because as much as it’d be cool to not be conflated with rxpists, we often are for NO REASON and we can only discourage or refuse to acknowledge those who
Those people are clowns and will hate you no matter what. You can just call the bad people rapists and predators without having to carve out all these exceptions for why this person is a real trans person and that person is a fake trans. Because the people judging you are just laughing at you behind your back while you try and do that.
What do you guys not understand about gender as a social construct. Yes women and trans women are biologically different, that’s not a crazy thing no one knows. Gender is largely defined around social roles and how they interact with the environment around them. People call trans women, women because they largely function in society in a feminine or woman’s role. The constant need to keep saying they’re biologically different when everyone knows reads as just trying invalidate their identity
No what they need is to be told that it’s okay to be themselves instead of just calling them lunatics or perverts pretending to be women to assault them. Idk where you actually stand but it sounds like your shitting on trans women for transitioning, just don’t put down an already beaten down group if you don’t have the slightest clue what gender dysphoria can do to a person
Exactly gender dysphoria, a mental illness, a condition, that is treated by transitioning? Thats so backwards it’s just feeding into their illness. That’s like telling the anorexic that the only treatment is to keep starving themselves till they think they’re skinny enough, even if it kills them.
That’s the stupidest fucking comparison ever. Pronouns and estrogen doesn’t kill you. And like every psychologist disagrees with you and agrees that gender affirmation makes these people less likely to kill themselves. And yes, you do definitely hate trans people if their existence offends you this much
The hormones might not, but what about complications due to surgeries with lifelong complications, what about the high rates of depression causing suicide. The system is set up in a way to affirm it to keep society weak so the government can stand tall. That’s why the country is so corrupt, everything is fed into to distract people from the REAL problems
What are you talking about? Yeah the real problems are never addressed because people obsess over shitting on trans ppl. Yes, there is some risk with surgery as with any surgery ever, it’s fine. The suicide rate is pretty high because they’re treated like shit and invalidated every step of the way by ppl (you included) and you’re just deluded if you think that’s not why.
trans people get hormone replacement therapy, which is supported by hundreds of studies as the appropriate treatment for gender dysphoria. you’re suggesting conversion therapy, which is both disgusting and entirely ineffective lmao. y’all call others delusional while refusing to back yourself up with an iota of research.
I’m just saying studies can be bias, and sometimes studies only will be published if the government lets them, look at back in the day of science and the church, is the sun the center of the solar system? It is. But the church refused for that to be taught because it went against their narrative
I’m a trans individual and I have zero doubts despite all you fuckers trying to tell me I’m not happier. because I am happier. even years later, I consider it one of the best decisions I’ve made. studies show that the vast majority other people who’ve gone through GAC/GAS agree with me.
it’s also hilarious that you believe trans people don’t think abt their care (past or present) frequently. I think about my GAC daily, and every day I affirm how vastly my life improved when I finally got it. people can’t just walk into a doctor’s office & get hormones or a surgery, they have to think about it for a long ass time. if you knew anything about trans people, you’d know this.
Loook all I’m saying is I’m from a VERY blue state and I was around MANY trans, nonbinary, etc. individuals and 90% were the most depressed miserable people I’ve met. They never smiled never looked happy, they stayed to themselves and barely participated in school, often skipping and finding a poor path for their own well. Self harmed often too
Hmm could it be because they’re treated as pariahs by their family, friends, the government and their entire environment? No, I’m sure people like you constantly invalidating them has nothing to do with that, it must be the evil estrogen that makes them do that. Conversion therapy it is ig
there’s also studies showing that trans people more commonly suffer mental illnesses than cis people, and that it’s somewhat relieved upon transition. maybe they’re depressed because no one in society respects them or their gender; because they were born in the wrong body; because they look in the mirror and see something they hate. queer kids are attacked so often by peers, adults, and parents. you pin that on transition when it’s everyone around them making them miserable.
look, it sounds like you’ve seen a lot of trans people with shitty lives. you attribute it to their transness, but consider how our society treats trans people. we’re treated like abominations unworthy of basic respect, and we’re at a multiple times more risk of being assaulted than cis women. you can see a cis woman lamenting her womanhood because of how society sees her; put that same lens on for trans people.