
She couldn’t have agreed to anything and in her lawsuit she says she was pushing them away as they were reaching for her privates multiple times. She hid from them under the covers and they pulled her toward them to assault her. It’s disgusting that anyone would blame her. They forced her to take drugs she’s never had before
I just read the original statement… I’m finding it unclear exactly how the events as first described were not enough to constitute rape. She swatted his hand away, more than once, and he thought that meant it was time to “grope” her? It also says they “end[ed] up on the bed” and began to have a threesome, but the whole sequence of events leading up to and proceeding that just seems like pressure after pressure.
Once you realize that women’s definition of “rape” is any sexual encounter they regret, you’ll understand why they think all men do it. Young white women want the status of being “raped” because they know it’s the only way for them to compete with gays and minorities in the Oppression Olympics.
Hello, I am a male at UConn (sorry for coming into this group I just saw that it was a popular post so I might be able to gain more wisdom), and I’m just trying to understand both sides of this specific point people are making about the other 50 guys. To my knowledge they didn’t know it was not consensual, so they may have overlooked it as a nymphomaniac that one of their frat guys found. Also, think about how weird awkward it would be to be suspicious of the text thread, go check it out, and…
Lesser burden in civil court, and with the school already giving “sanctions,” your buddies are toast. With a civil verdict, and if the DA decides to prosecute, they are gonna get done the same way in prison. Lucky if they don't; it would be due to the Prison Rape Elimination Act. Ironic.
The thing about it is why not trust her? She’s now going thru this trauma again with a big spotlight on her. You think she’s just lying for shits and giggles and to feel shamed by ppl like you who love men so bad they are hesitant to trust women? I don’t see how that could be fun or garner any benefits.
Women need to learn? We're practically TAUGHT by the time we're born the ill intentions men have. All she wanted to do was have fun and drink with her sorority, as many people do. She was incapacitated, then taken advantage of by someone who she trusted. You just dumb for no reason
See a girl getting f*cked by two guys, and still go over there and ask if she was ok and if she wanted it or not, does that make sense? I’m not saying that it’s okay they didn’t do anything, but is that really enough to say fuck them or blame them for it due to their lack of knowledge. Additionally, half of them could have not even opened the chat at the time, so I just don’t think this is just to blame them this much. If there is something I do not understand please forgive me and do please…
What do you think “free pussy” means? They weren’t concerned that there was a girl at a party that was having sex with multiple men? They weren’t concerned that someone said “you can just whip it out”? This is willful ignorance or just normalized in the house. Either way it’s disgusting
consent is given freely, enthusiastically, and while sober. If someone went to this place where they were holding her, as a captive, they would have seen that she was unconscious and/or inebriated. They were forcing ketamine down her throat on their penises to keep her immobilized. There is no excuse for any of them. “Free pussy” rarely means anything consensual is happening.No one called the police during or afterwards. Nobody questioned what was happening. Nobody cared about her life or safety
There is no “other side,” they aided and abetted in sexual assault and rape by having knowledge and not doing anything. Specifically those who replied with stuff like “I love this frat” or whatever need to be seriously investigated and charged with aiding and abetting. Fifty people did nothing.
If you got a message in a group chat while you were sleeping that said “free chest to stab” and woke up and read that, would you go about your day or call the police because you were worried about a crime committed? “Free shit in this house down the road” and worry about a burglary?
Great point. Let me break it down for you: free pussy, in your terms, would mean a woman willing to give her sober, informed consent. Consent can be revoked at any time. Consent can't be given when you are intoxicated beyond the point of rational decision-making. From the point Jane Doe was at the bar, arguably, she could not consent.
Right, so you missed my point above, which the DA said he agrees with. Victims can remember more of a traumatic event as time goes on. Honestly, more time to process what happened actually gives her time to build her case. I don't blame her for being unable to process and recount a traumatizing event; that was widespread on campus. That's a big reason people don't report. Not to mention the secondary victimization she is currently going through.
Oh God, how can somebody be so stupid. You CANNOT consent to sex UNDER THE INFLUENCE. For the same fucking reason you can’t drive or handle heavy machinery under the influence. She previously consensually took substances, but they forced more upon her. Even if the drugs were consensual the sex wasn’t, and unconsentual sex is rape. Good fucking lord
Yes I know that’s absolutely true. But she hasn’t even put out a new statement yet unless I missed it somehow. There hasn’t been any new evidence and she hasn’t said anything more about what happened yet. I’m just confused where people are getting any extra information about what happened unless they’re just guessing.
She’s was gang graped while under the influence. They forced her to take ketamine and passed her around as she was pushing them away. She was naked and trying to hide under the covers because she was scared and they were grabbing her privates and slapping her if she didn’t comply. 7 men, 7 hours, 57 people read the messages in a Snapchat group calling her “free pussy” and did nothing
I am very well aware of that. Based on her sworn testimony the two guys she initially has sex with were MORE intoxicated than she was. She said they had to stop having sex so she could take care of them while one of them was passing out and the other was dry heaving. She also never says at any point in her testimony that drugs were forced on her. The guys were equally drunk and were on the same drugs, they cant consent either. Why is it only a problem for one side.
The media buzz and obvious public outrage stem from a collection of filings made last week, news reports, and statements from Jane Doe and the accused attorneys. The outrage comes from the fact that 57 men in that Snapchat group chat read past “free pussy” and didn't sound the alarm. If the police had been on the scene, maybe there would be toxicology reports rather than just accounts, but no one did. Here we are.
Thank you for actually providing this instead of just arguing, the information here is extremely different than the initial statements that I was under the impression were the only evidence available. This report describes it as significantly worse than the initial statements I’ve been previously basing my words on
Jesus fucking Christ. First you come into this comment section with shit unrelated and now you’re confused my your own point. I’ve only been old enough to vote once and it wasn’t for fuck ass Trump. If you’re a sexual predator I actually don’t think you deserve air let alone be president. So go split hairs elsewhere
If we are going to blame anything, it's the functioning criminal justice system we have. Not some political puppet who also happens to be a sexual predator. I suggest you urge more survivors to have supported participation rather than be blamed and shamed by the same people protecting (their right) the accused. Justice doesn't come from a verdict alone.
half the country voted for Donald Trump, 2/9 supreme court justices have allegations, mcgregor continues to perform in the ufc, ronaldo is still loved all over the world, to name just a FEW. when our society keeps supporting people convicted of sexual assault (or credibly accused for the justices) then rape is absolutely normalized.
The actual percentage of false rape claims sits at around %5. Every single piece of science and medicine you have ever used treats a %95 chance as true. Let alone the many many famous men who have been accused or FOUND GUILTY and continue to enjoy wonderful lives. like donald EPSTEINS BESTIE and CONVICTED sexual abuser with dozens of other allegations and liking to sneak into young girls changing rooms fucking trump this shit is too accepted by society.
That is a very subjective way of looking at it though? For example, if a guy was drugged and used for sex by multiple women, didn’t say yes, and didn’t like it? It would be, by definition, rape as well. I agree that there are women who misuse the word or even abuse it, report innocent men who they just didn’t like (after) and make actual victims of rape look bad or unbelievable though. But most of the time that isn’t the case, no sane person wants to be known as a victim. Let alone of rape.
You keep saying she was drugged despite her testimony saying she took all the drugs and alcohol willingly. She also states in her testimony that she didn’t have any sex that she didn’t agree too. Making up facts about incidents like this are why a lot of women that actually get raped don’t get believed. Not saying that’s the case here just saying that you embellishing the story only hurts her case
I only said it like that cause she was there to have fun, not to become incapacitated and then used like a sex toy. It was almost as if they planned for this to happen as so, it’s contextual for the way I worded it but!! I do get what you’re saying though. It can be taken the other way, thanks for pointing that out.
unfortunately even the people who are the loudest about sexual assault when it’s people they don’t know often become complicit when it’s people they do know, without even realizing it. it’s easy to acknowledge that there are evil people in the world, but much harder to acknowledge that it’s likely some people you know and think highly of as well.
What a fucking loser you are, seriously. LC is being tried for her crime again; actually, there was a retrial hearing today. She is the accused; she killed her kids. Brian Walsh murdered his wife and dismembered her body; they still got a guilty verdict. All capital crimes, and heinous ones, so are all 57 going to use the insanity defense?
Also, is being heavily under the influence (“8/10” drunkeness at 5:35 in the morning) not enough to imply that she could have been incapable of controlling her own conduct? Yes, according to the statement she initially agreed to do Ketamine, but can’t we gather that the men knew what Ketamine would do to her self-control, especially given the sheer volume?
doing drugs or drinking isn’t the issue here, it’s what they did to her after. you’re genuinely just ignorant about this and i sincerely hope you take a step back and reeducate yourself on this entire matter because this is the exact mentality that leads men to rape women. reading your arguments is genuinely fucking concerning.