Anonymous #1 4w

they know they just don’t care

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Anonymous #3 4w

Shaken baby syndrome isnt actually mostly done out of wanting to hurt and cause harm. It’s an act of violent desperation wanting the crying to stop. It happens when a parent or partner has been exposed to prolonged crying which by design is supposed to trigger humans into a mode of anxiety to trigger us into wanting to soothe the child to meet its needs. Sadly when it comes to parents committing the crime it is done because lack of sleep plays a huge factor

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Anonymous #2 4w

Since you deleted your comment, can you please tell me what about this is misleading? Obviously parents are going to shake their babies more than non-parents, considering they are with him a majority of the time. Your comment made no sense

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Anonymous #2 4w

I genuinely don’t understand how it’s misleading

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Anonymous #2 4w

Violence out of desperation or sleeplessness is still violence

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Anonymous OP 4w

I was saying the way it was worded was misleading. By arrangement. I’m an English major who has taken two statistics courses as well as a class in nonfiction writing. I rewrote it to recorrect a sentence but it should have been written more like “alarmingly most who commit SBS are fathers and the mother’s boyfriends.” It’s a horrible issue but some times statistical data is written to get even more of a reaction out of readers

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Anonymous #2 4w

Fathers and the mother’s boyfriends = adult males

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Anonymous #3 4w

Yes it’s violence, it’s not okay but it’s not the same kind of violence that we typically associate with men. It’s not coming from a place of wanting to be in power

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Anonymous OP 4w

Misleading was a poor choice of words, i explained how it could be used to invoke a reaction rather than flatly laying out data.

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Anonymous #2 4w

But fathers and the mother’s boyfriends are considered to be adult males 😭😭😭 I still don’t get how that’s misleading because they didn’t break it down by social roles

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Anonymous OP 4w

Yes you can say “adult males” but adding “even more alarming” after is to invoke a reaction, simply by the structure of writing.

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Anonymous OP 4w

I clarified how it is written to provoke a reaction instead of flat data. Like I said I’ve taken multiple courses on writing in this style.

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Anonymous OP 4w

I’m not arguing the data I’m arguing the writing structure

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Anonymous #2 4w

Personally, I think it would provoke a reaction either way considering that fathers/boyfriends are the same thing as adult males but okay

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Anonymous OP 4w

Omg ur not listening to me. Yes they are adult males. Yes boyfriends and fathers are adult males. Yes it is horrible. But the writing was purposefully structured to provoke a harder reaction towards the data. Which when reading papers is simply what you look for when trying to spot authors bias. When I say finding bias I am not saying that it is okay or not horrible that men are shaking babies. I am not trying to provoke a not all men statement. I am simply pointing out something.

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Anonymous #4 4w

no they genuinely don’t know but they don’t care to ever know. it doesn’t bother them

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Anonymous #2 4w

No one said this was an excerpt from a scientific study or peer reviewed article. Writing is allowed to have bias sometimes

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Anonymous #5 4w

no, they know. its not rocket science to not shake a baby with such force. they know better

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Anonymous #5 4w

Men aren’t helpless babies. They are grown ass adults

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Anonymous #2 4w

I just don’t see how stating the obvious, that boyfriends and husbands are males, was purposefully structured to “provoke a harder reaction towards the data“. I would have the same reaction either way and most people would. I don’t understand how that’s bias

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Anonymous OP 4w

I can see how “not surprisingly” and “more alarming” would be considered biased wording, but my prior point about it not needing to be nonbiased stands

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Anonymous OP 4w

just cause they’re grown on the outside doesn’t mean they’re mentally grown tho

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Anonymous #3 4w

That I understand, but I think that’s the normal person’s reaction to this type of data

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Anonymous #5 4w

Awe you right 🥺🥺🥺 they don’t know any better poor guys 😢😢😢

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Anonymous OP 4w

i’m not pitying them, i’m literally calling them stupid lol. cant even hate men without actually hating men on here, that’s crazy

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Anonymous #5 4w

Because this isn’t an issue of “They genuinely don’t know” or whatever. This is an issue of systemic of violence caused by misogyny. They know.

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Anonymous OP 4w

it’s kinda like that’s society’s fault because it’s been ingrained that we have to stay home with the kids while they go work. i’m not dumb, i literally am a product of that dynamic and it fucking sucks but it’s not just misogyny. to say it is, is completely ignorant of a larger issue which simply revolves around the idea of the structure of family.

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Anonymous #5 4w

The whole idea in society that we have to stay home with kids while they go to work is literally bc of misogyny what the fuck are you talking about

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Anonymous OP 4w

no it’s not only misogyny. it’s literally a product of practical survival roles, learn your history before you flap your jaw so carelessly

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Anonymous #5 4w

1. Didn’t say that it was “only misogyny”. Don’t know where you got that from. 2. These days, the whole women stay home and take care of the kids while men work is a patriarchal view, fueled by misogyny.

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Anonymous OP 4w

“the whole idea that we have to stay at home with kids while they go to work is literally bc of misogyny” girl do you even know or remember what you said cause your phrasing is saying you implied it was only misogyny. learn to articulate your speech better momma, you’re confusing

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Anonymous #5 4w

Also the “idea of the structure of a family” that you were talking about is literally just a western view of the average white/European family unit. Especially in some indigenous communities, the family structure is completely different from the family structure that me and you are familiar with

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Anonymous OP 4w

speak for yourself babe, my family is eastern european. both my dad and my mom grew up with all their surviving generations under the same house so mess me with that bullshit, acting like you know me

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Anonymous #5 4w

So you’re white lmao

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Anonymous OP 4w

yes, i am. your point?

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Anonymous #5 4w

I said that the “idea of the structure of a family“ where the mom stays home and takes care of the kids and the dad works, is a white/European idea and that communities, specifically indigenous communities, have different family structures. Then you said that you were Eastern European for no reason at all 😭

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Anonymous OP 4w

because your idea of what’s a white and european family is wrong because that’s not my reality? where my parents are from, it’s normal that their grandparents and great grandparents and pretty much the entire family tree that’s alive all live under the same roof. that’s common throughout eastern europe, so no i didn’t say i’m eastern european for “no reason at all”. come on girl, i know you’re not THAT stupid that you’re not able to put all that together.

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Anonymous OP 4w

if anything this just shows how americanized your opinions are in terms of what makes a family. looks like you’re the one who needs a reality check.

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Anonymous #5 4w

How was it wrong? You had a mom, dad, and your parents had a mom and a dad, when some communities don’t even have parents like that. Some communities, the whole tribe is a family, rather than just the people you were genetically closest to. Just because you lived with your immediate family under one roof, doesn’t change the traditional family unit I was talking about.

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Anonymous #5 4w

If anything, living with your whole immediate family under one roof is more of a traditional European family unit than just living with a mom and dad like here in America. Also, there are plenty of families in America where their immediate family all live under the same roof.

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Anonymous OP 4w

who said it was wrong? and no, grandparents and great grandparents are not immediate family. so what’s wrong with me being white than? you just proved my point that your ideas of family are american. my mom stayed at home, i literally am not emotionally close because my dad had to work as out of the house every hour, every day. because they’re immigrants and they came to this country with nothing. so mess me with that “so you’re white” nonsense.

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Anonymous #5 4w

Legally speaking, grandparents are considered immediate family in America at least. I said you were white because when I mentioned that the average family unit that you were describing is a European/white idea, you mentioned you were Eastern European. I took that as you saying that eastern Europeans aren’t white. Your family has the exact family structure that I was talking about.

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Anonymous OP 4w

i don’t know any american that has all generations living under the same roof. you’re the one making white as the default in this country. i never said eastern europeans aren’t white, i’m saying my familial circumstances and what is considered normal for me is because i was raised by my eastern european immigrant parents and also got to be raised in the same nuclear family dynamic they had too for a bit early on in my life in guess where eastern europe

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Anonymous #5 4w

So just because you don’t know any Americans that have all generations living under the same roof means there are any? 😭😭😭 it is most definitely a thing here in America especially in more poor rural areas. You said that the mom staying with the kids and Dad working roles are a “a product of practical survival roles” which is not true. That idea is specifically European/white. There are plenty of communities on this earth that don’t follow that kind of family unit.

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Anonymous OP 4w

holy moly you are more dense than i imagined. i give you an inch you take a mile, is there something you won’t straw man or exaggerate? it is a product of practical survival roles, that’s literally where the idea of hunters and scavengers come from. and yea, guess what, i grew up in a poor rural area, my family was one of the only white families there. we had no choice bc my fam moved here w/nothing. idk anyone who does bc i don’t live in that area anymore. seriously what is your damage?

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