Anonymous #1 2d

unfortunately there are plenty of religious girls in here that act like this.

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Anonymous OP 2d

genuine insanity. hope Being Normal™️ finds them soon

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Anonymous #4 2d

religion can absolutely be criticized. anything can.

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Anonymous #3 2d

right… and i’m saying that people are allowed to criticize and dislike religion as a whole. disliking religion and criticizing it is different than belittling a person. i’m not talking ab belittling people on my post.

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Anonymous OP 2d

Sure but that doesn’t mean you need to. You can disagree but at a certain point just let people believe what they believe

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Anonymous #4 2d

i’m allowed to criticize religion. criticizing a PERSON vs criticizing a RELIGION is different. i don’t care what people believe and if i do i keep it to myself.

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Anonymous OP 2d

That would be like if I criticized gay people in general but then was like oh but I love my gay best friend though. I would get cancelled for that

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Anonymous #4 2d

Not at all the same.

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Anonymous #4 2d

that’s… not the same. the whataboutism is showing.

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Anonymous #2 2d

It’s the concept that criticizing a belief is criticizing someone’s entire livelihood in many cases

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Anonymous #4 2d

criticizing a religion is different compared to criticizing a person and if you can’t understand that, that’s on you.

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Anonymous OP 2d

Ik im not trying to disregard what u said i actually agree with u im just saying there are those who do criticize that belittle ppl for believing in their religion

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Anonymous OP 2d

what religion are you denouncing by chance

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Anonymous #4 2d

any religion… religion in general can be criticized.

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Anonymous OP 2d

i’m allowed to hate religion if i want to. that’s my choice. you can’t make me feel bad for it if that’s what you’re attempting to do. 😭

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Anonymous OP 2d

not at all. have a blessed day

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Anonymous #4 2d

exactly.

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Anonymous #4 2d

Yeah, being gay isn’t a “belief”, it’s simply a fact of who someone is. Religion is a choice, being gay is not. They are not comparable.

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Anonymous #2 2d

That wasn’t the point I was making

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Anonymous #4 2d

she’s right though. they aren’t comparable. religion and sexuality are different and two separate things.

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Anonymous #4 1d

It is, though. And it was wrong.

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Anonymous #4 1d

why do i have a sneaking suspicion you’re christian and against people who aren’t cis and straight…. hm.

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Anonymous #2 1d

I think the bottom line is, just be kind and understanding to other people’s beliefs. If they’re not killing or threatening anyone. Being rude to them only divides us more

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Anonymous #4 1d

again, my post isn’t about criticizing people. it’s about criticizing religion. i’ve explained that to you 3 times and now i’m annoyed. you’re missing the entire point.

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Anonymous OP 1d

That’s not true at all.

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Anonymous #4 1d

okay, well i urge you to understand that a sexuality is not a belief system.

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Anonymous OP 1d

I understand that’s it’s not something that you just decide you are. But it’s something that you identify as, like how people identify with their religion. It’s your identity. And if someone’s devoted to their religion then it’s not going to change them anyways so why is there a need to be rude to them?

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Anonymous #4 1d

who said i’m being rude to religious people? you’re confusing yourself and i’m just going to end the conversation here. as i said to you previously: there’s a difference between criticizing a RELIGION vs criticizing a PERSON. if you don’t understand that, i don’t know what to tell you. have a nice day.

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Anonymous OP 1d

God bless you.

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Anonymous #4 1d

Yeah, still not even remotely the same. Congrats on missing the point and still making incorrect and misleading comparisons between two completely unrelated concepts.

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Anonymous #4 1d

Keep that shit to yourself, too. OP may not criticise the individuals but when you’re acting like this I sure as hell will.

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Anonymous #4 1d

don’t tell god to bless me when you’re acting like a weirdo freak 😭

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Anonymous #2 1d

This response is just proving our case.

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Anonymous #4 1d

girl… you keep digging yourself into a hole you can’t get out of.

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Anonymous #4 1d

Proving the case that religion is bullshit and it creates and harbours toxicity? You’re right in that regard.

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Anonymous OP 1d

I was under the impression that you were done with the conversation.

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Anonymous #4 1d

i was but you keep saying bullshit so

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Anonymous #2 1d

THIS. religion is so toxic speaking from experience of me being religious until i was 18.

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Anonymous OP 1d

It’s not, the reason I said you’re proving my point is because you are now attacking me personally which is what I initially said was wrong

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Anonymous #4 1d

i’m not attacking you. i’ve explained to you three different times that criticizing religion versus a person is different. you also tried to compare religion and sexuality. so yes i’m annoyed with you because you refuse to understand what me and #2 are saying.

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Anonymous OP 1d

and I’m sorry you feel this way. Let’s just agree to disagree atp

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Anonymous #4 1d

I’m attacking you at this point! 🙋🏻‍♀️

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Anonymous #4 1d

there’s the good ol’ christian saying! “i’m sorry you feel that way.” and i’m sorry that you have zero reading comprehension skills at your grown age. embarrassing.

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Anonymous OP 1d

There’s a difference between the way we’re speaking here. There’s no need to be degrading.

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Anonymous #2 1d

the “i’m sorry you feel that way” is so on brand for her 😭 knew it would slip out eventually

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Anonymous #4 1d

you telling me “i’m sorry you feel that way.” is degrading in itself my friend.

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Anonymous #4 1d

Your entire cult degrades everyone, so…

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Anonymous #2 1d

I’m not involved in a cult. And we love everyone despite the narrative that so many have come to believe.

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Anonymous #4 1d

so do you support same sex marriage? the entire LGBTQIA+ community? their rights? etc

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Anonymous #4 1d

It’s a blood and death cult. There’s no way around that. And, no, you don’t actually love everyone. You can’t be Christian and love everyone— those are incompatible. Per your own mythology.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Yes, I have a cousin who’s a lesbian and so is one of my best friends. I love them just the same as anyone else.

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Anonymous #4 1d

so then… why did you make the comparison above acting like being gay was a belief system when it isn’t ?

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Anonymous #4 1d

“I tokenise a few people so I can pretend my cult doesn’t actually hate them and want them to suffer and die ‘cause I’m so great! 🫶🏻”

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Anonymous OP 1d

I didn’t say it was a belief system, you said that. The comparison was about how degrading people’s livelihood is not okay, no matter what’s important to them and even if you disagree with them

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Anonymous #2 1d

I don’t want them to suffer, I love them and they’re my family. I wouldn’t come to a place like kent if I couldn’t handle that kind of thing

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Anonymous #4 1d

Again, being gay is not a choice. Believing your myths is a choice. They are not comparable. Criticising religion and limiting its overreach does not harm people (believing in it does, though), but going after gay people gets them killed.

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Anonymous #2 1d

Criticizing me is not going to “limit its overreach.” In fact it reassures me of why I take pride in being nice to other people

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Anonymous #4 1d

Being Christian and supporting the abusive cult it is ≠ being nice to others.

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Anonymous #2 1d

I’m curious what you believe is abusive about it. We pray for people who are struggling and conflicted. We give thanks for what we have. No part of it is attacking or abusing anyone.

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Anonymous #4 1d

let’s see: the majority of religious people ESP christian’s hate anyone/everyone in the LGBTQIA+ community, they shame people who have sex before marriage even though it’s not their business, they’re pro life, do i need to go on

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Anonymous #4 1d

Ah, yes, prayer. Not only does it do nothing, but it serves to insult others while they’re down. “Let me pray to my mythological figure who doesn’t give a fuck about you while I take my money and give it to the church for them to cover up CSA, withhold food to communities ravaged by colonialism until they convert, and slither our way into politics to make sure anyone not like us cannot exist.”

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Anonymous #4 1d

You seem to forget about the numerous genocides committed in the name of religion. How Christian settlers *specifically* set out to murder Queer Indigenous people as part of the effort to “kill the Indian, save the man”. Oh! Can’t forget the kind and loving Christians who want homeless people executed, think drug addicts are a scourge on the world, did NOTHING for people with AIDS, how you left people to rot in prison after leaving concentration camps simply because they were Queer… nonstop.

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Anonymous #2 1d

We give to the homeless every week. Most of the money that we raise right now is going to the people that are being denied of snap benefits. And we send care packages to countries who are at war, people who are in prison, in poverty. We just want people to be loved and cared for

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Anonymous #4 1d

Can’t forget in your own myths: the amount of violence against children, specifically, is a notable example. The constant sexual assault and mistreatment of women. Nothing said AGAINST slavery, only how to keep it up. And no, it’s not acceptable because “it was a different time”. Wrong is fucking wrong. Your “god” can’t say not to “own” or beat other people, but makes it a note NUMEROUS times to only worship it? The fucking ego.

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Anonymous #4 1d

i love how you’re only replying to her and not to me so what’s tea?

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Anonymous #4 1d

Oh, sure, $5 of every $100 that comes in to keep up appearances. The lawyers to cover up CSA cost a lot, though.

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Anonymous OP 1d

We’ve got a sign with the pride flag outside our door that says “you are welcome here.” And if people get pregnant before marriage they are 100% welcome to the church. They are not sent away or looked down upon

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Anonymous #4 1d

Still doesn’t change the root of the issues: the religion itself.

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Anonymous #4 1d

they’re welcomed but is it because you’re trying to convert them and make them feel bad or is it because you genuinely support them

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Anonymous OP 1d

And, as we’ve seen— especially in southern Africa— it’s for conversion. Create instability, promise better, keep you struggling so you keep turning back to the ones “offering help” who created the problems to begin with.

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Anonymous #2 1d

I can’t speak on other branches of Christianity but as for us, we serve the lord and we help others. Maybe the real “mythology” is the stigma created about god fearing people.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Because we genuinely support them. They can come in and chat with us, get some food if they need it, come to worship if they want, and will be treated just the same. Nobody is going to interrogate them or anything like that

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Anonymous #4 1d

“Serve the lord” the same one that tells you to kill disobedient children, who interferes when it wants to and pretends it doesn’t, who is all knowing but has to “test” faith, all powerful but can’t defeat its opponents, wants everyone to “go to heaven” yet dishes out permanent punishment for finite crimes. Suuuure. Sooooo loving.

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Anonymous #2 1d

Well these are all assumptions, none of which are actually true. Also I’m not from South Africa so I’m not sure what that practice is.

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Anonymous #4 1d

Christianity. That’s what it is. That’s what keeps people fucking suffering. It’s what gets in the way of progress and decency.

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Anonymous #2 1d

Why would someone create a greater need for them to have to give money away? That doesn’t make sense and I would like to know where this info is coming from

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Anonymous #4 1d

what are you even saying

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Anonymous OP 1d

I’m saying that we have a good amount of random accusations here and I would like to know where’s the proof that this all falls back on christians

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Anonymous #4 1d

it’s about noticing trends and patterns of people within the religion itself.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Ok so just noticing. Not researching or looking at facts or finding an actual accredited source that can tell us that this is all our fault.

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Anonymous #4 1d

sweetheart, in the most respectful way possible i grew up christian for 18 years of my life and i left for a reason. the criticism i have toward it is entirely justified after the amount of trauma i went through.

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Anonymous OP 1d

And since you used the term “trends” there are people pointing out the amount of school shooters who overwhelming happen to be trans. I personally don’t generalize in that situation, but that’s basically what you’re doing here.

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Anonymous OP 1d

and… yes a lot of the hatred christianity faces is due to how the people within it act. speaking from experience.

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Anonymous #4 1d

most school shooters are cis white straight men. do not piss me off.

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Anonymous OP 1d

well I’m sorry that you had a bad experience, I really truly am. But we can’t just say oh that one church was really bad to me so I hate all churches and every single christians a bad person.

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Anonymous #4 1d

the fact that i went to 3 separate churches and all of them were bad speaks volumes to me. i do in fact hate all churches and i am not fond of the majority of christians out there, especially living in a red state. the way i feel is valid and i will not let someone else convince me otherwise.

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Anonymous OP 1d

What was bad about them?

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Anonymous #4 1d

the people, how they treated me, how they treated others, what they said to/about me, the things that were taught, etc.

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Anonymous OP 1d

were they congregating together and saying “hmm what can we do this week to make sure that the kids in Africa continue to starve and that LGBTQ people feel worse about themselves?”

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Anonymous #4 1d

huh? i never mentioned anything ab africa ask #2 bc she brought it up and that might be her own experience

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Anonymous #4 1d

Congrats on once again ignoring the points being made. Colonialism and the harms brought about it are directly tied to abrahamic mythologies. Y’all create wealth disparities to harm the indigenous and force them to take handouts from you to convert.

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Anonymous OP 1d

right so I’m not the only one that doesn’t know what she means by that

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Anonymous #4 1d

You know exactly what I mean because I explained it clearly. You’re just pulling a christian move and being the most obtuse motherfuckers to pretend you don’t cause harm when that’s all you all do.

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Anonymous #2 1d

I don’t. what are we supposed to do, move out of the United States and give it back to the people who were here before?

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Anonymous #4 1d

We messed up but that wasn’t gods fault it was our fault.

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Anonymous #4 1d

Your god doesn’t exist. People do. The consequences of your mythology do.

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Anonymous #2 1d

People were going to go to other parts of the world anyways for exploration and they would have taken the materials. It would have still happened even if the religious aspect wasn’t there.

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Anonymous #4 1d

Aaaaand there’s the “justification”. “They would have been murdered and pillaged and enslaved anyway but it’s better it was Christians doing it 🥺” Fuck that and fuck you for thinking it.

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Anonymous #2 1d

Well I’m not just going to act like it didn’t happen but I mean yes it would have happened anyways. This was also our ancestors so instead of just dwelling on what happened we’re better off changing for the better and living anew

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Anonymous #4 1d

Or maybe we should just all live in hatred and continue to dwell on things that can’t be changed and be depressed forever and criticize people for wanting to spread good in the world.

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Anonymous #4 1d

hey! so actually we stole the land from immigrants and natives. none of the land we are on is legally ours.

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Anonymous OP 1d

and white christian nationalism has everything to do with it.

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Anonymous #4 1d

you can spread good things religion isn’t the only good thing

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Anonymous OP 1d

Alright so should we give it back? The damage has already been done years and years ago.

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Anonymous #4 1d

yes! actually we should. indigenous people deserve to have their land back just like palestine deserves to have their land and people back.

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Anonymous #4 1d

“Things are shit, things are bad. But it’s not worse than it could be so we don’t need to make things better.” Again— FT, FY.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Then why are you still here.

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Anonymous #4 1d

girl what? i’m here because colonizers stole the land… just as it is the same for you.

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Anonymous #2 1d

“Things are bad. But I don’t want to be blamed for it so let’s just blame it on the christians and spread even more hate.” Great idea

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Anonymous #4 1d

i don’t think you understand how negatively white christian nationalism has impacted the country.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Yeah well if you want to give it back and do justice then why are you continuing to live on stolen land

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Anonymous #4 1d

because the govt won’t give the land back to the indigenous people and the govt has permanent ownership of it now. that’s the problem.

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Anonymous OP 1d

So then there’s nothing we can do about it. And it’s not like Americans wake up and say wow I can’t do anything good in life or enjoy anything because we’re living on land that was stolen 500 years ago.

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Anonymous #4 1d

i’m not saying we can’t enjoy things but it’s good to acknowledge that we are in fact on stolen land. you sound like a republican rn.

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Anonymous OP 1d

I am fully acknowledging it. I said I’m not going to act like it didn’t happen. But why are we talking about it if there’s nothing that we can actively do right now to fix the problem and if trying to fix it would just make things worse

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Anonymous #4 1d

you’re ignorant oh brother

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Anonymous OP 1d

I’m saying what I think. This whole thing has already got out of hand

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Anonymous #4 1d

trying to fix it wouldn’t make things worse but ok!

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Anonymous OP 1d

What is your proposal as to how we should fix this

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Anonymous #4 1d

get rid of capitalism which is a whole other event in itself

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Anonymous OP 1d

And all of the abrahamic myths while we’re at it.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Hope you don’t plan on making a lot of money w your career

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Anonymous #4 1d

girl huh ??? i already make a shit ton of money for how old i am. what an odd thing to say.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Well you’re going to lose it all without capitalism. They’ll make you share all that money that you’ve worked hard to earned with other people who haven’t earned it

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Anonymous #4 1d

you mean my tax money? i hope it goes to people who need it.

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Anonymous OP 1d

It won’t, trust.

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Anonymous #4 1d

well i hope it does eventually :)

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Anonymous OP 1d

Aw that’s sweet. That’s a good Christian way of thinking I like that.

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Anonymous #4 1d

i’m not christian but you do you.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Figures the dumbass defends the blood cult AND capitalism. Once again showing how “loving” they all are, being perfectly content with people dying under oppressive systems that cannot be sustained.

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Anonymous #4 1d

Imagine thinking people have to fucking “earn” food, housing, healthcare, and education. You’re fucking sick and you disgust me.

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Anonymous #2 1d

I mean communism hasn’t worked before ever in history and that’s why it’s not around anymore. Again I’m not against helping people in need otherwise we wouldn’t be donating our money to them

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Anonymous #4 1d

You are, though. You think people have to fucking “earn” the bare minimum to survive. You are abhorrent and show exactly what’s wrong with your mythology.

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Anonymous #2 1d

Ok so what if all the churches/ soup kitchens/ other religious organizations just stopped offering help? That would definitely be detrimental which shows we’re making some difference.

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Anonymous #4 1d

it wouldn’t change anything. the amount of help you give isn’t enough to even help poor people. it would still be ten same.

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Anonymous OP 1d

I feel that you would be hostile towards us no matter what we did. We are literally trying to help people. Of course we can’t solve poverty but we’re doing what we can.

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Anonymous #4 1d

and that’s your opinion. again as i said previously i heavily criticize christianity since i grew up that way for 18 years and disagree with it almost entirely.

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Anonymous OP 1d

You can disagree but it’s not ok to just blame all the world’s problems on us.

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Anonymous #4 1d

i’m not blaming but most of them are. white christian nationalism is why the govt is the way it is and it’s why women are getting their rights taken away, why POCs and indigenous groups are automatic targets for ICE, it’s also why the racism here is so bad and no one wants genetic diversity. everything is about white white white. theres a huge issue with that and you know it.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Yes of course it’s sad that those people are being targeted. But why are a lot of these people christians themselves? Being christian doesn’t mean “I hate everyone who’s not white and American”

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Anonymous #4 1d

christian’s are not oppressed. POC, indigenous people, LGBTQIA+ people, etc… are.

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Anonymous OP 1d

There are absolutely christians who are oppressed and live very difficult lives. Some are immigrants, homeless, some are even part of the lgbtq community and they continue their faith in god

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Anonymous #4 1d

they’re oppressed because they’re immigrants, homeless, and in the LGBTQIA+ community. not because they’re religious. if you can’t understand that idk what to tell you and i’m officially ending the conversation because you’re stupid.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Well don’t you think if they thought Christianity was to blame they would stop being religious? Anyways, have a blessed day.

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Anonymous #4 1d

Wanna really help? Let’s start by keeping religion out of other people’s bodies and healthcare needs. Tax the churches since they want to run like businesses with all of the benefits and none of the accountability. Put that money toward safety nets in communities, not Cheryl’s shitty bake sales.

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Anonymous #2 1d

They’re tax exempt because they’re charitable organizations. And I’m sorry that there’s people who want babies to be killed but as far as I know it’s legal in Ohio so they’re getting their way anyways

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Anonymous #4 1d

“Charitable” 🤣 Your ilk sicken me.

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