Anonymous #2 8w

the only time people want that option through the third trimester is when there’s complications that put the mothers life in danger

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Anonymous #3 8w

That is something wildly different. Classified as an abortion yes, but that baby was wanted. There are people who do want abortion thru the third trimester for the sake of not wanting a baby

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Anonymous #2 8w

that’s very rare though, and not what “most pro choice people want”

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Anonymous #2 8w

My dude who is willingly waiting until the third trimester for an abortion 😭

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Anonymous #2 8w

no one will go through a whole pregnancy and experience the pain and suffering of a whole pregnancy just to intentionally get an abortion at the end. it’s because they don’t have another choice. sounds like hell to me. that just doesn’t happen.

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Anonymous #6 8w

bro?? an abortion is a choice. an accidental miscarriage is not. obviously one would be sad 😭

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Anonymous #7 8w

Yes but it but it partially devalues the life that the woman lost and is mourning. Imagine hearing that the child you lost isn’t a real human because of when you lost the pregnancy

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Anonymous #6 8w

ohh i see where ur coming from. but to be fair no one is talking about accidental miscarriages in this scenario. but yes that is an insensitive thing to say in that context

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Anonymous #2 8w

gahdamn you're dumb

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Anonymous #7 8w

“It’s only sad when it’s not murder”

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Anonymous #9 8w

no one said anything about murder

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Anonymous #7 8w

Dismembering a baby, crushing his or her skull, draining the brains out and reassembling all the body parts is murder

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Anonymous #9 8w

a fetus is by definition neither a baby nor a person

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Anonymous #9 8w

a baby…?? dude please pick up a biology book- a fetus is NOT a baby 😭 a baby is a stage of development of a human AFTER it’s born

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Anonymous OP 8w

And before anyone comes at me with being careless about using protection, I have an IUD and also it was nonconsensual

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Anonymous OP 8w

SAME i had a pregnancy scare bc it was non consensual and if i was pregnant i would’ve aborted bc i’m in college, way too young, and it wasn’t even consensual

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Anonymous #7 8w

Ok 🤷‍♀️ dismembering a human, crushing his or her skull, draining the brains out and reassembling all the body parts is murder

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Anonymous #9 8w

no one said they aren’t humans. but they’re not the same thing as a person. a fetus is not a person

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Anonymous OP 8w

Sorry you went through that 🩷 there is a reason your gut was telling you it was scary and sad.

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Anonymous #7 8w

The moment you try to claim certain groups of humans “aren’t people,” you use the same logic that’s caused every major human rights violation, from slavery to genocide. All humans have human rights.

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Anonymous #9 8w

Except when other people say that, they’re overlooking clear signs of personhood. What signs of personhood does a fetus or an embryo have?

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Anonymous #7 8w

If I was actually pregnant and gave birth, I never would’ve been able to give it a good life. I’m also in college, and working paycheck to paycheck just to support myself. People could argue to give it up for adoption but that’s also expensive

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Anonymous #9 8w

Coercion is scary and sad, that’s why. Hope this helps

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Anonymous #9 8w

And the vast majority of abortions aren’t that… so…

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Anonymous #9 8w

it becomes more and more apparent that y'all are genuinely too uneducated and ignorant to reason with, and that you'll simply need to be disenfranchised for the sake of humanity's wellbeing and progress human (noun) is not the same as human (adjective). my skin cells are human, not human beings. the cell cluster that is a fetus is human, not a human being. saying "a human (noun)" is no different than saying person, neither of which applies to a fetus

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Anonymous #9 8w

i also find it fascinating that you fixate on a process that's incredibly rare. what percentage of abortions happen this way? do you even know? probably not. do you know *why* they happen? because i promise you the overwhelming majority of pregnant people who have these late term abortions didn't want to remove it in the first place and even if it wasn't rare (which it is) i still wouldn't care. that fetus is destructive to the body of an actual fucking person! an actual human being!

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Anonymous #8 8w

I’ve answered questions about every stage abortions on this thread, not just late term. I’ve also answered your questions elsewhere on this thread but here’s the info again. 10% of abortions are later term, I said 80,000 a year but I just checked the new data and it’s now 110,000 humans being killed annually. Planned Parenthood is adamant they can happen for any reason. Abortion is m destructive to a pregnant person especially after 20 weeks when it is riskier for the mother than early delivery.

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Anonymous #9 8w

late term abortions (occurring after 21 weeks) represent around 1% of abortions. roughly 80% of abortions happen before 10 weeks. planned parenthood aren't the only people performing abortions. once again, it is apparent that yall are deeply uneducated and misinformed

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Anonymous #8 8w

I said elsewhere on this thread that 3rd trimester is 1%, late term is 10% which includes 2nd & third. That’s still 10,000 and 110,000 people, it really doesn’t matter that it’s a small overall percentage. In fact it should make it easier for you to disavow them. I also never claimed PP is the only abortion provider, but that they are the largest. They at least are honest about why people get abortions.

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Anonymous OP 8w

It’s actually free for the birth mother. By your logic we should just kill all the kids who are born into tough circumstances.

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Anonymous #3 8w

Abortion providers have made statements that third trimester abortions are sought for any reason including elective. Abortion is a much more dangerous option for the mother in the third trimester than induced early delivery, which ends the pregnancy faster and more safely for the mother while not killing the human inside.

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Anonymous #9 8w

20+ weeks is the start point that the overwhelming majority of providers and legal experts use to roughly define a "late term" abortion, which is not formally defined

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Anonymous #9 8w

fetuses. we've already covered this. they're not people. they're not human beings. idk why you think saying a large number of cell clusters are terminated is going to make me... disavow... a critical medical procedure 😂

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Anonymous #8 7w

Sure, when I say late term I’m fine clarifying I mean 2nd & 3rd trimester. Of the 4 abortion procedures 2 of them are after 1st trimester. Not sure how this proves any sort of point for you when either way we’re talking about tens of thousands of people.

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Anonymous #8 7w

Fetus is a developmental term for humans just like newborn, infant, and adult. Trying to claim certain groups of humans are not “human beings” has been the attempted justification for every major genocide and human rights violation. All humans have human rights.

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Anonymous #8 7w

Dismembering a prematurely born baby is also “terminating a large cluster of cells.” Unaliving an adult is also “terminating a large cluster of cells.” You can reword things in an attempt to sugarcoat but in all of these cases you are intentionally ending a unique human life which meets the definition of killing.

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Anonymous #9 7w

when *you* say late term you're referring to a period that virtually no providers use. this is an intentional tactic fronted by the think tanks that manufactured the beliefs you hold to make it seem like an extreme number of abortions are happening when a fetus is nearly developed. the point? rejecting intellectually dishonest frameworks

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Anonymous #9 7w

trying to teach you that a fetus is not a person is simply my attempt at properly educating you. you do not know the meaning of the word genocide. let's learn: the intent to destroy, in part or in whole, a national, racial, ethnic, or religious group. fetuses are not people, and fetuses are certainly not a national group, racial group, ethnic group or religious group i find the misuse and weaponization of the term "genocide" by you anti-choice cretins to be genuinely disgusting and sickening

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Anonymous #9 7w

"prematurely born baby" is a misnomer. aborted fetuses are not prematurely born nor are they babies. it would be more accurate to say "dismembering a miscarriage", as "miscarriage" and "abortion" refer to the same bodily process. but then of course you would lose all your narrative "umph". i could also say the same: dismembering miscarriages is just terminating cell clusters. so what?

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Anonymous #9 7w

shake ur head and lemme know if u hear rocks 😂 that’s actually the worst response you could’ve come up with 😭

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Anonymous #9 7w

you can reword things in an attempt to create a emotionally charged narrative but at the end of the day abortion is simply terminating cell clusters. it's also a critical medical procedure that shouldn't be hindered or influenced by the political and religious ideologies of people who aren't getting the abortion and aren't carrying the fetus

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Anonymous #8 7w

Yep I meant exactly what I said, a preemie. A baby born outside the womb at 7 months. By your logic that baby is still a “cluster of cells.” Miscarriage (spontaneous abortion) is not the same medically or legally as induced abortion that we are discussing, quite obvious. You’re not “terminating” a miscarriage because there is no life present, so there is nothing to terminate. Let me know if you have more questions.

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Anonymous #8 7w

Totally agree, let’s just stick to science and the facts without emotion. All humans are cluster cells so it’s important to use our critical thinking skills here. A procedure that always kills at least 1 human if done successfully is not medically critical. Any injustice toward other humans is on the table for others to defend.

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Anonymous #7 7w

Did you know a human in utero has his/her brain start developing at 5-7 weeks? Brainwaves at 6-8 weeks at ability to feel pain around week 22. Pretty cool.

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Anonymous OP 7w

Totally agree, coerced abortion is horrible especially because it’s estimated 30%-90% of abortions per year are the result of coercion. If the reason abortion would have been scary and sad for OP is that it would have been coerced to have one, she definitely should not have had one.

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Anonymous #9 7w

Twisting my words like that is crazy. IF I were actually pregnant it would’ve been on my own terms. I do not have the physical, financial, or emotional capacity to carry out a pregnancy.

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Anonymous #9 7w

There’s no human inside lol it’s still a fetus

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Anonymous #9 7w

No kid deserves to be born into a world they can’t grow and thrive in. “Free” financially, sure. Emotionally, occupationally, physically, psychologically? Absolutely not.

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Anonymous OP 7w

So we should kill humans who might have emotional, occupational, physical, or psychological struggles? By that logic killing all the infants with the same likelihood of suffering would make sensev

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Anonymous OP 7w

“Having to remove any sort of growing thing inside of me was scary to me” if someone was coercing you to do that, aren’t they coercing you to have an abortion?

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Anonymous #4 7w

All humans have human rights. People who try to use “personhood” arguments to take away rights from certain groups of humans are why we got slavery, every genocide, and other human rights violations. No. All humans have human rights.

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Anonymous OP 7w

What species is the fetus if not human?

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Anonymous #9 7w

Nobody was coercing me to have an abortion because I wasn’t pregnant HELLO???

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Anonymous #9 7w

I can’t find the comment, but I liked and wanted to refer to #8 explaining the difference between “human” noun vs. “human” adjective. It is a fetus made up of human (adjective) cells. It is not a human (noun).

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Anonymous #9 7w

So you can set that argument aside since it’s already been settled 🩷

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Anonymous OP 7w

Totally but in this case we are talking about human the noun because we are talking about a distinct human life. That comment was saying for example human hair or human nail clippings are not a human, noun. A fetus is a distinct human life and therefore is the noun, unlike body parts like the mother’s human hair, dead human skin cells etc.

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Anonymous #9 7w

It’s not a life tho lol

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Anonymous #9 7w

those were my comments and OP is correct in their interpretation of them

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Anonymous #9 7w

in the phrase “a human fetus,” “a” = article, “human” = adjective, “fetus” = noun. hope that helps!

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Anonymous OP 7w

Biology tells us it is a life.

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Anonymous #3 7w

“Human adult,” “human toddler,” “human newborn,” “human being.” We can do this all day

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Anonymous #9 7w

this is not a chick. this is not a chicken. this is not a hen. this is a chicken egg. an egg is a stage of development of a chicken that is not a chicken. smashing an egg is not killing a chicken i admit this isn't the best comparison i could make, but i find mammal fetuses gross. so i'll just make another point...

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Anonymous #9 7w

if i mixed 100 pictures of mammal fetuses almost nobody could tell me what species they belong to even given they had pictures of those animals born... because those fetuses aren't the animals they will become. they are fetuses. a dolphin is a dolphin; baby, teen, adult or otherwise. a dolphin fetus is not a dolphin

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Anonymous #9 7w

you would be called ridiculous if you said that egg was a chicken, or that a zebra fetus is a zebra. i believe you should be called ridiculous for treating humans that way too. because it is. it is largely religiously motivated, scientifically and intellectually bankrupt, *nonsensical* moral outrage manufactured by billions of dollars in spending over decades to undermine a vulnerable population: people capable of pregnancy

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Anonymous #8 7w

We actually do realize the young animals present in fertilized eggs, which is why it’s illegal to damage the eggs of native birds, migratory species, etc. Both federal and international law protects sea turtle eggs. A fetus is a developmental term, every single adult once was one. I totally agree we can just stick to science and facts, not sure why you brought religion up. The most vulnerable population is the one who can’t speak for themselves, in this case our youngest humans

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Anonymous #8 7w

If you stood miles away from a group of people, dogs, and cows, you might not be able to make out which dots are humans and which are animals. That doesn’t mean the humans are any less human.

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Anonymous #8 7w

Yes, baby, teen, adult or otherwise: “or otherwise” would cover any other phase of development, including fetus. It would be very silly if you tried to argue “that’s not a dolphin, it’s a baby!” Or “that’s not a human, it’s a toddler!” Stage of development does not change the fact that there is a unique human life present

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Anonymous #9 7w

girl have you tried therapy?

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Anonymous #3 7w

Hey! Yeah therapy is great. Any updates on your stance for 3rd trimester abortions? Early delivery is a safer and faster option than abortion for the mother. 🙂

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Anonymous #9 7w

i said most couldn't identify mammal fetuses. i *never* said people couldn't identify eggs, because eggs are pretty identifiable. this is a strawman. additionally i never said "at a distance" because most couldn't identify most living things a mile out with the naked eye regardless. another straw man once again, even given pictures of the 100 born mammals, most people couldn't identify which fetuses would become those animals

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Anonymous #9 7w

"otherwise" covers all other nomenclature for born animals, including humans; not fetuses. i would never argue that a baby dolphin isn't a dolphin because a born animal is the animal, which i clearly stated. again, a strawman and a horrible failure to comprehend basic english. i would, however, argue that the dolphin fetus is not a dolphin... because it isn't 😂

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Anonymous #9 7w

"early delivery" you mean induced preterm labor?

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Anonymous #8 7w

Yes

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Anonymous #8 7w

It’s the same argument though. “I would never argue that a human infant is a human! It isn’t a human! It’s an infant!” You’re going to need to explain why exactly you think there’s a difference and what specifically makes a fetus “not a human”. Happy to address whatever you come up with.

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Anonymous #8 7w

Idk if you know what a straw man argument is? You’re saying someone’s ability to correctly identity a human as a human vs. other animals somehow makes them less human. I’m providing other examples with the same logic to show it doesn’t hold up. Your inability to distinguish a human fetus by looking at it doesn’t determine his/her value. Plenty of people can’t identify species by looking at an egg. Silly regardless because you know how you know a fetus is human? ..It’s inside a pregnant human

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Anonymous #2 6w

Came back just to say fuck Massachusetts and those are the freaks I’d refer to

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