
OP im going to tell u this purely from a place of love and hope for you. if this many people are clearly explaining to you where you went wrong, then maybe you were simply just wrong. we all make mistakes, its okay. you came here for answers and advice, but when it was given, you doubled down instead of accepting it. we are all trying to help but u wont accept the help. you will recover from this mentally and financially, but the first step is saying ok its time to change course.
What pyramid scheme? We don’t force anyone to buy our products and we are like family. We didn’t force anyone to buy our shakes and products for weight loss. Girl I have 2 babies. We literally just have a store selling shakes, we sell powder too but is there anything wrong with that?
herbalife is a pyramid scheme. i’m not judging but that’s how you were able to start a “business” without doing like research about how to do public relations, how to deal with competition, and why it was so easy for your friend to copy your business model and get product wholesale from your supplier
That’s not our friend but we don’t hate him because we don’t hate people. We pray for him to be good but he doesn’t use Herbalife at all. He is attacking Herbalife and mainly anyone that uses it and people believe him. Also he was another religion and he found it offensive when we invited him to our church. He also sent people to harass our employees. His products are more expensive than ours but he still sells well. We also get review bombed too.
How is it? We don’t get people to sign up or we don’t force them to buy products if they don’t want to. If they want to buy the powder they can but he literally has bots on our TikTok attacking us, he is attacking people with Herbalife stores and people are liking his message. We never wronged anyone.
congratulations on the newborn! good luck with your business degree, my recommendation would be to get out of the herbalife business, if you don’t have a really big client base the main way to make money (as with any mlm or pyramid scheme) is to get new recruits to buy in which then you’re just kicking the can down the road to someone else. if you’re not learning anything in your classes to deal with this situation it’s probably best to cut your losses and find a less sketchy way to get paid
Girl you are being outperformed. I don’t like some of his tactics but he is deservingly outperforming you and smarter than you guys. Don’t get me wrong he is cunning but you are keeping homophobic employees as a sign of “loyalty.” You guys did nothing to address this situation. Also if he was another religion and you kept inviting him to church or tried to convert him or speak about Jesus, he would get offended.
We love everyone and just because some people might not agree with someone’s life choices, that doesn’t mean we hate them. Also there are 1800 different events that the bible predicted carefully about the future at 100% accuracy. I am a loving forgiving person because that’s what we do. His religion literally has a sword at his prayer site which signifies violence.
Yeah no wonder you offended him, you offended a Sikh? There are only 25M-30M of them and they take so much pride in their religion and you guys repeatedly tried inviting him to a church even when he supported your business before. Bro you guys indirectly offended the wrong group and you are getting karma. He is an opportunist but he is beating you guys and his message is probably better.
girl i was believing you until you said that sikhism has violence. one of the most peaceful religions there are, with some of the kindest and truest people out there. do some research on the sword and the religion before saying shit like that. also, fire the homophobic employee. if you’re a real ally, you would not knowingly employ them. finally, yes herbalife is a pyramid scheme and it took me 3 minutes of google to know this. cut ur losses baddie it’ll get better i promise
This is how you talk about his religion and you’re surprised he got mad at y’all? I want to try to communicate to you as gently as possible. When you invite someone to your church, you see it as a sign of love and you are trying to save someone’s soul. For a devoted member of a minority religion, it’s at best kind of annoying, and at worst extremely insulting. *Especially* if you are persistent or insult his religion.
All we said was the only way to heaven was through Jesus Christ and that’s what our employees said? We invite people to our church to save them and give them love and community. We did literally so much for this guy and he backstabbed us and he is hiring bots to sabotage us. We wouldn’t go as low as he is and we don’t hate him but we pray for him.
Like the symbol of your religion is a method of torturous Roman execution. Your religion centers around a human sacrifice of God born to an human woman. You have a sacrament of eating his blood and flesh. That sounds pretty offensive when described that crudely does it not? Surely you can understand that there’s more to religious symbolism than a superficial description.
We aren’t disagreeing with you. He is doing too much and I agree that isn’t the most ethical thing to do but he is outperforming you on all fronts. You know Sikhs give free food to the community every Sunday? If you keep talking about Jesus around him besides saying bless you, they will find it offensive. Those guys are very tolerant but Sikhs, forget it. You aren’t a minority poc to understand how he feels. He probably felt the love was conditional. I don’t agree with everything he did but
Look. I understand that from your perspective you are trying to save souls. For the perspective of a religious minority, you are insulting their culture, and even attempting to sabotage their own path to heaven. How would you feel if you lived in a Muslim country and all your neighbors were constantly trying to get you to convert to Islam?
but he is being honest and he is outclassing you. Herbalife is just a processed sugar shake. You guys are done for sorry. If you switch your product or change your menu now, people will think that you were doing something wrong this whole time. He is about to steamroll you guys. You can’t sue him either because you have to prove the bad reviews are about you and you already have homophobic employees you are doing nothing about.
I’m really sorry that you’re having a hard time. This must be really tough to deal with when you are working on school and when you have to worry about two young kids. But the business model where you are selling pre-manufactured goods makes it really easy for this stuff to happen. It’s the same reason you were able to get it started. There’s a very low barrier to entry, and it’s heavily reliant on trends.
He’s definitely an opportunist and he definitely decided to capitalize on your shortcomings. You and your hubby aren’t smart, you had the business handed to you and he saw the flaws in your model. You were already selling a bad product and he exposed it. Feeling betrayed is valid but he took it personally because you guys tried to proselytize him. I wouldn’t like if a friend did what he did but you guys were conditional and gave indirect micro aggressions. Hes not stupid.
I also don’t think he is going out and trying to convert people. I don’t think he has employees that are spreading homophobic rhetoric. He is cunning but I honestly don’t care, your product is so garbage and useless I don’t think you guys are even a legitimate business. Your products linked to liver cancer literally. You should just close the shop and try something new like coaching.
You get to heaven through Jesus Christ only. We are the truth, the bible predicted 1800 events from the future with 100% accuracy. I’m not in the business of hurting my friends or my family. I don’t hate him, I am a person full of love and nonviolence. That’s what we Christians are. He showed his true colors but god will make him pay for his sins when it comes time for Judgement Day.
You messed with a Sikh who steamrolled you as a HEAVY UNDERDOG. You still are dismissing his culture under your guise “of love and forgiveness.” I don’t blame him for what he did. This is free market capitalism anyways, you failed to innovate and adapt so a noob literally came in and threatened your customer base. This is too funny.
This is so funny, you are like a broken record and now you are using judgement day as a coping mechanism. Can you not evolve, can you not adapt? Are you and your husband that stupid? You had a huge head start and you could have stayed on top of this but look, you refuse to take any accountability. Christianity is not his religion, he’s a Sikh and Waheguru is his protector. Not your Jesus Christ.
You know what’s funny, most of us are abandoning the church and just so you know they go to a gurdwara. Not once do they try to convert you or turn anyone down for food based on religion. I’m on his side. You messed with the wrong guy. A Hindu might have not cared enough but you messed with a Sikh 😂.
Literally, you are not a health store. Open up a subway or Chick-fil-A. You even said he refuses to use s’mores or those fancy colorful flavors for his smoothies. He isn’t even selling added sugars or fillers in his products. He literally creamed you 😂. Literally go open up a subway, so many Americans are addicted to fast food. Your store isn’t for nutrition, it’s speeding up liver damage like drinking alcohol is 😂 .
i would say probably just leave this whole situation behind. the people, the brand, all of it. its just not worth the fight at this point for all parties involved. i can tell u have a lot of passion for so many things, for business, ur kids, ur religion, and probably much more. even if sometimes that passion gets misdirected, u can always come back from anything, bc bouncing back is the way of humans. if u take ur passions and find a way to do work with them, i think u could be more successful.
even if we may not agree with one another on all fronts, i really am being earnest when i say i can see your passion clear as day. that fire in you can be used for things much bigger and better than nutrition shakes. there is so much more out there for people who have so much passion.