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As a woman who was SA’d by a woman, I cannot have a female gyno. Maybe think about other people before making stupid statements?

Girl Talk 22h

Is to crazy for me to say that I think that men should be banned from gynecology? Like tell me why I go to the gyno and the first medical professional to walk into the room is a man. Like wtf no get the fuck out.

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Anonymous 21h

i was with op originally but this gave me a new perspective. i do however still think there should be more steps involved and investigation before a man becomes a gyno because truly what would they want want get out of working in that kind of field. like think about it

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Anonymous 22h

no fr op is dumb as fuck

Anonymous 21h

It’s honestly just a reflection of OPs ignorance and lack of nuance in perspective. Doctors do not sexualize body parts they work with every day. They are trained not to, and most naturally treat the job with respect and professionalism. Of course, there are exceptions, but those exceptions are not limited to any gender and are not specific to any particular area/s of the medical field. OP may prefer a female gyno and that’s cool, but her statement should’ve stopped there

Anonymous 19h

I think both sides have reasonable points, when I go into a space like that I only except women because that’s what helps me feel comfortable, and that’s what op meant, most women feel the same. Your opinion isn’t very common which is why many people don’t take it into consideration, nonetheless your experience is completely valid, and I hope you’re able to feel accommodated.

Anonymous 18h

Its not a stupid statement tho

Anonymous 18h

Also like, every male OBGYN will have a female in the room to chaperone them. Could be a nurse or a student or an MA but there will always be a female in the room

Anonymous 15h

as someone else who was SA’d by a woman, i fully agree. even if i wasn’t, i feel like we should be allowed any gyno as long as they’re safe

Anonymous 20h

And it’s so easy to request another option my dad sa’d me growing up so I requested a female and they were happy to accommodate

Anonymous 19h

They literally do not give a fuck. I’ve tried bringing this up, they do not give a shit. It’s fucking disgusting and they don’t care. They’d rather discriminate against people in the job force then allows someone else to be comfortable

Anonymous 17h

😭😭😭 shut up

Anonymous 19h

My opinion depends on who the guy is and why he’s in the field, like if he wants to help women medically vs look at women. And if he knows what he’s doing and actually cares.

Anonymous 21h

Ironically, I saw this tiktok right before this post that discusses the same exact thing https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTBS8UtEg/ I honestly had never thought of it that way but I’m glad someone educated me on it!

Anonymous 13h

Posted something a few days ago being like i don't get why men would want to be gynos (I didn't write it like this person did) but this has helped me gain some perspective as well thank you

Anonymous 15h

To add some context: I am a med student and you don’t get a lot of say in what kind of doctor you want to be. You could apply to 10 residencies but only match with OB/GYN. I had a male gyno, he wanted to be an orthopedic surgeon but only matched with OB/GYN. He ended up loving it because it’s the “only happy reason someone would go to a hospital is to have a baby” hes a wonderful doctor and after my appointment my perspective changed

Anonymous 5h

i've been sa'd by both and i wish i could be my own gyno

Anonymous 19h

bro who was supposed to know that 😭

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Anonymous 21h

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Anonymous 21h

You’re still safer with a woman OBGYN than a man

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Anonymous

#1 22h

like if you personally don’t want a male gyno that’s fine! but how hard is it to be considerate of the fact that there might be reasons why other women or trans men might not want a woman gyno

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Anonymous

#1 21h

like people go so hard with the anti-men sentiment they forget to think 😭

Anonymous

#3 21h

want to*

Anonymous

#2 21h

i mean… it’s more than just “anti-men” given that they commit over 90% of the violent crimes and rapes. so you can’t fully blame them for immediately thinking that way. but yeah there should be options for everybody

Anonymous

#3 21h

oh i know im a d1 man hater myself but i think you gotta still think critically

Anonymous

#4 21h

right like i don’t think there’s anything sexy about the uterus icl unless you’re particularly weird and perverted and a male doctor could be weird and perverted about it literally any body part

Anonymous

#3 21h

i hate men but i love women enough to think about the fact that they deserve the right to choose. op was probably joking but even joking about banning male gynos is soooo ignorant

Anonymous

#3 21h

i mean the same could be said about a woman that is attracted to women… so really everyone should get their background checks and stuff (which most employers already do)

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Anonymous

#6 21h

You actually suck

Anonymous

#7 20h

i think in this case it would be more like if a woman would want to work in a male anatomy field. makes you question a little more of why

Anonymous

#7 20h

for women at least it’s their own bodies and tribe. should have background checks too but i still feel like there should be extra steps for men

Anonymous

#3 20h

Also a lot of woman get sa’d by men so they’re probably quick to think in that direction but to be a advocate you have to be an advocate for all woman and sa victims not just the ones you think are a perfect victim which doesn’t exist. I can’t imagine walking in a room and seeing a man and woman who were sa’d by woman or their mom which happens more than you think would feel the same way about a woman.

Anonymous

#3 20h

My gyno is a gyno because uterine cancer killed his grandmother, his mother, and his sister was diagnosed with it and had to get a hysterectomy. I’m not gonna question why people who want to help people choose a specific field to help people in. To me that assumes ill intent automatically which is just gender essentialism

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Anonymous

#2 20h

it’s not just the uterus it’s the entire genital area, they can see everything and many women have been sexually assaulted by their gynos during a procedure or just during a routine exam. I don’t think an entire gender should be banned though, that goes against the entire ideals of feminism.

Anonymous

#11 19h

That’s the point, you don’t know what goes on in others lives, so before you make large sweeping statements like this consider that other people live different experiences and try not to invalidate them

Anonymous

OP 19h

idk if it’s gender essentialism to be aware of the fact men commit 90+% of violent crime and the majority of assaults and to be wary of them gaining intimate access to women bc of that

Anonymous

#3 19h

if there are needs for checks and extra safety might as well make them universal like allowing people to opt for an observer they’re comfortable with bc even if less likely it is still possible for women to be predators too

Anonymous

#4 19h

Exactly. I just commented something similar on the original post. If the med school and gyno office paid attention in interviews and to the personal statement of the individual wanting to be a gyno, there’s a good chance that the individual, regardless of sex or gender, is respectful, empathetic, and educated, rather than a creep. Sadly some weirdos do get by and that’s why it’s totally within our rights to select whether we want a male or female gyno.

Anonymous

#10 19h

Yep. It’s an evidently objective statement that women suffer from SA at the hands of men at higher rates than they do women, and I don’t think anyone is refuting that. So I think you agree with both myself and this post (which replied to OP’s statement that men should be banned from that sub field)

Anonymous

#3 19h

you think being a gyno is just a daily vagina heaven? ummm, they have to see all kinds of patients and all kinds of vaginas. so as hard as it may be for some ppl to fathom that not everyone wants their vagina...there's all kinds of reasons men may go into that field of medicine. because that's just it...to them it's a medical practice, not something they are doing to get their rocks off.

Anonymous

#15 19h

Damn I must've pissed one of them off, hopefully they start to realize that their "opinion" affects other women in awful ways.

Anonymous

#13 19h

My question here is then, where’s the line? Should a man be allowed to be alone with his students? Should a man be allowed to be alone with his children? Should we start assuming ill intent based on race? You are literally just profiling someone based on immutable characteristics, which is always wrong point blank period.

Anonymous

#7 18h

it’s not at all the same. a woman attracted to women is still a woman. they could be interested in the field bc it’s relevant to their own anatomy

Anonymous

OP 18h

if you can’t acknowledge that there are genuine and valid reasons for women to at the very least be wary of men i really don’t see the point in having a convo

Anonymous

#4 18h

If a male doc is a creep, hes gonna be a creep regardless of what he specializes in. If you don’t want a male doc, don’t go to a male doc.

Anonymous 18h

am i fr being downvoted for saying it’s weird to talk about women like they WANT their vaginas looked at? oh my god

Anonymous

#13 18h

Look, if you feel that way good on you, I feel that way about men too. That doesn’t mean I think it is at all a good idea to say that certain groups of people need to inherently be more scrutinized more when it comes to employment because they statistically are more likely to do XYZ. Can you possibly see why that is a dangerous precedent to set?

Anonymous

OP 18h

i really don’t care about that bc we all know it’s never going to happen. men are never going to be banned from any type of medicine. but rn in real life! in ACTUAL reality! yall are fine glossing over #16 talking about women in such a derogatory way. how is it normal to say that women who don’t trust male gynos just want their vaginas? like what the fuck is going on

Anonymous

#13 18h

Way to change the subject. Because you didn’t read the comment right. I don’t think it’s inherently wrong to be more comfortable with a female doctor, and she’s saying that it is. She’s saying that the assumption that just because a doctor is male that he wants to sexually assault you is a strange way to believe. Like I said, my experience with SA have had women as perpetrators. If I operated my life in a way where I assumed that every woman wants to assault me, that’d be seen as ridiculous.

Anonymous

#20 18h

Like you could just say this without saying their being stupid because i am pretty sure we can all understand why that person posted that

Anonymous

#20 18h

maybe not stupid but pretty short sighted. like they didn’t really think beyond their own experience to consider why others could be comfortable with a male gyno

Anonymous

#20 18h

I think it’s stupid because it’s clear OOP did not do any critical thinking as to 1 why a man would desire going into the field (for legitimate reasons) or 2 why someone might prefer to have a male OBGYN to a female one

Anonymous

#2 18h

You’re saying that they didnt think, that’s pretty much what stupid means

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Anonymous

#19 18h

mm ignorant isn’t quite the same as stupid to me. stupid is like an inability to critically think but ignorance is a lack of knowledge

Anonymous

#8 17h

Yeah i don’t really agree because I am 100% sure that all of us make generalizations that have exceptions. I might agree with you if they were trying to deny the reality of those exceptions after being informed about them

Anonymous

#3 17h

I don’t think men think anything about a woman wanting to be a urologist or dick doctor or whatever

Anonymous

#13 17h

As a POC this same sort of “X group commits more crime” is used to justify racist rhetoric around us

Anonymous

#23 17h

😐 yeah but that’s because its not actually correct that POC commit more crime. They just get targeted by law enforcement more and face harsher punishment. Men literally do commit more sexual assaults

Anonymous

#23 16h

Like I don’t think men should be banned from being OBGYNs but still

Anonymous

#23 16h

This is exactly how I feel also, I’m in a womans right group at my university and I am the only woman of color in the group and this is a constant thing I have to push back on when the white women have ideas like this. If this were to become a precedent it would be a win for the fascists in our country so they can start using it on people of color. They pretty much already do on the basis of assuming any Hispanic person in the country is an immigrant and sending ICE after them.

Anonymous

#20 16h

bro i’m poc and i’ll be the first to admit we do 😭😭 the only people who think we don’t are white women from the burbs 😂😂

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Anonymous

#20 16h

I’m not saying it’s like entirely our fault… i lived in section 8 i know how we grow up… but the statistics ain’t lyin lol

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Anonymous

#23 16h

High crime rates in majority POC communities are directly correlated to poverty. That’s a different statement than saying that black and brown people are just inherently more dangerous.

Anonymous

OP 16h

Exactly and POC literally do get harsher sentencing. If you isolate variables, you will never find that race is a predictor of crime. —its poverty and disparate sentencing

Anonymous

#3 16h

i think that as a woman you have the right to choose what kind of doctor you’re comfortable with, but imo it’s gender essentialism (not to mention illegal discrimination) to make it harder for men to enter the field. reproductive organs are simply another part of the body that needs care and there are certainly legitimate reasons why a man would want to do that

Anonymous

#3 16h

doctors don’t choose their specialty tho

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Anonymous

#26 15h

Yes they do. They might not get their first choice and end up in a backup one but they can’t get a specialty they didn’t apply for.

Anonymous

#28 15h

I’m a med student too but you do get a say in what you specialize in. He was interested in OBGYN and that’s why he applied for it and ultimately got it. He wasn’t forced into OBGYN. If he didn’t want to do OBGYN at all he wouldn’t have applied for it

Anonymous

#19 14h

yeah but obstetrics is very broad and sometimes you gotta work the stirrups before you can do something like l&d

Anonymous

#23 14h

Yeah, you gotta do a little bit of everything in residency and then when you’re done with that you can do whatever you want

Anonymous

#17 12h

I meant expect 💀

Anonymous

#16 6h

leave it at 6-7

Anonymous

#4 6h

eh i think this is a reductionist take. OP has some good reasons to be sketched out. There’s hella creepy gynos that have existed in the past and there will continue to be many in the future. OP is clearly young. We don’t exactly coach girls on what a gyno does, what the red flags are, or how to “choose” one in school. Your response is also both condescending and hilariously trusting of our medical complex. We don’t ban people for being creeps until there have been many MANY complaints