Because they’re disgustingly toxic and frequently have issues with property damage, noise pollution, getting volatile drunks in close proximity to cause fights, the hazing bullshit, and worst being the propagation of rape.

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Anonymous #6 16h

true, i’m no more an advocate for degenerate behavior than anyone, but frat parties are by far not the only events where things like that happen yet somehow are the only ones the culture holds responsible for their actions

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Anonymous #6 16h

but as a general rule don’t participate in things you don’t like instead of trying to get it banned

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Anonymous #7 16h

Nah, they need to be completely banned. Nothing but harm ever comes from them and it’s disgusting how long they’ve persisted. Keeping Greek like running is the equivalent of “boys will be boys”. Stamp out one of the issues at its source, move on to the next.

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Anonymous #6 16h

as an sec student, the sororities are crazy too, if one is going to get banned they both do. neither cultivates a culture of morality

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Anonymous #7 16h

I’m glad you read my other comment where I said all of Greek life should be banned! You’re finally getting it!

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Anonymous #6 16h

just making sure bc that’s not how most people think!

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Anonymous #6 15h

Greek life isn’t a problem at all. I am not at all justifying any bad actions done at frat parties, but a few bad apples don’t ruin the whole tree. Greek life isn’t a problem. Rapists are.

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Anonymous #10 14h

Both are absolutely a problem that society needs to do away with.

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Anonymous #6 14h

As someone who goes to a school with all kinds of Greek life, they have never been the issue. Ever.

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Anonymous #10 14h

The phrase is a few bad apples ruins the whole bunch. When I was looking up Cornell banning frat parties I kept getting hits from three years ago because they had the same exact issue of rampant sexual assault. Greek life is a problem and we’re not letting it stay

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Anonymous #10 14h

Statistics show frat guys SA at much higher rates than those not, also sorority girls have a 75% higher chance of being victims. There is correlation.

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Anonymous #3 14h

Who exactly is “we”?

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Anonymous #12 14h

I never said there wasn’t any correlation, I said that Greek life itself isn’t the issue. The system isn’t the issue. The people are. But even then, it isn’t all of them either.

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Anonymous #12 14h

yeah, sorority girls are more likely to put themselves in a position where sa is very probable. not blaming the victim or saying it’s their fault, but they need to learn how to be smarter. don’t wear lingerie to the bar and have 4 drinks and talk to frat guys and be absolutely shocked when you get sa’d

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Anonymous #7 14h

Not even close to what I was getting at, you might be a threat….

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Anonymous #10 14h

The public, the thousands of protester. The hundreds of thousands fed up with how Cornell handled the recent case. Public opinion isn’t going anywhere on this, good luck defending it

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Anonymous #3 14h

yeah, despite the evidence that has come out about what she did before and after the incident, public opinion is not budging. way to expose the mob witch trial mentality of this situation

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Anonymous #12 14h

i’m a girl but nice try!

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Anonymous #3 14h

I’m pretty fed up with how they handled it too, don’t get me wrong. All seven of them should be in jail and the other dozens in the group chat should also be punished. But you have to understand that it isn’t all Greek life.

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Anonymous #7 14h

I’m not gonna lie, that is nowhere near what my point was

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Anonymous #10 14h

i was replying to 12 talking about the higher probability of sorority girls getting sa’d

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Anonymous #7 14h

That doesn’t change anything?? What a gross thing to say

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Anonymous #11 14h

fuck you 😂✌🏼

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Anonymous #10 14h

It is allowed inherently by the premise of Greek life. Putting groups of young men who are sexual, give them brotherhood and the general holding of the frat and Greek life as a figure above morals/in high regard to cult like status. Not to mention hazing and secrecy, throw in parties (they should only be about philanthropy with groups) and drugs and if something happens, no one says anything or punishes members unless it gets out.

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Anonymous #14 13h

That’s a much better argument, I do understand your side. They need to do more about it rather than wait until it gets recognized by the public and ruins the school name

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Anonymous #6 13h

I think greek life is awful but banning it wouldn’t really do anything. The men who are going to rape are going to do it regardless of if they’re in a frat or not. Same with the women who will rape and those who will falsely accuse. It won’t do anything. Same thing where like if you banned guns people would still kill people it’d just make a few people feel a little better temporarily. We need to combat the problem by educating men at a young age about boundaries and be very serious about it

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Anonymous #10 13h

Greek life enables rape culture so bye your life

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Anonymous #10 13h

“Rape culture isn’t a problem. Rapists are.” Get a fucking hold of yourself.

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Anonymous #18 13h

Nowhere near what I said?

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Anonymous #7 13h

Yeah, so perpetuating the idea that victims “need to be safer” wasn’t really the move, since after being victimized, survivors remove themselves from those sorts of situations. That doesn’t mean the risk and victimization aren’t still ongoing for new vulnerable victims.

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Anonymous #10 13h

You basically did tho since Greek life isn't just covering up rape; they are covering up all sorts of heinous crimes.

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Anonymous #17 13h

That isn’t Greek life, that is the school itself.

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Anonymous #10 13h

Cool, just because YOU aren’t aware doesn’t mean those dangers don’t exist. They are integral to the very foundation of Greek life culture. There is an undeniable link between Greek life and sexual assault. Quit defending the bullshit.

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Anonymous #7 13h

Ah, there you are, coming out and showing your true colours. You rape apologists are part of the problem and I hope you’re never around any women or children.

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Anonymous #10 13h

It’s both, but Greek life keeps that shit consistent and covers it up internally many, many times.

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Anonymous #6 13h

I’m a woman??

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Nope, it’s baked into Greek life. I really hope you wake the fuck up.

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Anonymous #6 13h

So should college just be banned? Further education? What about trade schools?

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Anonymous #10 13h

So every school that has Greek life is covering up some heinous crime. Yes, it is the school's problem, but why does every campus with Greek life have some heinous, horrible story that goes around campus as a “don't do this again” connected to a fraternity? All of these institutions have blood on their hands for enabling Greek life. So do you.

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Anonymous #16 13h

This.

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Anonymous #16 13h

Limiting an organization where it is normalized to assault its own members as initiation would tremendously help the situation, as it is a hot spot for victimization and can prevent future crimes from taking place.

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Anonymous #16 13h

The people who think that all men are rapists are the problem but so are the people who think it’s just some men. We all have urges, intrusive thoughts, it’s a horrific part of life. But most of us have the intelligence to rise above those carnal instincts. It’s beyond shameful for all men that some cannot

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Anonymous #16 13h

What are you even saying, buddy? The fact that you are most likely to be victimized by someone you know, who knows your daily routines, and when you aren't around someone capable of intervening, isn't just a “human urge”; it is a premeditated act of violence against a human being, lol.

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Anonymous #17 13h

I absolutely believe that frats should be limited. Both because of rape and the dangerous and awful hazing. I’m just saying banning them outright doesn’t really help anything. But have campus police go undercover at parties or something, just to make sure things are tame. I don’t know what the best solution is but I think a middle ground can be found that helps women tremendously without banning frats and leaving these guys roaming free to rape anywhere they please. Does that make sense?

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Anonymous #16 13h

Not really, since sororities have to have a house parent not to be considered a brothel, there are distinct historical ties between victimization and Greek life, and banning a hot spot where it is normalized is 100% a solution.

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Anonymous #17 13h

I completely agree. What I’m saying is sexual urges in general are natural but control over them needs to be hammered into young boys. Rape is almost always premeditated but, and correct me if I’m wrong, most of what happens at frat parties and those sorts of places is a spontaneous event. Both are terrible. They’re just different issues in my opinion that need to be tackled differently and again, from the source from a young age

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Anonymous #17 13h

What I’m saying is that banning them would just lead these guys to find a new place. They will party. Nobody will stop that. But knowing where it is is at least something so that hopefully safety measures can be implemented in those frat houses. Otherwise it could just be anywhere

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Anonymous #16 13h

I hate frat parties as a whole. I just don’t believe banning them would change what happens, it would only change where it happens. It’s more of a spectacle than a solution. Though admittedly spectacle could bring attention to it and potentially help the problem in at least some way

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Anonymous #6 13h

Abolishing Greek life isn’t going to stop them from continuing to SA girls.

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Anonymous #10 12h

bet ppl at cornel said that too

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Anonymous #6 12h

Bro rapists are gonna rape whether they’re Greek or not lol

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Anonymous #9 12h

No, it’s just gonna make them more secretive.

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Anonymous #10 12h

bc the thing abt greek life is that the epstein class all were in frats. they all did crazy shit, gay shit, and partook in felony activity. greek life in the abstract, everything it’s meant to be, is fine. but in practice it creates a culture of violence, in group/out group, and secrecy that puts everyone else at risk of them.

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Anonymous #7 12h

that is victim blaming

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Anonymous #6 12h

Just say you didn’t get in loser 😭

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Anonymous #16 12h

they know about boundaries, they just don’t care. and just like banning guns SIGNIFICANTLY drops murder rates, banning greek life would also significantly reduce sa rates. banning guns does stop most people from murder bc 90ish% of murder is not premeditated. same with rape. take away the means and people won’t commit the crime at nearly the frequency

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Anonymous #16 12h

you don’t wanna limit frats but you want a surveillance state? what if the coppas at the parties are the same ones using flock cameras to stalk and assault women?

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Anonymous #21 12h

I’m not in favor of a surveillance state. It was just an example of something we could do to protect the girls at those parties. Or you could force the frats to require girls stay in groups. Idk. I’m not saying I think I can fix it all with the snap of my fingers or with one idea. I’m just one person

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Anonymous #16 12h

how about the rapists, the complicit men, and the accomplices are the problem?

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Anonymous #6 12h

Frankly I don't think this is the answer. It would just make Greek life go underground. My university hasn't banned it entirely but they have decided to not recognize 2 frats and the frats just continue to operate but now with less regulation which is just more dangerous. One was even derecognized by their own nationals and it's just a group of guys who call themselves a group and have parties.

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Anonymous #6 12h

even if we’re not talking abt rape, underage drinking, exposure to drug use, grooming (some of the freshman at these parties are 17 and getting hit on by seniors 21+)

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Anonymous #16 12h

And that new place, or “organization,” should be shut down too. I'm a bartender, they aren't gonna shut down bars. But Greek life is basically a bar without rules or regulations, and without real consequences. If I overserve someone, I can be criminally liable. These fraternities don't hold the same legal responsibility, which makes them a hot spot for victimization.

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Anonymous #23 12h

Just say you like to pay to be hazed lmfao

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Anonymous #16 12h

This shit isn’t spontaneous when everyone you know has a story pal.

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Anonymous #21 12h

100% agree

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Anonymous #17 12h

It’s spontaneous sometimes, sometimes not. But it’s still very common. Just because it happens often doesn’t mean it’s always premeditated. Same goes for murder but it doesn’t change anything really

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Anonymous #19 12h

It would make it significantly harder to keep happening at the rate it does because Greek life is a festering ground of SA. Cut out one weed and the roots aren’t as choked.

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Anonymous #16 12h

Rape is always, ALWAYS a choice the assailant makes. It’s never accidental.

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Anonymous #6 12h

Wrong, it would only change where it happens. These guys don’t need Greek life to conquer their disgusting ways.

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Anonymous #19 12h

Studies literally document how Greek life drastically increases rates of hazing and SA on campus. Shutting down these toxic cesspools will help reduce that frequency at no detriment.

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Anonymous #6 12h

What specific studies? The correlation between Greek life and SA on campus cannot be drastically as much as without it.

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Anonymous #6 12h

These same individuals are going to keep doing what they’re doing with or without Greek life. Greek life only just broadcasts the behavior because they are supposed to be held to a higher standard.

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Anonymous #19 12h

It’s actually a huge percentage more. Not having Greek life means they lose the secrecy and environment to commit these atrocities without repercussions. https://hazingpreventionnetwork.org/hazing-facts/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11140564/ https://greek.arizona.edu/sexual-assault-greek-life https://ml-law.net/sexual-abuse-clergy-abuse/fraternities-rape-culture

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Anonymous #19 11h

Greek life enables and encourages it.

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Anonymous #16 11h

that’s a bad idea. and women shouldn’t have to be in groups, nor forced to do anything by men, in order to have the same liberties and freedoms as men have

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Anonymous #21 11h

Unfortunately in the state of NY the age of consent is 17 making it morally wrong but legal

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Anonymous #30 11h

that’s literally the conversation…

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Anonymous #31 11h

i meant frats in general

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Anonymous #16 11h

It’s not spontaneous.

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Anonymous #32 11h

what an odd thing to say

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Anonymous #21 11h

no

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Anonymous #32 11h

Aweeee I’d get so mad if I couldn’t buy brooms anymore bc I fucked you in the ass with one. You are such a liar!

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Anonymous #17 11h

😂😂😂

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Anonymous #32 11h

And when you cry I won’t stop either 😬

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Anonymous #17 11h

What in the 13 reasons why

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Anonymous #31 10h

My point being.

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Anonymous #21 10h

Ahhh got you

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Anonymous #17 10h

you clearly haven’t read HER text messages and the whole report.

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Anonymous #32 10h

Get fucked anally actually☺️

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Anonymous #31 10h

you didn’t get shit. you defend rape and are a bad person. own it and change

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What the fuck does trans have to do with this conversation! Nothing! Get the fuck outta here waaaahdooo. Hope you and your whole family get victimized.

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Anonymous #17 10h

good thing my family knows how to act normal and not willingly have a threesome with many different men!!

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Anonymous #29 10h

No shit Sherlock

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Anonymous #19 10h

Who else throws besides Greek life?

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Anonymous #14 10h

I’m just saying there will probably be some frat parties held off campus at frat-rented houses

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Anonymous #29 10h

Those couldn’t be regulated anyways but I guess

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WOAHHHHH this whole thing was never about trans people you just wanted a reason to be transphobic and thats weird asfc to do let people be who they are its not hurting you or anyone else

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Anonymous #17 10h

Aye im not on ur side

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Anonymous #31 10h

Or the other guy just wanna put that out there

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Anonymous #31 10h

you’re a good person

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Anonymous #31 10h

and that’s okay!

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Anonymous #32 10h

You are part of why rape is as problematic as it is and I hope your teeth are knocked clean from your head for it.

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Anonymous #25 10h

What are u even on abt😭 when did i even say that out my mouth you are the reason literacy rates are going down. I said UNFORTUNATELY the LEGAL AGE of CONSENT IS 17. Key word in there is fucking CONSENTTTTTTT and LEGAL where the fuck did you learn english?

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Anonymous #25 10h

Also said Morally WRONG if its two consenting ppl it makes it legal nothing in there was abt how i said rape was okay you dumb ass bitch why the fuck would I okay something thats happened to me. I was putting a fact out there about the law of this state and how they wouldnt consider it grooming in NYS if they both consented.

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Anonymous #31 10h

this is real defensive. we both know i read it right. everything you are saying and said supports my conclusion

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Anonymous #6 10h

You haven’t really shown that it’s “integral to the very foundation of Greek life” tbh dude. Chill out spaz

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Anonymous #25 10h

Its truth im not going to argue with someone who is stupid obviously the person I responded to got what I was saying and im not responding to you anymore because its pointless going back and forth with someone like u

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Anonymous #31 10h

just because the law made by men (because of patriarchy) suggests that’s a good age for consent doesn’t mean the encounter was moral. you taking that as a go ahead for it to be okay says a lot

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Anonymous #32 10h

Based on your comments I’m gonna guess half your family is in the closet pal.

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Anonymous #17 10h

😂😂😂

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say it louder

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RAPING SOMEONE IS RAPE Stupid fucking dumbass bitch.

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if you think that’s what happened you don’t know the case and are too quick to defend rapist

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Anonymous #25 10h

ACCORDING TO NEW YORK STATE LAW IT WAS NOT RAPE. I’M NOT SAYING WHAT THE GUYS DID IS RIGHT, BUT IT IS NOT RAPE. ACCORDING TO NEW YORK STATE LAW IF YOU VOLUNTARILY CONSUME DRUGS AND ALCOHOL YOU CAN CONSENT. SHE DID DRUGS AND ALCOHOL VOLUNTARILY THEREFORE IT IS NOT RAPE.

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Someone is mad

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Anonymous #32 10h

The people saying it’s rape are probably the same people saying Lindsey Clancy is not guilty

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Anonymous #35 10h

That’s the truth. But once she realized her reputation was ruined and everyone thinks she’s a hoe she regretted it and then tried to say rape but it was just regret. REGRET IS NOT RAPE.

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Anonymous #34 10h

so everything is fine and those men did the right thing?

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Anonymous #34 10h

noo it’s not. you don’t know the case.

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Anonymous #25 10h

Did you not read where I said “I’m not saying everything the boys did is right”? What happened isn’t right. BUT IT WAS NOT RAPE

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Anonymous #34 10h

Actually no! And the two don’t correlate!

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Anonymous #34 10h

and they are right.

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Anonymous #25 10h

I don’t support rape, what happened was bad. BUT IT WAS NOT RAPE. REGRET IS NOT RAPE.

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Anonymous #25 10h

NEITHER ONE did the right thing in the situation. is it so hard for you people to understand that TWO PEOPLE CAN DO THE WRONG FCKING THING AT THE SAME TIME. WTF

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Anonymous #25 10h

at NO point did she try to stop it. SHE did ketamine in the first place. SHE kept doing ketamine. SHE wanted the threesome. THE BOYS were also high. THE BOYS shouldn’t have done it, but SHE more than enabled it. as a girl, never once have i been in a situation like that. you would be amazed at the decrease in risk of being raped, sa’d, manipulated, and other such events

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Anonymous #7 10h

Exactly if she had any thought of not wanting it she would’ve found a way to make it known. She wanted it and got it, realized it screwed her reputation forever and then after regretting it said it was rape. IT WAS NOT RAPE. REGRET IS NOT RAPE.

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Anonymous #34 10h

The boys shouldn’t have done it, but it was not rape.

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Anonymous #34 10h

keep it up 34 🫱🏻‍🫲🏼

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Anonymous #7 10h

Will do #7 🤝

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Anonymous #33 9h

Nah, I’m sick of you stupid fucks defending institutions that freely protect and encourage hazing and rape.

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Anonymous #33 9h

Maybe learn to read.

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The men aren’t criminally responsible because they broke no laws in New York (I’m not saying what they did was right or good but IT WAS NOT ILLEGAL). WHY DO YOU THINK THE STAGE REFUSED TO TAKE THE CASE AND PROSECUTE THEM? BECAUSE IT WASN’T ILLEGAL IN NEW YORK AND THE GUYS AREN’T CRIMINALS

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Anonymous #7 9h

Here's my thing. Yes if she didn't go and do a bunch of ketamine would that have made it easier for her to decline or maybe get out of the situation? Sure you could argue that. HOWEVER, a woman should have the right to do drugs and party without being assaulted just as much as a man does. Like that's not fair. And I know the world we live in isn't fair but this feels like blaming her

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Anonymous #24 9h

if she didn’t go or do ketamine, she wouldn’t have been IN the situation. she literally willingly went along with everything and afterwards joked about it and said that “we’re all adults” and “it wasn’t illegal” and “our body our choice af”. then she got rejected from a party and got mad. if that’s not irresponsible idk what is

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Anonymous #6 8h

I feel like ur just talkin about the white Greek life cus D9 Greek life while we have our hazing issues, are actually useful and pillars of society / the black community. So maybe do a lil more research to help support your blanket statements 👍🏽

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Anonymous #41 8h

I genuinely don't think people fully grasp the nuance of Greek life especially for poc. And as problematic as white Greek life can be they still literally raise millions for charity

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Anonymous #6 8h

Thanks for dropping some studies, gonna give those a read

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Anonymous #10 8h

The Cornell 7 aren’t rapists, you can’t say they are when it was all consensual it was just morally wrong and a little strange but it’s their own lives and they chose to do it doesn’t mean you should call them rapists

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Anonymous #41 7h

Nah, it’s still a damn problem and the Black community deserves better. Shut ALL of that shit down, permanently. Maybe quit defending rapist havens.

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Anonymous #44 7h

They are rapists and I’m guessing you are, too, or you actively defend known rapists in your family/friend circle. Fuck all of you sick freaks.

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Anonymous #6 6h

Literally lol, like is everyone slow?? To ban frat PARTIES but not the root cause. It makes zero sense. Yes the parties are totally the issue and not the boys who join these frats + frat culture🙄 I also think it'd be easier to regulate “ no Greek life" rather than regulating greek life parties. Because we all know, they're still gonna party. I don’t understand why the school can’t just keep them from congregating like they normally do??

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Anonymous #47 6h

Because it’s easier to ignore the hives and squash the occasional wasp as long as you get your fuddy duddy frat bro daddy donations, apparently. It’s beyond repugnant and I’m sick of it.

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Anonymous #16 5h

assuming rapists only rape because they can’t control their carnal instincts, that they’re animalistic in nature & less intelligent/civilized than the rest of us fails to hold these people accountable. rape is often more about control and domination than it is sexual desire (although that is a factor). rapists are able to get through that value-judgement process the same way we do. what makes them truly despicable is that they actively choose to hurt someone out of their conscious free will

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Anonymous #10 5h

the saying is literally “a few bad apples spoils the bunch”

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Anonymous #10 46m

stripping away the protection they feel from fraternities will decrease assaults and rapes for sure. Not entirely because evil men will do evil things whenever they want, but it will help

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