Anonymous #2 1d

Wait until you hear how much I’ve given Microsoft and Nintendo. That’s every PS5 game I own, and it’s about a fifth of the size of my Xbox and Nintendo libraries. I don’t mind giving companies money to OWN things. I have no interest in paying them for the privilege of playing their game until they decide I can’t.

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Anonymous #2 1d

Does that not make his point even stronger? This is someone who was clearly a Sony fan for a long time, criticizing them for what they’ve become

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Anonymous #2 1d

Bro has neither a heart nor a brain

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Anonymous #1 1d

They’re going to (/already have?) get rid of physical disks and move to completely online stuff

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Anonymous #6 1d

There’s about a dozen court decisions that state otherwise.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Which ones? As I understand it you only physically own the disc, manual, and license to play. You don’t own the rights to any of the software, IP, or code…

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Anonymous #6 1d

Start with these: UMG Recordings, Inc. v. Augusto, 628 F.3d 1175 (9th Cir. 2011) SoftMan Products Co. v. Adobe Systems Inc., 171 F. Supp. 2d 1075 (C.D. Cal. 2001) Krause v. Titleserv, Inc., 402 F.3d 119 (2d Cir. 2005)

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Anonymous #6 1d

Universal Instruments Corp. v. Micro Systems Engineering, Inc., 924 F.3d 32 (2d Cir. 2019) Bobbs-Merrill Co. v. Straus, 210 U.S. 339 (1908) Vernor v. Autodesk, Inc., 621 F.3d 1102 (9th Cir. 2010)

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Anonymous #6 23h

Owning a license to play is enough to say you own the copy. That’s why you can make backup ROMs. For Sony to take away digital ownership means buying isn’t owning (so piracy isn’t stealing 🏴‍☠️)

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Anonymous OP 23h

This is what I was saying, no? Genuinely not trying to be obtuse.

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Anonymous #4 23h

I didn’t think most games after the PS3/ Xbox 360 era had the actual game files on the disc anymore. I thought that’s the whole reason you have to digitally download the whole game once you insert the disk.

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Anonymous #6 23h

Owning a license is owning a license to the software. The files needed to play are on the disc and are transferable with the disc. I can lend you a copy or I can sell it to you and you can play it. A “license” does not grant you access to the source code to produce your own copies of the game to redistribute, which is perhaps where your confusion lies, but it is a legally fungible copy of the game.

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Anonymous #6 23h

The fact that you have to download a huge bunch of files is because games are rushed to “gold master” status without being completely bug free and you often have to download patches day 1 to fix the most egregious bugs. The way game architectures can work you may need to download quite a lot of files to make it playable. Alternatively some games may require “installation” in order to run, which takes the game files and unzips them on a hard disk for faster load times.

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Anonymous #4 23h

What was an “optional” install for the 360 became mandatory installs on later consoles.

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Anonymous #4 23h

I should have elaborated more in my initial post but this was my understanding. I’m not against physical discs and I’m not a corporate suck up either, for all I care people can pirate whatever whenever.

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Anonymous #4 23h

I remember when I had an Xbox One, I would have to download the whole game after inserting the disc via the Microsoft store. I couldn’t offline and the download speeds were limited to my internet download speeds as opposed to CD -> HDD file transfer which I would assume to be faster than 10 mbps which is around my old shitty AT&T ISP

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Anonymous #4 23h

Funnily enough, I vaguely remember that Destiny required you to install the game on the Xbox 360. You couldn’t just pop it in an play like BO2 or any other game I ever played on my console.

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Anonymous #6 23h

At any rate, you do bring up some very important implications considering the fact that more and more game discs are just licenses and do not contain any actual files. One of the big ways we’re able to preserve old games that are no longer hosted on platforms (the Nintendo 3DS is a great example) is because the discs and the carts _hold the game files_. Some of these may just be lost to the sands of time, and it’s corporate greed that lands us in that position.

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Anonymous #6 23h

Yeah the seeds were planted then with COD too. “Mandatory installs” were a controversy.

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Anonymous #6 21h

Getting a zillion downvotes all of a sudden? People be brigading and I genuinely have no idea why.

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Anonymous #5 20h

Damn that sucks. Whole point is so every system have to re-buy the games. Cheap fucks

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Anonymous #8 18h

No it’s because now you can no longer truly own your own video games. Sony can decide whenever that you just can’t play a game anymore and take off your console. You will own nothing and be happy about it

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Anonymous #6 18h

But prior to this. You had the disc and could play the game. Now you can’t even do that

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Anonymous #10 13h

The same place as every other one of my favorite games: Xbox

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Anonymous #9 11h

Yes? We’re on the same… team…?

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Anonymous #9 11h

Like I literally said that, lmao. Has the world’s reading comprehension dropped off to zero? The news that Sony is stopping selling discs is objectively terrible news, and the state of how discs are often sold is also bad. From bad to worse.

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Anonymous #4 9h

9 was replying to 6

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Anonymous #3 9h

Ok, yeah, my b. I’d just woken up. 6 is good everybody, they understand.

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Anonymous #4 3h

I was replying to 6

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Anonymous #8 2h

That definitely isn’t “the point,” dumbass.

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