Anonymous #1 54w

I guess war thunder right now. Not sure, it changes.

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Anonymous OP 54w

Should Collective Shout be able to censor War Thunder if they decide that glorifying violence is bad for kids?

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Anonymous #1 54w

I think there are moral bounds on both permissiveness and restrictiveness. A long form moral argument can be made to justify why Warthunder is acceptable for reasonably mature children. But such an argument would take long than a yik yak post.

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Anonymous #1 54w

What is obviously morally unacceptable for anyone is violent noncon or other sexual crime. And it’s a psychological fact that engaging with such material does affect the brain in negative ways which harm both the person and society.

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Anonymous OP 54w

I don’t know much about collective shout, for argument sake I’m going to assume they are exclusively reactionary. They can be wrong in their end goal of restriction and right that our current state is exclusively permissive. Everyone becomes “conservative” once society becomes as open as they believe is correct. Everyone is a “liberal” until that point.

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Anonymous OP 54w

If they're wrong about their end goal, you shouldn't support them in the short term just because you agree with their current target. If this was Steam deciding not to host certain content anymore, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But the fact is that it's an external pressure group using payment processors to enforce their own ideology on the biggest PC gaming marketplace. I'm not mad that a bunch of weird incest AI slop games got banned, I'm mad that some assholes with money decided it.

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Anonymous #1 54w

I see your point there, but I don’t “support” them exactly. I just think the basic content of their argument “this game contains unacceptable content and is therefore unacceptable.” Is not wrong. Steam is an unaccountable body whose only goal is to make money. Good on them, bug that means moral restraint will come from outside.

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Anonymous OP 54w

Collective Shout is also an unaccountable body. Again, I also find the content of the removed games (as well as their almost unanimous poor quality and use of AI generated assets) to be extremely distasteful. The problem is that this is a third party creating demands that apply to almost every single PC gamer on earth by leveraging an even more unaccountable body, payment processors. It's an extremely slippery slope.

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Anonymous #1 54w

It is a slippery slope. But you know what’s also a slippery slope? pushing rape porn. Yes the methods could be better, such as legal restrictions, but until then arresting the progress of something like that is objectively correct. Keep in mind, that kind of shit escalates too. We’re on a slippery slope and have reached the point of mass availability of rape simulators is a reality, it will continue to get worse if someone doesn’t do something.

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Anonymous OP 54w

Again, I completely disagree with the content of the games and think Steam should not host them. But at this point, a group with a specific ideological agenda is dictating what content is and is not allowed on Steam because of their own preferences. If this was a far left group saying that games which contain, for example, violence against women should all be delisted from Steam, I think the vast majority of people supporting this would see the other side of the picture.

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Anonymous #1 54w

I was under the impression collective shout was a far left group. My point is that everyone has an ideological agenda, you can’t escape that. On any given issue you either want things to get more permissive, more restrictive, or stay about the same. All of that is dictated by ideology, as in what you believe is correct. I think we disagree only on the methodology. You don’t think pressuring payment processors to remove a product from a storefront is the right thing to do.

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Anonymous #1 54w

My position is that is exactly the same as using sanctions against a rogue state or criminal organization. Or boycotting a business in the civil rights era. You can’t walk up to someone who is willingly platforming rape simulators and tell them “hey, that’s wrong and you should stop.” If they thought it was wrong they would be doing it in the first place. You stop drug crime by arresting drug dealers and making it hard for them to do business, not asking them directly to stop.

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Anonymous #6 54w

Agree with you overall but it's not true that Mouthwashing was delisted in this purge

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Anonymous #6 54w

You do recognize you have just posited the existence of a universal moral system and attempted to impose it on me, with as it happens significantly more fervor and emotional than I did. You say that I’m the one morally grandstanding and imposing my beliefs on others. But you’re doing exactly that. Libertarian philosophy requires the imposition of the ideal of non imposition. Similar to the post modern rejection of meta narrative being in and of itself a meta narrative.

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Anonymous OP 54w

The mental gymnastics to justify imposing your beliefs on others is really something. I believe in complete autonomy. And the argument that allowing others freedom of decision is somehow a restriction of your own decision is frankly ridiculous. It’s a very very simple concept, leave me alone and I’ll leave you alone. This pertains to literally any aspect of life.

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Anonymous #1 54w

Are you sure? I saw multiple people speak on it. I could be wrong but that’s why it seemed extremely excessive.

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Anonymous #6 54w

Complete autonomy being an absolute is a moral claim, just like every other. In order to state that it is an absolute you must impose that belief upon everyone who believes in other absolute moral frameworks. There is no logical distinction between the two. “Do not tell others what to do.” Is a command on the behavior of others, in other words it’s telling them what to do.

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Anonymous #7 54w

No. Maybe I should have just used the meme, but I meant this as my game take that had me like that. Which as you can see it does.

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Anonymous OP 54w

Oh lol, yeah I read the post as part of it mb

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Anonymous #6 53w

Let’s turn down the temperature a bit. I have a question. Do you believe that there is anything which is truly unacceptable to be put in a video game in graphic and interactive form? I understand the “don’t play it.” Mentality, and trust me I avoid many kinds of media, but I still think there’s a line that shouldn’t be crossed socially. Do you think differently? If so how are we supposed to handle things like CSAM?

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