Anonymous #1 1d

Plus, yes steam is a large company, but look who we’re comparing them to

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Anonymous #1 11h

The volume discount comparison is the real deal here. Valve plans to sell like what, a couple hundred thousand of these out the gate? They have no idea what demand is like. This isn’t like the literal millions of game consoles sold by the big players. The comparison to these other devices sold at a loss is so weak.

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Anonymous #3 7h

Yee the component companies have no guarantee that there’s even a market for this. They’re not gonna risk losing money to a unproven product. In the future prices will get better providing that valve proves the market exists

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Anonymous #3 6h

That logic makes no sense. Valve sold the Steam Deck at a loss, and it was a pc you could do whatever you want, which was a massive success for Valve. They also made a reservation waitlist for the controller and Machine, only selling to their audience making it harder for scalpers and non steam users to purchase

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Anonymous OP 6h

They sold the steam deck at a loss but they effectively have vendor-lock-in for that device, even if they don’t enforce it. Windows runs like shit.

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Anonymous #3 6h

That's just bad mismanagement if they're only producing so little. Steam Deck was a massive success, selling millions, and created the trend of pc handhelds. It's 4 yrs old and still selling out; you can't even buy one right now. Valve should know how influential they are and stop acting like their a small prebuilt company

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Anonymous OP 6h

Also “at a loss” is relative, I think it was at a loss at the beginning, eventually achieving razor thin margins, with the latest price increase being effectively a profiting device in its own right, probably to cover for expected component cost increases.

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Anonymous #3 6h

That's a lie it's not lock to steam os, you can switch to windows if you want to

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Anonymous #3 6h

They don't sell deck at a profit, they subsidize the cost like a console

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Anonymous OP 6h

I think we’re getting closer to agreeing when you say “should have produced more” but I don’t think that’s fair to valve considering the insane competition for fabricator time among the AI chip boom. There’s only so much you can do, and getting this bent out of shape is pretty silly. We don’t have any idea how many were produced or shipped globally, this is all just a bunch of belly-aching over shit that’s outside of Valve’s control.

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Anonymous OP 6h

If you really wanna be mad so badly, get mad at Sam Altman.

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Anonymous OP 6h

Ok, I’m now convinced you’re a troll or a bullshitter. I said “effective lock-in”. Most people don’t install windows. Most people leave it on SteamOS because that’s undoubtedly the best experience.

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Anonymous OP 6h

They do sell the steam deck at a profit now, buddy, they’ve said as much.

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Anonymous #1 6h

If small prebuilt companies can sell PCs at the same price but provide better hardware, there's no point for the Steam Machine to exist. Is there even a big audience for a small form factor ?

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Anonymous OP 6h

SmAlL pReBuIlT cOmPaNiEs have volume discounts on off the shelf components. This is a custom build, that valve is selling at-cost. Zero profit. There’s a Verge article about it. Go look it up.

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Anonymous #3 6h

Are you an actual reddit Idiot? You said vendor lock-in, like how PS5 is locked into its own PS ecosystem. I'm simply saying the Steam Deck can work like the Steam Deck. At the end of the day their both PCs you can do whatever you want, but people will prefer the Steam os because it's the perfect gaming os

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Anonymous #3 6h

And your proving my point, steam machine can be subside without worrying people will switch OS

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Anonymous #3 6h

Nope stop lying though your teeth, show me evidence it is being sold at a profit

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Anonymous OP 6h

I said “effective” as a qualifier, bruv, admit that you misread me and the rest will make sense. We’re saying the same thing: SteamOS is the best experience so they don’t have to worry about putting Windows on the Steam Deck. They don’t have to lock the gate or even up walls in order to be sure we’ll all stay in the garden.

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Anonymous #3 6h

You can’t even prove deck is being sold at a profit, just pulling info up your ahh

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L mao bud. You fkn sank that low? Turns out there’s no evidence that Valve ever sold the deck at a loss, that’s just a rumor, but they have come out and said they sold the machine at cost. Either way, you’re a fucking idiot for thinking you can run their company better than them. I don’t envy your brain cells for how weak they must feel and how desperate they are to be used. I hope you suffer the way I have suffered having to refute your bullshit. Fuck off.

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Anonymous OP 5h

no hardware manufacturer intentionally sells any console or handheld PC at a loss. they haven't in like 20 years.

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