Anonymous #1 19h

Yeah, I definitely have known a few in the past too unfortunately. And there is a point in how crop agriculture has destroyed many ecosystems and mistreats workers.

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Anonymous OP 19h

But I see that typically being used as a gotcha as if animal ag doesn’t have the same problems with biodiversity loss and exploitation. A lot of our food sadly comes at the expense of our planet and other people ☹️

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Anonymous OP 19h

Oh for sure and most ppl forget most soy is produced for animal feed. My main gripe with vegans that think eating any meat is wrong is that often i hear ppl saying it with a heavy tinge of colonialism

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Anonymous #1 19h

I mean unless you’re hunting deer or something it is wrong to eat meat if you care about animal cruelty tbh. The vast majority of meat you buy and eat in America is produced with great cruelty towards the animals kept and killed for that purpose. Fish included

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Anonymous #2 19h

Yeah where im from most ppl subsistence hunt and fish and have a very close relationship to the animals whose meat they eat.

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Anonymous #1 16h

Which is great, just saying that’s an exceptionally slim minority of Americans. Most Americans maintain that it’s not wrong to eat meat and still buy meat from the super market or restaurants which is absolutely supporting animal cruelty and abuse

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Anonymous OP 15h

Not trying to argue but curious to what you suggest people do if they wanna help the planet, animals, etc?

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Anonymous #4 14h

No worries! I think some hardcore vegans unintentionally turn people off by asking that they make an all-or-nothing change on the dime. Food is very personal along with being a basic necessity. But I also don’t disagree that cutting down on unnecessary meat consumption would help reduce environmental footprints and accidental pollution/zoonotic spillovers.

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Anonymous OP 14h

While ‘better’ alternatives like agroecology or integrated farming aren’t 100% foolproof, gradual transitions and putting further pressure on industrialized agriculture (especially if it’s buying out local small farms) goes a long way. It should exist alongside our criticisms of Big Oil and the AI industry.

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Anonymous #1 14h

Yeah, colonialism is embedded in a lot Western food culture, from indigenous lands being stolen and near extirpation of staple species like bison to support settler farming (plant and animal) to the other extreme that eating meat is innately "immoral/primitive."

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