
as a human biology major itâs actually insane that anyone thinks that it isnât a living thing you are killing. your mom was pro life and thatâs why you are here. have some decency and respect life inside the womb. i will pray for you that you never do this to another human being.
people who need abortions tend to be people who don't want to give birth? what? i still theoretically COULD get pregnant, so it is a worry for me, but i also think people should be able to choose in general. and a hysterectomy isn't as easy as "please doc, take this out" and its just done.
Why stop with abortion? Letâs be pro choice with life in general. Iâm not saying everyone has to behave that way, but those who want to kill should be able to. If someone is bothering them or making their life inconvenient. In fact, make reckless driving pro choice. You should be able to choose to drive however you want and if you kill someone? Oooops. Who cares.
how are those related? you went from âwomen have body autonomyâ to âwell everyone should be able to kill if they want toâ cause apparently thatâs the next step after giving women control over their bodies?? like you see how those donât correlate, right. itâs important to me that you know that.
whether or not life starts at conception is a dumb debate. it ultimately doesn't matter bc its subjective- which is why i said idgaf if its murder. either way it directly affects the woman whos carrying. you seem to have more concern for a CONCEPT, that MIGHT eventually become a person.... rather than a woman that ALREADY exists. and somehow you think IM the psychopath
I donât care what a woman does with her body. Get tats, get pierced, get fat, get skinny, get pregnant, etc. I care about a woman or a man killing another body/life. Itâs a fact that a baby is a life. The same women who are okay killing a baby are the same ones who will make social posts âmy baby is the size of a walnut!!!!â
You just canât understand the correlation. Iâm saying you believe that ending a life is okay if you donât want the life to exist. And Iâm saying then why canât everyone make those decisions whenever they want? Killing babies is okay? Not adults? How old can a baby be before we lose the right to kill it? Because some states did try post birth abortion fyi.
so, no thereâs literally no correlation. i donât believe that âending a life is okayâ i believe women should have the ability to choose what happens with THEIR bodies and if they need a medical procedure aka an abortion then THEY should be able to make that choice. youâre making up a straw man argument to make yourself feel better rather than actually discussing this argument
but you probably donât care about that baby killing the mother, do you? no, because you care more about the concept of the child than you do the living and breathing person carrying the baby. not everyone can carry, afford, and raise a child but you would rather they be on this earth suffering in foster care or in a toxic environment than a person having a medical procedure
just genuinely, how do you not fall down more with there being so much messiness in that brainđ first of all, youâre assuming we all support war or the draft. second of all, who set that system up?? who set up the system of sending young men off to fight for their country?? cause it wasnât a woman. it was the patriarchy. men literally have full autonomy, you just so badly want to be the victim that you have to make up this idea that women are actively voting for men to be killed in war âŚ
iâve read all your comments and you donât care about giving women or afab people the right to choose what to do with THEIR bodies. you care more about the concept of a child being born even if it means brutally hurting or possibly killing the mother. you clearly donât actually understand the reality of pregnancy. no uterus, no opinion đ
Patriarchy literally made the country giving you the ability to even have the ability to voice your opinion. And yes, I actually do agree with the draft because I believe men have a duty to protect. I just donât believe in the premise of my body my choice. Babies in the womb need the mother. Babies outside the womb also need support to live. Sooo I donât think you get to kill anything that you support.
I agree. But women should have zero say in it since itâs not their body. So women shouldnât vote then I guess? If men canât have opinions on abortionâŚwomen canât have opinions on lots of things that donât involve them. In fact, women canât watch menâs World Cup. It doesnât involve them.
just putting words together hoping they make senseâŚu donât even stand by your previous argument then u just somehow wanna be the victim. this country did NOT do that. it was the brave women that came before me that did that btw. this country literally had no motive to try and allow women to have rights. women fought for those rights because itâs people like you who see women as objects that you can do with what you please.
âmen want women respectedâ as you actively disrespect women. iâm not gonna get on my knees and thank all the sexist men for âgiving me me rights.â they wouldnât have even done that without WOMEN fighting for their rights. âwomen appealed to menâ NOT EVERYTHING IS ABOUT YOU!!! get that through your head! not everything is about appealing to men and wanting male validation
If someone tried to force me through a pregnancy and I wasnât able to commit suicide Iâd probably end up killing it once itâs born ngl like so many other women end up doing. But people like you love the idea of mentally ill and incapable women being forced into situations that make them more likely to self harm or harm conscious beings
Killing another person isnât body autonomy. Women just cannot accept that they have the ability to carry another life inside them which obviously makes them have a different thing that men cannot also be held to. Killing a baby is murder. You can say you donât care or that there are situations where it is warranted (which I could agree with sometimes, but I would still be saddened by the loss of life). Iâm not some guy sitting here saying women should have no say in getting pregnantâŚ
but you are a guy speaking about a situation that has NOTHING to do with you. no uterus, no opinion. until you might experience the fear of getting pregnant, and having your organs move aside for a thing to grow inside of you, then donât tell women what they can and cannot do. you donât always have to speak, yk? you can just sit down and let women have body autonomy.
Abortion is murder. Regardless of all other laws. I simply was talking about how my body my choice isnât a valid argument for ending the tearing apart limb by limb or chemical burning away another body. If you feel murder is okay, thatâs your choice and you can vote accordingly. Other Americans will vote for what they believe. Thatâs the beautiful country we live in. Sometimes you lose and sometimes you win.
Thereâs literally nothing moral about abortion. A moral person cannot say abortion is okay with a straight face because morals come from a standard. You donât get to just pick whatâs moral and what isnât. Just because abortion was/is legally allowed doesnât make it morally right.
abortion isnât murder bruh. maybe google the definition of murder?? you are so confidently wrong itâs crazy. no woman is getting an abortion for the malicious act of killing another human being. they arenât getting pregnant and then waiting for the perfect moment thinking, âi want this person in pain.â and abortions donât cause pain, but pregnancies do. they are terminating a pregnancy that isnât viable for their life, body, etc. my body my choice is the ONLY valid argument.
you do realize more women die when abortion is banned/illegal, right? banning abortion doesnât stop them, it makes it more dangerous. so clearly you donât care about living beings because you actively support banning a necessary medical procedure. a moral person cannot stand up and say âwomen shouldnât have full medical access to terminating something that could KILL themâ but you clearly have no problem doing it
Youâre so funny. Show me the stats of how many women have died fighting for your rights versus how many men. You live in a world of delusion and are protected by men to be able to live in your man hating world. Itâs actually quite entertaining to see how unintelligent youâve gotten. Women are fine. Many women actually admit babies are life and care for them. Theyâre good people.
late term abortions are usually medically NECESSARY to assure the woman doesnât die!! people donât go though the changes of pregnancy, nausea, organs shifting, body changing, hair loss, etc to go âactually ya know what, i donât want to do this anymore, letâs go put my body through more pain to terminate itâ you are focusing more on the fetus than the mother who now has to mentally handle losing their child fyi but you use it as a âgotchaâ moment
Nah. Thats not true that they are usually necessary. They are at times and I do empathize with the mother. It is heartbreaking for someone excited to have a child lose it. Same with miscarriages. Many women are very okay with aborting whenever because they have a distorted view of it not really being a babyâŚ.even though when they later want a kid theyâre celebrating it from conception onward as their little boy/girl.
Youâre crazy to think that more abortions occurred when they were illegal. They did still happen and they were more dangerous, yes. But they were much less common. Due to legality, availability and that women used to have a sense of morality or duty. Many women now have only the view of self. Many men also so Iâm not making it only about one gender.
Iâve said it before and Iâll say it again. If you donât want abortions you should be fighting for a world where womenâs health is put first. Pregnancy mortality rates at 0% and full complete support from the government for pregnant women. And even if things got to that point women donât owe that fetus anything until it is born. The woman gets to choose whether the fetus uses her body.
you donât empathize with the mother. 1st you would probably sympathize with her because you will never truly understand what she will go through. letâs just make that clear second, late stage abortions are statistically due to medical necessity. you can say itâs not true, but history and science says youâre wrong
Bro it is known that abortions occur at a higher rate when criminalized đđ stop believing in stupid conservative propagandized talking points that make zero sense in reality. Abortion rates go down when women have access to healthcare and we foster an economy that supports children and families
Abortion does not happen more when it is illegal. Thats statistically incorrect. In fact, how would you even have those stats? They wouldnât be keeping statistics on CRIME you fool. I do agree with the economy aspect. Thatâs accurate and does need to be properly addressed. I donât believe in forcing people to have babies and giving mothers no support to actually care for these children.
Oh youâre talking modern day? When itâs still legal, there are just timelines that must be adhered to. And also we have a morally collapsing society as is obviously shown by the attitudes of many college age girlsâŚof course more and more will occur now. And abortion isnât federally illegal. It is state based and all states allow it in some cases.
again, women. fought. for. those. rights. like you are actually idiotic if you truly believe that men deserve credit for giving women the rights they shouldâve had from the beginning. âwell thereâs controlling men in other countries, so these slightly *less* controlling men in the US are good! you should be grateful!â like do you see how idiotic that sounds??
Calling someone a girl is in no way disgusting. People say âcollege girlsâ all the time. They donât say âcollege women.â So get off the high horse where you literally make everything an issue. Our society is morally collapsing in many ways. Not speaking just on abortion, but in a myriad of ways.
My mom did what she wanted. And she definitely didnât look at it as 9 months of pain. She looked at it as doing exactly what she wanted and being blessed for the ability to have a healthy child with her husband. I never said I think men controlling women is good. I simply am saying that you saying men canât have an opinion is dumb because men with opinions gave you your rights.
well first you would have to have a woman interested in you to even want to have sex and given your sexist, disgusting mentality, that seems unlikely. second, discussing an abortion between partners does mean it relates but this is a hypothetical situation that has NOTHING to do with you. you can discuss with your partner, but being against it as a whole hurts real women and doesnât affect you.
And I already agree with that. I do believe in fighting for healthy pregnancy, birth, AND childcare. I also believe in holding deadbeat dads fully accountable for abandoning their kids/mothers. Itâs a baby. People like to use the term fetus to dehumanize. But like i said, theyâll still do gender reveal parties, baby showers, and social media posts throughout pregnancy celebrating other pregnancies.
....you have zero nuanceđ. pregnancy is not always a blessing. CONTEXT MATTERS. if the woman CHOOSES to be pregnant, then it is happy. if she does NOT want to be pregnant, then it isnt happy. how is that hard to understand just say u dont care about the emotions and autonomy of women and go
when it comes to abortion, only womens opinions matter. most men dont know where a clit is, think we pee from our vaginas. they do not get it. men simply will never be able to comprehend a female body or what its like to have your body be a host for another life. your opinions are as valid as a football player telling an astrophysicist how to build a rocket.
Thatâs absolutely false. Most men donât know where the clit is and think you pee from your vagina? Thatâs simply false. We do comprehend and we appreciate what women go through to bring life into the world. Itâs beautiful what a womanâs body is built to be able to do. Just because Iâm not a woman doesnât mean I canât comprehend. Many times we see things we donât do and can still have understanding. Abortion affects fathers, sons, and society. So yes, men get a voice too.
Against your will is like if you got r*_ed. If you willingly had sexâŚyou knew the recipe. Thats like mixing up the ingredients for a cake and putting in the oven being shocked when you open it up and thereâs a cake. Have responsible sex and itâs extremely unlikely youâll have a pregnancy. Or have none at all and thereâs no chance. I wonât eat anything that Iâm told will give me a parasiteâŚ..
Okay first off the concept of war was started by men because they canât solve conflict properly. Second of all nobody has been drafted since the 1960âs women get pregnant everyday. And yeah women can vote for wars that can get men killed but you know who declared the war A MAN.
Nah. People donât get pregnant without doing risky shit. Most people who say âaccidentalâ were risking raw sex, creampies, etc. Entitled to no womanâs body. Both the man and woman make the decision to have sex with each other. Both men and women have consequences with children. Women have more physical ones and men have financial ones. Both endure emotional ones.
This comment just proves you donât know what murder is and youâre losing credibility as we speak. I understand you have concerns for the future of this potential child or whatever, but you donât seem to care when thousand of women are killed every year is abusive relationships.
brother it was tongue-in-cheek, first of all. second, it isn't telling on shit. i cannot and will not be pregnant. i wouldn't deal with something living and growing inside of me like that. i support people who WANT to be pregnant, i know it's an embryo or a fetus, and ill call it a baby if someone's excited and planning. but it's just a fetus if it's inside of me, and i will be aborting it.
But thats the thing, you could tell them that and they wouldnât listen Partially because of what #24 was saying, there is a sense of entitlement And they think they could change the womans mind So many men start relationships with women that make it clear they dont want children, and then 6years later the man gets upset she still doesnât want children Obviously its not all men but its enough to affect people
You donât seem to care when someone looses their life because you voted for a useless piece of shit all in the name of your selfish mindset, and being against the government using your tax dollars to help other people even though that is literally what the government is SUPPOSED to do.
If itâs a baby in them itâs a baby in you lol. You donât get to just pick what something is. There is a biological fact. It is a fetus until the very moment it is born, but there is no difference between sentience of a 6 month old fetus and a newborn baby. People just like to use the term fetus to dehumanize, but itâs truly the same. If you do an ultrasound theyâd say pictures of the baby.
We literally never spoke about wars, abusive relationships, who I vote for or if I vote, capitalism, or what I think tax dollars are to be used for. Your rant proves you have deep seated issues and hatred toward a political side that you need to deal with. Because youâre saying things Iâve never even spoken about whatsoever and donât believe in.
i don't care what they call it. i'll respect if someone's calling their pregnant belly a baby. i'm not saying "yeah that is an infant", but i'll ask if they've picked out names for the baby. if i had a fetus inside me, im not calling it a baby cause it'll NEVER be a baby. i don't care, it's getting aborted regardless of what you wanna call it
yeah, i'll respect other people, i'm not gonna be some heartless reddit atheist asshole about pregnancy or pregnant people. and i'm not gonna ask people to reassure me that they think i'm correct morally or anything, it's just the fact of what'll happen if i get pregnant; i cannot have myself give birth
You dont answer my earlier questions And thats the PROBLEM genius, by making abortions illegal for everyone, people that are smart and protective ALSO get harmed by that country wide law Because guess what? Contraceptives arent 100% effective but Iâm guessing you dont know that because you havenât done family planning
if not a person, then what is it? if youâre aboutta say âitâs an embryo,â then search up the definition of that word â to save you some time, itâs: âthe early developmental stage of a multicellular organism.â an ORGANISM is a living being, and in this case it is of the HUMAN species, meaning it deserves HUMAN rights â particularly the right to life. who are you to deny another human of its human right, just because youâre bigger than it? being pro-choice is a mighty selfish worldview.
#26 & #29 are 100% correct. Your head could be considered a maraca if you think men donât move around this world with a strong sense of entitlement. And again even if the raw sex thing were true it still doesnât justify the need to punish the woman for a basic human desire. And youâd be kidding if you actually think men care about whether a woman wants to sleep with him or not. It always about whether he wants to sleep with her.
being pro-choice is a mighty selfish worldview is the funniest sentence i have ever readđ when in its purest sense, it literally GIVES PEOPLE THE FREEDOM OF CHOICE!! the opposite of what is selfish and organisms need to be able to live on their own and regulate their own temperature, so in actuality the fetus would be âviableânot âlivingâ and focus on the LIVING human being carrying the fetus. pro choice DOES NOT mean pro abortion.
And yes the good old financial burden that men have to go through, Child support has never been enough to support a child and that mother still has to fucking work to feed that child. AND just because a man is helping financially to support a child doesnât mean he will be willing to help raise the child.
if thatâs what you see this as itâs no wonder youâre so upset. no oneâs arguing that every single pregnancy should end in an abortion, but women should have the right to choose what happens to their body, even if they made a âdumbâ choice. people drive without seatbelts all the time and yet if they were in an accident theyâd still receive medical care. making a risky choice â no longer having options to deal with the consequence of that choice
Yes women should be able to kill that life growing inside Because guess what? That thing is using the womans body and energy Now im evil because I dont want throw up every morning, have my vagina torn open, etc? Could you imagine pushing something like a watermelon out of your anus or penis head? Your morality is lacking have no true empathy
I guarantee Iâve done a vast amount of research and planning. But yes, contraceptives are very effective. And if you cannot deal with the possible consequences even if the percentage is small? Donât go banging. Itâs quite simple. You wonât die from it. And if you want to have sex? Enjoy. Just be safe and know that you could have a pregnancy.
Having the ability to have a child is a blessing. Whether it makes you happy or not doesnât determine that. Thatâs why sometimes they say âblessing in disguise.â The woman you refer to chose to have sex and had the knowledge of the possible consequences. If that consequence isnât preferred there are dildos that cost very little.
Most of our laws are influenced by judeo-christian principles. Not sure why you are okay with most, but draw your line at the choice to kill children. Maybe itâs the one place you can actually feel powerful. Taking the life of someone who canât in any way defend themselves. Like out of all the things in this country your top concern is being able to kill babies? Near and dear to your heart??
After conception, thatâs not a concept. Thatâs a human being that WILL be born unless you destroy it. Itâs definitely not subjective. There are very few cases where it would be impossible to have the baby, but if you are too reckless and end up conceiving a child, it is just morally irresponsible to end that childâs life for your lack of responsibility.
Many parasitic worms (helminths), such as tapeworms and roundworms, are biologically far more complex than a one-celled human zygote and, like an early embryo, depend on a human body to survive. This suggests that neither biological complexity nor dependence alone determines moral status.
Abortion procedures generally happen at late stages of pregnancy in which theyâre medically necessary for the woman to live. Are you seriously telling me with a straight face that those dire circumstances speak for all abortions? Also wtf does it matter whether or not I have? âIâve never seen a race and beforeâ âOKAY YOU CANT HAVE AN OPINION THENâ like tf??
it doesn't even have a soul. i wouldn't even call it human. i'd probably eat it like saturn devouring his son cause im just such a sickened individual. actually, everyone was right, too: i fantasize about abortions. i wanna have unsafe sex just to get one. i loveee abortions, not even to prevent pregnancy/birth, but because i like the idea of the power, and that's as close as i can get.
i donât, you just donât understand what actually happens during pregnancy. like âexcess nutrientsâ?? the mother is feeding two things, herself and a fetus. her organs move aside so the uterus can expand. nausea which can be so severe that the mother isnât getting enough water and nutrients. hot flashes, hemorrhoids, insomnia which doesnât allow the body to rejuvenate itself. weight gain which not every body can handle. and sometimes women struggle to gain weight to support the baby.
cont. - not to mention the changes in hormones which a lot of women already have hormone based disorders making it extremely difficult for their body to grow a fetus. and then comes the actual birth which can literally kill women, and thatâs just if they make it term and donât have complications any sooner. childbirth ranks 57 on the clinical pain scale. the point where the human body is designed to lose consciousness?? 45. multiple broken bones is 42. and what does the woman do? keep pushing.
those arenât extremes btw :) most of those symptoms are common pregnancy symptoms. just cause you canât comprehend those levels of pain doesnât make them false. you canât grasp a woman having body autonomy and not wanting to go through all the things i mentioned. itâs not murder, just accept youâre wrong and shut up about things you donât understand until you educate yourself.
If you arenât ready to bear the responsibilities and challenges of pregnancy, why indulge the act that is biologically meant to procreate without any precautions? We live in the easiest time ever to have sex without a child and yet itâs still not your responsibility to take care of a baby if you dumbfoundedly become pregnant?
itâs not killing babies good lord. you really live in your own delusional little world donât you? that everyone here is saying they want to kill babies? Christians outside the US didnât even have that view, it was because of americanized Christians wanted to fight against the sexual revolution in the 70âs. so whatâs your basis for your views anyways? cause itâs not religion as god didnât even say abortion was wrong. some christianâs in america in the 70âs did for political gain.
what are you even talking about now? đ so now itâs easy to have sex without getting pregnant, but i also shouldnât have sex because i could get pregnant?? đ sex isnât all about reproduction. sex can be for pleasure. when did i say itâs not my responsibility if i do get pregnant? but itâs my body, if i want to abort that baby, i should be able to!! iâd rather abort it then not be able to financially take care of that child.
Why do you want to know my religious standpoint? So you can validate even more in your mind that I donât know what Iâm talking about because Iâm Christian? I only base my views on the fact that I believe prematurely ending a life cannot be justified by any laundry list of excuses, just as murder cannot be excused. I heavily dislike how many people are numb to the idea of it to the point where donât even care about it
my point is that religion isnât even a valid basis. you just want to control womenâs bodies. a God didnât say abortion was wrong, so genuinely what could you possibly have to stand on regarding trying to control womenâs bodies? it isnât murder. learn the definition of murder and stop talking out of your ass. itâs not prematurely ending a life, itâs eliminating the possibly of cells to BECOME a fetus and eventually a baby.
it's not taking lack of responsibility, it's literally BEING responsible enough to know that the person cannot parent that child and isn't bringing them into a cruel, horrible world. and other mammals have sex for pleasure. we aren't cavemen who need to reproduce all the time. if sex is only for reproduction, then why is the guy's g spot in their ass?? because it's not all about making a baby! that's not all there is to life, and gay people exist. they donât have sex solely to reproduce bffr.
a) i agree with some judeo-christian values, like feeding the poor and healing the sick for free. i sure as hell did not learn these values from christians, who seem to have committed at least half of history's atrocities. laws should not come from the bible and b) a fetus <3 months old is not a baby. an egg, even fertilized, is not a chicken. it is a 1 oz lump of meat with no consciousness or ability to feel pain. it is as alive as all the sperm you have wasted in your life so worry about that