
I think the truth is somewhere in between. Cause the concept of male loneliness isnāt just about finding a partner, but about loneliness at large, and feeling like your worth is attached to your capability to do such a thing due to societal expectations. Often these people end up being shitty people, and that is their problem how they respond, like you can feel bad and not become a bad person, but I think it is not something to just be shrugged off like you said
The male loneliness epidemic has more to it than just men unable to get a girlfriend. Itās also about having trouble connecting with other men. Yes these menās connection with women (or lack of) is apart of it but itās not always about a romantic relationship. Some of these men have trouble connecting with their mothers, sisters, platonic female friends and stuff like that. Itās a bit dishonest and reductive to just present it as men unable to get a girlfriend, or ārebranded natural selectionā
not necessarily, humans are collaborative and social creatures and babies take a lot of time/work (itās why we tend towards pair bonding) like tbh sexual dimorphism is crazy low among humans compared to other great apes (closest comparison is bonobos with gibbons having the lowest)
Huh?? Naturally, the female in the vast majority of animal species (unless it's the male that creates/births the kid(s) like seahorses) is highly selective. Which is logical. Duh. Humans aggressively tried to defy nature by forcing women to birth and marry w 0 choice until extremely recently. Like women were just allowed to start having their own bank accounts w out their husband controlling it/signing off on it in 1974.
Yes, the pair bonding is super important. That's a part of why selecting a competent mate is so important in our species. I'm not talking physical attractiveness or anything (that's still an element tho). Im talking who would seem like they'd be a great, dependable father/partner. Shared values, high emotional intelligence, empathy, compassion, understanding, handiness, etc.
totally agree! thatās kinda what iām getting at. people like to point to biology to justify men so domineering but the actual biology tells a totally different story! our nature is to seek long lasting pro-social bonds! beauty and attractiveness is also highly cultural and individualized. it is an aspect, but standards arent super consistent across the board, especially when it comes to men. social compatibility has a way bigger draw
OHH. Yes yes yes!!! Exactly!! Social compatibility is the serious key in mate selection rn, and for some reason men can't understand that at all š they just keep spamming the physical appearance button Like duh y'all are lonely! You don't listen! And so many of them cling to all the fake bs myths they pretend is 'science'
soooo much of that is cultural. like some groups have been doing it 5ever but thatās just how their society works, while for others is absolute anathema. imo the only things were biologically wired for across the board is to be social, communicate, and stimulate our big brains (and that all goes back to be social) outside of that? pretty much all cultural
I think you are right, but men are a bit more prone to suffer from it due to an expectation to just deal with things on our own. At the end of the day there is no āwoe is meā for men, just a broader issue that we are all dealing with and need to work towards improving as a society
I also think part of it is just a social shift. This unfortunately happens when a minority or oppressed group gains ground in some way, there is a moral panic about it, āoH gOD wHaT iF wOMen cOULd vOtE it WouLD alWAYs juST bE thE sEXier cAnDIDateā or āoh NO if BLacK pEOPLe CaN vote ThERE wiLL bE NO ordERā I think we are having one of those moments. Unfortunately many people donāt realize that we are all⦠uh yk⦠people
And yet look at how the toxic masculine man is still preferred and the other not as masculine men get isolated for being more sensitive or not happy-go-lucky 24/7. Then theyāre part of the lonely men epidemic that you deem as natural selection rebranded. This mindset keeps giving the conservative men a pass and look at the explosion of young Republican and right-leaning guys.
This is true but in general ugly men are more likely to be rejected than ugly women. Not just in dating but in friendship with other men as well. This is no genders fault, just how it is. If you think of it in terms of cave man days. Ugly skinny man useless to both man and woman. Women donāt want to reproduce with him. Men donāt want him bc he is probably bad at hunting or some shit. Serves no purpose. Ugly woman can still produce a child. Women have inherent value. Men do not.
no offense taken just thought your opinion was laughable. makes me wonder if you look like Gorlock The Destroyer. i'm certainly no model but i am dating one. also you passed up your past opportunity to spell past correctly, it's past. low intelligence is not a trait most men find attractive, they don't want stupid kids š¤·āāļø
Mind you though more women are getting degrees than men these days and growing so I donāt know if young men these days truly look for intelligent women when itās women these days that are actually looking for intelligent men which are starting to be far a few these days. Oh well, thatās on them
The idea that men are biologically hardwired to cheat was popularized by Epstein through his infiltration of academia, particularly evolutionary psychology. He propped up researchers who legitimized his personal beliefs in a field that is highly malleable to biases. And now his beliefs are a pillar of redpill ideology š«
and who created that expectation? men created this system which promotes toxic masculinity and reinforces the idea men canāt cry, be vulnerable, have close friendships, etc. men suffer its negative consequences while also many of them shit on feminism. feminism aims to deconstruct toxic masculinity and the patriarchy. the patriarchy works for nobody
How do y'all just continue blatantly ignore everything we've been saying and overwrite it with your own weird delusions š This isn't about physical appearance. It's about YOU AS A PERSON. Seeming like an attractive husband/father/PARTNER. It's so easy to be like 'All they want is appearance based traits I don't have, oh well, nothing I can do!'; and less easy to be like 'Wait I actually have to work on myself and improve as a person then I can actually pull?'
Me as a person? Iāve saved many peopleās lives, Iāve talked people off the bridge, and rn Iām caring for my disabled mother, as Iāve done for many other disabled or dying elderly family members and family friends, without any complaint or second thoughts. While still working full time and starting up a business all on my own at 21. So explain to me how Iām such a bad person yeah? I wanna know
You guys are so fixated on material things when that's not at all what we mean. All y'all hear is 'physical appearance' and 'paying for things' We're talking about being a kind, emotionally intelligent, respectful, loyal, compassionate partner. We want what y'all want out of women out of y'all. We all want the same thing.
That's understandable, and 'bare minimum' shouldn't be used like that, I agree. It's just good in general conversation/discussion to achieve a general 'bare minimum' which should involve respecting, cherishing, and loving your partner. Men are totally allowed to feel wanted! Ofc! There's just a lot of kinks we gotta work out rn and a lot of mixed messaging bc this is really the first time we're all on level playing field when it comes to love/dating. Figuring out we ALL want the same stuff-