Anonymous #1 19h

Did I ever say that or did I say there are bad people in the world and you should take steps to ensure your own safety? The funny thing is I almost guarantee you understand the concept of risk reduction in every other situation apart from assault. Would you say I’m a victim blamer if I said hey dumbass you should lock your front door so it’s not as easy to rob you. I mean surely you lock your car and house doors right? Telling someone to not put themselves in bad situations isn’t victim blaming

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Anonymous OP 19h

Telling someone to live in reality isn’t victim blaming. Nobody is not holding the assaulter accountable. They are saying you should take steps to not be an easy victim. Not everyone is a good person so why don’t you accept reality and try to protect yourself instead of thinking it’s victim blaming

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Anonymous #2 19h

Yep and people who lock their doors still get robbed. Doesn’t mean you should throw caution to the wind

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Anonymous OP 19h

Nobody’s saying you should. But if your first response to a woman getting assaulted is “well you shouldn’t have done this” instead of supporting her and blaming her attacker (because it wouldn’t have happened without a violent man existing) you’re just victim blaming and misogynistic

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Anonymous OP 19h

“easy victim” was i an easy victim bc i was a child who was taken advantage of?

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Anonymous #2 19h

Okay but that takes me right to the main point bad people do exist and trust me if I could I would put a huge amount of people in prison because we don’t give harsh enough sentences. Simply saying there are bad people and you have to be cautious of them isn’t misogynistic you’re actually braindead if you think that and need to get off of tiktok. Turn your brain on for half a second and stop parroting other people and think for yourself. There is no society where bad people just don’t exist

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Anonymous #3 19h

Do you want the bad faith argument award? I’m talking about adults here not children go away

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Anonymous OP 19h

Bad and violent people will always exist which is why we need to blame them for attacks happening in the first place. A woman wearing a revealing outfit doesn’t mean she should be blamed for being raped or something as plenty of women who are fully covered, as well as children in childish outfits, get raped all the time. Instead of blaming the victim for not taking more precautions, support her and blame her attacker, as it wouldn’t have happened without the attacker being a violent person

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Anonymous OP 19h

no i want you to recognize that classifying people as “easy” victims is literally victim blaming. it puts the accountability of not being raped/assaulted/whatever onto the victim and not the actual criminal who did it. it doesn’t matter what someone does or doesn’t do. the fault is never with them, it’s with the person who hurt them

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Anonymous #2 19h

You know what fuck it you’re right. Nobody should ever take steps to prevent harm from coming to them. We should just always point our fingers at the bad guy and say bad guy is bad and then that be the end of it. You’re so right I can’t believe how wrong I was. For now on I will never take steps to protect myself. I’m going to walk around in baggy clothes with headphones on wearing expensive watches in the worst part of town. If I get robbed well I couldn’t have tried to prevent it

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Anonymous OP 19h

Way to ignore everything people are explaining to you

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Anonymous #2 18h

It’s so funny to me that this only applies to sexual assault. If somebody opened your car door and stole your backpack because you left it on the passenger seat and the door was unlocked you would realize that you could’ve taken preventative steps 😂😂😂

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Anonymous #3 18h

you can have full sympathy for all victims and want maximal punishment for the perpetrators while also promoting safety precautions. these are not mutually exclusive. and no it is not victim blaming to recognize that some situations and behaviors are more risky than others. this is such a stupid pointless argument holy shit

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Anonymous OP 18h

If I heard that happened to my friend I wouldn’t stand there telling them “what did you expect? This is your fault” I would help them look for the person who stole it… because I actually care about helping victims

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Anonymous OP 18h

babies get raped. elderly women get raped. corpses get raped. women in hijabs get raped. by telling the victims to just "do better" is completely ignoring the perpetrators. nobody's arguing that we shouldn't be smart. the original OP is just asking why men have so much more smoke for the victims than the actual abusers... and you proved her right.

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Anonymous #4 18h

yeah you can acknowledge some situations are riskier, but that doesn’t mean someone failing to acknowledge that should be treated or labeled any differently. if it’s so pointless why are you participating?

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Anonymous #3 18h

did i ever say that??? we are talking about PRE-cautions here. i am not talking about telling someone who has been victimized that they brought it upon themself. i am talking about taking preventative action. we do this in literally every aspect of life. if someone says “be sure to lock your door at night” nobody comes and accuses them of implicitly defending burglary, because that is obviously not what is going on.

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Anonymous OP 18h

strawman olympic gold medalist

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Anonymous #1 18h

It’s not a strawman. You think that women shouldn’t take precautions and if something happened to them there was nothing they could’ve done to prevent it. I totally agree with that statement. Women have zero influence over their own life and wellbeing

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Anonymous OP 18h

another strawman. nobody said women shouldnt take precautions. you missed the point

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Anonymous #1 18h

What exactly is your point

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Anonymous #4 18h

yeah and the whole convo started bc someone pointed out no matter what women do, or what precautions we take, men still predominantly blame us and say we should have been more cautious/done better/whatever. no one is saying women shouldn’t be smart but whyyyyyy is there so much focus on the victim and not the actions of the perpetrator? also sorry i wasn’t even talking to you earlier, i was talking about the fact he described it as being an easy victim. if you can’t see how that’s victim blaming

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Anonymous OP 18h

that it’s becoming more and more obvious that you might not support rapists, but you definitely think there’s a hierarchy of victims

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Anonymous #3 18h

Rapists are bad but I think women should take control over their own lives and make themselves less prone to being a victim. Rapists are bad but it is common sense to actually avoid potentially bad situations. Rapists are bad so I’m going to start saying every sentence with rapists are bad. Rapists are bad but if I don’t constantly state that rapists are bad you think I support rapists. Rapists are bad I hope this makes sense

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Anonymous OP 18h

this is the point

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Anonymous #3 18h

a lot of men genuinely do blame victims, and many unintentionally say blunt stuff about these situations while probably not truly blaming them. and that is bad. but as a society we do treat rape as one of the worst crimes imaginable close to or on par with murder. and if they are reported and there is evidence, rapists get many years in prison and then often are killed by other prisoners for said crime. it’s far from perfect but generally rapists are not getting a free pass legally or socially.

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Anonymous OP 18h

…i literally said you don’t support rapists. you can think rape is bad and still victim blame. your problem is that you’re STILL putting the responsibility to not get raped on women instead of focusing that energy on stopping people from raping. for the millionth time no one is saying that women shouldn’t be smart, but you saw a post talking about how men victim blame and then went on to talk about ‘easy victims’ and throw a fit when people corrected you. the whole concept of

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Anonymous #1 18h

Rapists are bad but most people don’t feel like they need to repeat that over and over. Rapists are bad but if my house got robbed because an unlocked door I wouldn’t say you think burglars are good if you didnt preface the statement of “lock your doors” with burglars are bad. Rapists are bad I hope this helps!

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Anonymous #3 18h

“well you should have been smarter. sucks you were raped but maybe if you behaved better that wouldn’t have happened” is LITERAL victim blaming. if someone is raped it doesn’t matter what they did or didn’t do, they shouldn’t be shamed for it

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Anonymous #4 18h

i actually can’t believe you’re saying this after the epstein files were released and literally nothing happened. you are not a serious person

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Anonymous #3 18h

Rapists are bad so can you please give me your 10 step plan to prevent any rapists from ever existing since you think it is possible to live in a word where rape will never ever happen again. Ps: Rapists are bad but this is why people say women act like children. Rapists are bad but you actually think it is possible to live in a crime free society

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Anonymous OP 18h

Perfect example of a 3-4 ranking on this chart

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Anonymous OP 18h

when did i say any of that? 😭

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Anonymous #2 18h

dude i was just thinking about this chart 😭😭🙏

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Anonymous #2 18h

Rapists are bad but you’re a fucking child living in fantasy land if you think it’s not. Rapists are bad but rape is older than society itself. Rapists are bad but if you have a way to stop all rape from ever happening again then go ahead and share it with the class

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Anonymous OP 18h

actually tho if we wanted to cut down like 95% of sex crimes all men should be put in jail. obviously it wouldn’t completely eliminate it but it would significant reduce the risk for women. for men who aren’t rapists in prison with them they should just be careful and if they do get raped ig they should have been smarter and made better choices

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Anonymous OP 18h

We’re not asking for you to prevent rape from ever happening again. We’re asking you to stop blaming victims and just fucking support them

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Anonymous #3 18h

Rapists are bad but I would say you said something along the lines of we shouldn’t tell people to defend themselves we should stop rapists from raping. Rapists are bad so I interpreted that as you thinking that we can prevent all rapes from ever happening again. Rapists are bad so I further interpreted it as you having a plan to stop rape

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Anonymous OP 18h

i commented my plan 🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous #3 18h

Rapists are bad but I think we should just put all women in jail instead of men

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Anonymous OP 18h

wait why don’t you like my plan? all men have to do is be smart and risk aware and they’ll be fine

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Anonymous #3 18h

Rapists are bad so why don’t you like my plan? Rapists are bad so you should be okay living inside a cage that has been welded shut so you can’t be raped?

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Anonymous OP 18h

umm bc men have nothing to worry about? as long as they’re smart and they make good choices they won’t be raped. that’s what you’ve been saying, i’m just using your logic

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Anonymous OP 18h

also like… women aren’t committing the majority of sex crimes… so even by your own logic why would it be smarter to lock them up and let the rapists go free?

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Anonymous #3 18h

Rapists are bad but I am not one so I don’t want to live in a cage. Rapists are bad so I think you should to protect yourself

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Anonymous OP 18h

but by your own logic as long as you’re smart you don’t have to worry. you can still protect yourself

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Anonymous #3 18h

Rapists are bad but again I simply just don’t want to live in a cage I’m not worried about risk of being in jail I simply enjoy freedom. Rapists are bad so you should be the one living in the cage to keep yourself separate especially since it was your idea

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Anonymous OP 17h

my idea actually was for men to stop victim blaming. you asked me how i planned to stop rape, and this was my solution 🤷‍♀️ maybe if you put more effort into figuring that out yourself instead of arguing with women you wouldn’t be lumped in with rapists. either way tho just be smart and be aware of the risks and you’ll be okay

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Anonymous OP 17h

i also love that you keep saying rapists are bad while arguing women should be punished for their actions instead. go girl give us nothing

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Anonymous #5 17h

Well unfortunately telling women to try to make themselves less likely to be a victim is extremely misogynistic (a classic behavior of people that hate women is telling them to be careful) and supporting rapists. This only applies in cases of sexual assault of course. If you tell them to wear non slip shoes after moping the floor at work well then it’s just common sense

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Anonymous OP 17h

negative iq

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Anonymous #1 17h

I feel like I’m speaking with a child

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Anonymous OP 17h

Well yes naturally. It’s cause they are simple creatures (specifically the upset ones not all women) and don’t seem to grasp that saying there is more work than just to the men is actually blaming the women. I was a victim of certain abuses when I was a child but I also recognize that I could have not been in those situations in the first place, moreover I definitely knew better… a parent always chirps safety

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Anonymous #5 17h

this is ALL we were saying. society would be better off if yall spent that energy on the abusers. im not sure how yall keep missing the point

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Anonymous #1 17h

Really quick answer this question and don’t say anything else. Is it easier to control your actions or someone else’s?

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Anonymous #1 17h

This is a minute fraction of the time I’ve existed. And you are saying that men (me and the above) have spent more time blaming”” victims than we have addressing cruel men. The original intent of the arguments (on the male side) is that it’s multifaceted. Somehow you have managed to infer the entirety of my character (in regard to my opinion on rape) from a few words. I hope this is clear on why I disagree.

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Anonymous #1 17h

Also to be clear I was implying that I have certainly spent much more time going after abusers than the abused. It’s actually crazy to me that you just leapt to the conclusion that I victim blame by agreeing that people will persecute you AS I HAVE JUST BEEN for thinking that mayhaps there is preventative measures.

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Anonymous #5 17h

idk ur character bro and i never claimed to. im talking about the attitude in the comments you and op made. based on my lived experience, every single women ive met, and statistically, yes. men ARE on average more likely to victim blame then go after the abuser.

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Simple question bro just answer it

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Anonymous OP 17h

the rapists are the ones who decided to act and rape. they actively did an action, which was rape. whereas the victims did not actively choose to get raped. therefore we should focus our energy on the rapists i cant believe you're actually arguing against everybody saying yall should give more of our energy to the people who actually committed a crime. wow. this is astounding

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Anonymous #1 17h

Is it easier to control your actions or someone else’s? If you’re not going to say “mine” or “someone else” don’t bother responding please. Hope this helps sweetheart

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Anonymous #1 17h

Susan has a friend bob. Bob rapes Susan. Bob asks Susan to come over. Bob rapes Susan. Bob asks Susan to come over. Bob rapes Susan. How many times can Susan be raped until I can say Susan stop going to Bob. I can certainly beat Bob half to death and report him too, if Susan doesn’t persecute do you want me to murder Bob? This is the situation in which I say women need to wisen up.

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Anonymous #1 17h

Not my character but my time and energy. You act as if I have spent all the time in my life telling women don’t dress scant!! But I haven’t. That is what I’m saying I’m agreeing that women get mad when you point out that sometimes the victim needs to stop endangering themselves. See the Susan and Bob message

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Anonymous OP 17h

i cant believe so many men like you are just walking around. any women reading this, please take note and stay safe. because the average man might not be an evil supervillain, but he most likely will lack empathy. have an awesome day ladies

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Anonymous #1 17h

I hate to break it to you babe but literally every man alive accepts this reality of risk mitigation. Maybe you should join a nunnery and never talk to men again if you need this much of a separation of reality

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Anonymous #5 17h

annnnd there it is. i just wanna say that i was the OP of the original post💅. and its safe to say, my job here is done. ladies please take note and stay safe. i hope i did a good job exposing the shitty mentality that most men tend to have.

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Anonymous #1 16h

When do I tell Susan to stop going over????? Never???????? A bystander better than nothing at all?

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Anonymous #1 16h

You’ve hit the end of your bs arguments when do I tell Susan to perhaps stop going over? I am not the problem for thinking Susan unwise to go to a rapist house.

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