Anonymous #1 1d

Yeah in general it’s wrong

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Anonymous #2 1d

I’ll have to check it out sometime

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Anonymous OP 1d

ts is so funny sometime should be sooner rather than later for your sake

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Anonymous orangepopcornn 23h

For sure but it’s sort of a double edged sword, there’s a demand for them so breeders keep making them.

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Anonymous OP 23h

oh absolutely

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Anonymous #7 23h

The owners aren’t necessarily fucked up but the idea of owning one is if you get what I mean, I’m angry at people for specifically breeding them to be that way. Backyard breeders suck

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Anonymous #9 23h

I don’t think they are either, I just think people should stop buying so many of them so breeders stop making them that way. Ideally all these dogs should have a loving home.

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Anonymous #8 23h

I think over in the UK there’s an initiative to breed healthy pugs but I’d have to read more on it. I think they’ve been fairly successful

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Anonymous OP 23h

Ik they are for frenchies

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Anonymous #13 23h

Because no one has ever adopted a pug? There literally 10000 different pug rescues and many pugs in local shelters.

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Anonymous #14 23h

I’m glad you saved him

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Anonymous #10 23h

No, that’s why it’s important to NOT support breeders. There’s no such thing as an “ethical” breeder. Adopt don’t shop.

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Anonymous pink_ogre81 23h

Right, and most of the time they are in rescues because the people that got them from a breeder don’t want to deal with their health problems. If you don’t get what I was saying you’re slow.

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Anonymous OP 23h

Ya it sucks cus even frenchies used to have snouts

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Anonymous #13 22h

ETHICAL breeders don’t make dogs with health issues. I have a service dog that I bought, because I needed a predictable dog. You can’t predict shelter dogs, they can be service dogs but 95% more likely to fail out due to past traumas. Some people do showings and you can’t do confirmation with backyard bred dogs or shelters. Adopt don’t shop is extremely outdated

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Anonymous orangepopcornn 22h

Anybody who seeks out a pug from a breeder is a putrid piece of shit, anyone who rescues a pug from a shelter or busted breeder is a good person

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Anonymous #13 22h

So like this is a poor temperament to have towards bred dogs, unfortunately some people can’t adopt just any dog I.e service animals. Some shelter dogs can’t be turned into service dogs and some shelter dogs products of their environment can’t be family dogs. So yes we need to support ethical breeders and adopt appropriately.

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Anonymous #28 22h

you get it

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Anonymous #2 22h

it bothers me that people are now just finding out about him smh, should be a crime

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Anonymous #40 22h

Should be taught in schools. Makes learning so much more fun!

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Anonymous #26 22h

Doodles aren’t bad. The big issue is breeders not caring and forcing the breeding process and not testing the dogs before hand.

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Anonymous #32 22h

If you buy from a breeder tho it’s still just as shitty cuz you’re creating and pushing that demand for pugs 🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous #13 22h

How do you expect important breeds to continue on? The police dogs that work non stop to hunt down criminals and sniff out drgs? They're from ethical breeders. B0mb search and cadaver dogs? The sound easy going serice dogs such as labs and poodles that support those with disabilities? They're also from ethical breeders.Dogs as a species would go to shit without ETHICAL breeders. Adopt OR shop responsibly.

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Anonymous #10 22h

This is very true. People like to gather every breeder under a ‘horrible person’ thing though they literally arent. I use ethical breeders and my doodles have never had a single health complication and have been the cheapest and most manageable dogs ever. I’ve known multiple pugs that never required surgery and lived very long

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Anonymous #31 22h

Ethical breeder and doodle in the same sentence is crazy 😭

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Anonymous #10 21h

THIS!! God I hate people just accusing all breeders of being horrible

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Anonymous #34 21h

Not all breeders are bad and it’s sad to see everybody here accusing all breeders. Shop ethically and don’t buy from backyard breeders <3

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Anonymous #41 21h

So are you saying I’m lying about my dogs never having any health issues?

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Anonymous #31 21h

Doodles are breded mutts they aren’t a real breed, they are a culmination of many different breeds they aren’t good stock either.

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Anonymous #31 21h

Doodles cannot be ethically bred in any way

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Anonymous #31 21h

Doodles cannot be ethically bred…

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Anonymous #26 21h

They’re the best stock for thousands of people who are allergic to other animals

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Anonymous #31 21h

No one said that but to say doodle and ethical in the same sentence is hypocritical.

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Anonymous #31 21h

The likelihood of your dogs sire and dam being properly health tested and registered is unlikely. What were your dogs OFA results if i may ask?

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Anonymous #10 21h

Explain how so? Because my dogs have always been low priced with genetic tracking and health exams before being deemed adoptable. It seems there are just people who hate on dog breeds- kinda crazy to hate on animals and then probably be the same people defending all types of humans

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Anonymous #31 21h

They aren’t, anyone who is marketing a hypoallergenic pet with fucking fur is a liar. Just cause it doesn’t trigger it as severely doesn’t make it truly hypoallergenic no dog is 100% hypoallergenic.

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Anonymous #31 21h

Get a poodle. not all doodles are hypoallergenic

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Anonymous #26 21h

Lmao I never said 100% hypoallergenic. They’re just better for people with allergies

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Anonymous #31 21h

And a “doodle” isn’t a breed. The creator of them even says that he regrets ever breeding them in the first place.

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Anonymous #10 21h

I am aware. And they are not hypoallergenic. For your information, poodles give me one of my worst dog allergic reactions, while I have never had one to a single doodle.

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Anonymous #46 21h

brachycephalic is the term you’re looking for. and when ethically bred they do not suffer from health issues

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Anonymous #31 21h

Yeah so are hairless cats, but doodles aren’t a true breed and are a bad thing to advocate for people to breed. Not saying they shouldn’t exist, it’s already here it deserves a good life.

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Anonymous #31 21h

interesting. Are you allergic to the fur or dander?

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Anonymous #10 21h

Doodle is a breed, it’s just not AKC because it’s not purebred. The creator said it is his life’s regret solely because of irresponsible and mass-scale breeding which can be unethical. You’re arguing one side

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Anonymous #31 21h

Hard disagree, doodles ARE bad. The breeding of any purpose bred mutts is entirely bad.

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Anonymous #10 21h

There’s no more purebreds left to ethically breed 😭😭 if people took care of their dogs and took them to get testing before they breed the world would be so different

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Anonymous #25 21h

There’s hardly any dog alive that does not have some form of other dog mixed within its genetics. That’s such a sad argument.

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Anonymous #31 21h

They have zero breed standard, therefore they are not ethically bred. Until the day they have exact standards and are recognized by kennel clubs across the world they are not a breed

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Anonymous #31 21h

Then you’re probably allergic to saliva and dander. Because they should not give you allergic reaction unless they aren’t getting bathed.

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Anonymous #31 21h

The difference is that humans have been perfecting these breeds for centuries in some cases, and they are bred to fit an exact standard for their purpose

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Anonymous #44 21h

That’s one sweet looking baby 🥺

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No one here eats dogs you dumb fuck

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Anonymous #10 21h

At birth his bill was clean. He is 8 and now simply has a bit of arthritis as many large dogs do. He has never needed any surgery and has been healthier than my purebred beagle who has had many surgeries and has on going health issues from birth

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Anonymous #31 21h

No I just think when people say their dogs don’t have any health issues they don’t take care of it as well as they should

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Anonymous #31 21h

OFAs aren’t done on puppies. and I think it’s very likely that your “purebred beagle “is byb. is the breeder recognized by the AKC or any other kennel club? Were its sire and dam health tested and proven?

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Anonymous #10 21h

But that goes against your argument. All dogs have been bred and changed and they are not purebreds. Doodles are not bad. Pigs are not bad. Backyard breeders who don’t take care of their dogs are the problem

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Anonymous #5 21h

Lots of people didn’t get a pug for their birthday it seems😂😂😂

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Anonymous #25 21h

Babes you can be allergic to anything. I get triggered by poodles

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Anonymous #31 21h

Did you miss the part where I mentioned that purebred dogs have a breed standard? Meaning that they must be a specific height, weight, and temperament? there is no breed standard for doodles, therefore, each and every doodle produced is incredibly different. additionally, you can’t cross two completely different dog breeds together and expect to have a sound well rounded dog with each and every litter. On top of that doodles have no real purpose, unlike other recognized breeds

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Anonymous #10 21h

My beagle is an AKC registered dog as was my sheltie. We had both of the parents tested to ensure her safety in life though because of the literal work of beagles, she has problems with her ACL’s on both sides and has needed surgery. We bought her from one of my local breeders who is also AKC registered and has a plaque on the wall in the woman’s office. And OFA preliminary evaluations start at 4months. We did the PennHIP at 17 weeks. As well as DNA check for MLS

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Anonymous #33 21h

not the point, just saying factory farmed animals suffer far more than pugs do but nobody seems to care much

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Anonymous #42 21h

Sybau

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Anonymous #5 21h

Prob cuz they didn’t ask for one. Hope this helps :)

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Anonymous #42 21h

Nigga we are not even talking about that we’re talking about DOGS

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Anonymous #17 21h

I only agree with you if you’re adopting a pug. I think it’s whatever if you’re getting a rescue or a shelter pug, but I lose all respect for you the instant I find out you paid a breeder for a fucked up animal that constantly lives in pain. I do have big respect for the retro breeder circle, who are trying to undo the horrible deformities by introducing other breeds, with the ultimate goal of making healthy pugs that look like the standard pug of the 19th century.

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Anonymous #10 21h

OFAs are done on parents but preliminary tests can show things before the dog turns 2 for OFA testing

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Anonymous #25 21h

Hun they are literally done on dogs after 4 months. Idk what you’re reading

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Anonymous #46 21h

Completely untrue lol

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Anonymous #25 21h

Oh how so? Explain.

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Anonymous #31 21h

They are only purebred by the legal definition, not by a biological standpoint

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Anonymous #44 21h

agreed

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Anonymous #33 21h

sure that's fair, i just think to have any sense of ethical consistency you shouldn't buy meat if you think owning a pug is wrong

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Anonymous #25 21h

In what way is that outdated? Even if purebred dogs were better at training (which they aren’t.), that is one very specific case. Adopt don’t shop is not outdated, is simply the better thing to do. The NIH posted a journal in 2017 about how mixed breeds are more trainable than pure breeds. Highly recommend doing some research on that before you say what I’m saying is “outdated”.

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Anonymous #42 21h

How the fuck does that even work. ‘Hey! Hey! You own a dog?! YOU CANT EAT CHICKEN!! HOW DARE YOU!!’

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Anonymous #13 21h

2017 was almost 10 years ago bruh

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Anonymous #42 21h

This isn’t about the meat industry, this is about dogs are you slow

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Anonymous #25 21h

It’s not at all outdated when it comes to dogs with health issues. If you are shopping for a dog with health issues, you are actively contributing toward the demand for dogs with health issues and actively perpetuate the problem. Those dogs still deserve a loving home but paying the people that perpetuate their suffering is not it bro

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Anonymous #31 21h

Right, I forgot scientific research expires every 10 years!🧐

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Anonymous #43 21h

That’s alright since you didn’t get him from a breeder, pugs deserve happy families too

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Anonymous #31 21h

no i'm saying if you find owning a pug unethical because they have been selectively breezed to live poorer lives, you also shouldn't support a system where pigs, cows, chickens, etc. are selectively breeded to live poorer lives. you don't have to agree with me but you also don't have to get so hostile

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Anonymous #13 21h

And they are a million articles saying the opposite. And it’s not training, it’s also genetics. Do your own research Pookie. My husband is a vet and has plenty of articles you can read saying purpose bred mutts aren’t predictable, and but I do agree GENERAL public shouldn’t be buying dogs unless they have a specific& valid reason for the type of dog. And saying it’s “one specific case” to try to diminish the value of a service dog is crazy.

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Anonymous #42 21h

This has to be ragebait keep it to yourself

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Anonymous #55 21h

Yeah, in that case you aren’t incentivizing breeders

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Anonymous #33 21h

it's about animal suffering and human cruelty ultimately. but i get it i'll stop i just take any chance i can to ask people to consider where their meat comes from

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Anonymous #31 21h

They have to have pedigree to be purebred, lineage matters, everyone in their family tree has to be purebred for them to be labeled purebred

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Anonymous #41 20h

I wouldn’t say so unless you take shit care of the pup itself

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Anonymous #42 20h

People are downvoting but I get where you’re coming from. I’m not vegetarian but I do know the meat industry is fucked up and once I’m able to afford it I want to buy meat from ethical farms. I think the difference is that pugs fulfill no need besides aesthetics, whereas protein is a required part of a healthy diet (and yes, I know you can get protein from other sources)

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The breeder doesn’t benefit from it

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Anonymous #63 20h

thanks for actually making a point, people jump to insults quickly. yes that's a good argument, i see how there's a difference. glad to hear you're planning on eating from more ethical sources!

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Anonymous #5 19h

prolly the dumbest comment in this whole section jus don’t make sense

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Anonymous #42 19h

i think it’s okay to eat meat. we are just too removed from the process of obtaining that meat. If people knew and witnessed what it entailed, they would consume meat much more ethically

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Anonymous #70 18h

Pit bulls are fine 🙄

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Anonymous #1 17h

One of the only dogs I’ve ever seen be accused of over selective breeding but actually hasn’t had that happen is the Swedish Valhund That thing looks like it had to have human intervention but it’s actually incredibly healthy, and has been like that since Viking times

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Anonymous #11 16h

so u want us to just leave them homeless and alone?!?!?

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Anonymous #76 15h

Not at all what they said ??? They’re saying “adopt don’t shop”. We shouldn’t support breeders that are continuing to support the health problems that come with pugs and other short-muzzled dogs. Every dog deserves a good, loving home, but if you’re dead set on getting a pug, then get one from a shelter so you’re not supporting an unethical breeder. Always support breeders that are working to help fix canine genetic problems though!

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Anonymous #81 14h

ALSO she cant jump anymore, we had to hold her up for her to use the bathroom and we were literally about to buy her a doggy wheelchair then she was like “hold my bone structure, watch this” and started wobbling on those things. i genuinely don’t know how she does it

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Anonymous #73 14h

yes i do.

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Anonymous #82 13h

to be a lot of inbreeding and over breeding which is why there are pugs with so many health problems.

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Anonymous #82 13h

my pug lived a fairly healthy, active life with minimal health concerns throughout his almost fifteen years of life. had a tiny bit of arthritis, was slightly overweight at a point but we got him down to a good weight, and was allergic to bug bites. other than that, he was the picture of health.

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Anonymous #10 10h

🤝 oh we're locked in thank god someone around here knows what's up

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