Anonymous #1 4w

I mean no argument here but still it’s selfish to plan to have a kid if you can’t even feed yourself. If something happens by accident that’s a whole other thing which I understand but like planning things is ridiculous in those circumstances

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Anonymous OP 4w

I mean to a certain extent I get that but I think a lot of the time people just don’t realize how expensive kids can be, or when they start planning they are financially stable but down the line shit happens. Like I don’t disagree with what you’re saying but I just think placing the blame on the parents ignores the wider issue that this is a failure of the system. But ik I’m on my socialist shit and again I don’t like inherently disagree with you, so feel free to ignore me

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Anonymous #1 4w

No don’t get me wrong I get what you’re saying! The system is totally messed up I’m just talking about specific people. Someone from my high-school literally doesn’t have a home or a job at the moment and is going on dating apps to find a man to have a child with her. That’s the reason I’m saying this because it’s gross to bring a child into that situation knowingly so personally I will put blame on some people.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Oh yeah that specific situation is very irresponsible, I totally get what you mean. For sure in extremes like that I agree it’s a personal failing. Because at that point you’re not thinking about the health of you or your child, you’re doing this as like a bucket list item and that’s not fair to your hypothetical kid.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Yeah for sure! But overall I agree with you

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Anonymous OP 4w

there’s no such thing as an unselfish motivation to have kids. wealthy people aren’t actually any more likely to be responsible parents, having money doesn’t mean you’re emotionally equipped to do the work of raising & supporting a child rather than singling people out for financial circumstances beyond their control, consider being critical of the societal pressure for everyone to reproduce

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Anonymous #2 4w

Im not saying wealthy people aren’t irresponsible! If you read another comment I put under this is due to a specific context. So this post isn’t me just criticizing poor people. Regardless finances are an important part if your homeless don’t plan on having kids on purpose. Financial circumstances may be beyond some people’s control but in the specific instance I’m talking about having kids is not every instance but my example.

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Anonymous OP 4w

my bad, yeah, the situation that sparked this post is def unreasonable. should’ve read the whole thread before replying this is just a conversation i have some big feelings about because on the philosophical level i’m somewhat of an antinatalist but politically i’m on a similar wavelength to #1. so idk, any time i see “[type of person] shouldn’t have kids” my reaction is “whoa there, frankly nobody Should have kids, but everyone should be Allowed to” ykwim. no disrespect intended either way

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Anonymous OP 4w

(not that i think you’re some kind of authoritarian type who wants to control who reproduces or anything like that either, tbc)

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Anonymous #2 4w

Oh no I don’t think the government should have any control on people’s body’s! Just in this situation she shouldn’t have them it’s extremely selfish also she’s a serial drug user so

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