Anonymous #3 23h

Usually when women say this it’s about men’s physical preferences. I’ll defer that societal expectations of beauty can be harsh. However, using societal pressures to state that the majority of men genuinely dislike womens natural physical characteristics, at least compared to how women perceive men physically, seems just outright false.

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Anonymous beestboy 23h

To remain consistent in your beliefs, you either are mad at men for not liking how you look, or are okay with that and also dislike how men generally look. It would be hypocritical to think both at the same time; if you’re going to hate on the way men look/are, don’t hate on men for doing the same to women. If you’re not okay with bashing the opposite sex, then don’t do it yourself.

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Anonymous #7 23h

You are allowed to find men unattractive, just don’t bash men when they make similar comments about women.

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Anonymous #4 23h

It’s a common thing for “straight” women to generally say that most women are more physically attractive than most men

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Anonymous OP 23h

i don’t think that was the topic to begin tho, i believe it was how men think all women find them ugly, not comparing the genders of better looks. the attractiveness of a person isn’t just in outside standard but the things they can provide and show partnership in, most men don’t want to do that. they don’t find partnership in their relationships, most find more of a control and that plays into the ugliness of a man

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Anonymous #4 23h

Good points but this post is moreso referencing women who respond to men voicing their physical preferences (albeit sometimes but not always unrealistic ones) by angrily saying “do men even like women?” while then also calling the vast majority of men physically ugly compared to women. Sorry if I miscommunicated what I was trying to say

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Anonymous #8 23h

Men : want woman to be perfect in every way, big tits, small waste, large ass, flat tummy, beautiful absolutely perfect facial appearances, no hair even in places that show have hair, dainty but independant, etc etc etc Also men: all a woman looks at is height!!! It’s something we can’t control!!!!!!!!!! WAH WAH WAH!!!!!!

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Anonymous #5 23h

Women: men have the most unrealistic standards! Also women: men will literally fuck anything, they’ll fuck corpses

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Anonymous #5 23h

Gotta pick one because both would be contradictory

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Anonymous #8 23h

You are missing the point of this post. I am not wondering or asking why women don’t like men.

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Anonymous OP 23h

As a woman I agree with this as well 😁👍🏻

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Anonymous OP 23h

That’s not contradictory. Men would fuck anything but that doesn’t mean they would love and respect anything. They wouldn’t marry a corpse.

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Anonymous OP 23h

And you’re missing the point of my comment

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Anonymous #8 23h

Me fuck everything and anything (how we got sexual transmitted diseases as it only comes from certain animals), but exactly as u said will only respect a woman is they find they attractive

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Anonymous #8 23h

Men*

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Anonymous #8 23h

If you genuinely think looks are what lead to love then you need to go outside and observe the world. Looks are the basis of physical attraction, not love. Love needs more, for both men and women

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Anonymous OP 23h

LMAOOOO YOU’RE SO BLIND AND OBLIVIOUS. LOOK AT WHAT YOU’RE SAYING AND LOOK AT THE WORLD AROUND YOU.

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Anonymous OP 23h

maybe it comes down to how the different genders hold themselves, it is more appealing and attractive to watch a women with grace walk past, whereas it’s not appealing to watch a man catcall that woman on the street, one holds with elegance whilst other holds with lust so i guess my point of view is now both genders hold elegance and lust, but in my eyes i guess i believe men show the lust more and women show more of the elegance

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Anonymous #8 23h

Don’t waste ur time on this chump bruh, it’s def a dude bc he’s so obviously to how men treat woman in this world 🫩✌️ Every man I speak to on this anonymous app (which is how yk it’s a man) is so oblivious to the reality to this world bc they feel attacked and for some reason the reality hurts their fragile masculinity so they have to get defensive

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Anonymous #8 23h

And again, the point of this post is not to ask why women don’t like men. It’s to point out that women generally dislike men MUCH more than the general population of men dislikes women; yet, women always say “do men even like women?” in such a way that insinuates that they believe that the dynamic exists the other way around.

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Anonymous #5 23h

I am not blind to violence on women from men, nor the societal beauty standards for women that exist, but this post is about neither of those things.

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Anonymous OP 23h

Women dislike men so much because men treat women like absolute shit. That’s why we wonder if men even like us. Because they act like they fucking hate us. I’m done arguing with someone who refuses to understand that the world doesn’t revolve around men, and men aren’t saints

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Anonymous OP 23h

Woman say “do men even like woman” not as a reference to physical attraction. It’s due to how shitty and disrespectful men are towards woman, then call themselves straight, where the irony is they need a woman. Woman generally dislike men bc men disrespect, rape, harass, and beat woman. Your comparing looks to a reaction

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Anonymous #8 23h

I agree with those things, this post was referencing physical preferences of the sexes.

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Anonymous OP 23h

You’re fucking oblivious. You’re literally living in your own world. I’m done with you, but I just think you need to know that

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Anonymous OP 23h

Then I think ur confusing the fact that woman say “Do men even like is” Is related to physical preference. Bc that sentence isn’t based on whether someone looks pretty or not, that sentence is said bc men are disrespectful to woman as said prior

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Anonymous #5 23h

Maybe I should word what this post is trying to say and what my point is a bit better: Often times I see posts where women respond to men’s physical preferences with “do men even like women”. If they say that about how societally some men treat women horribly (SA, etc) then I was not referring to that. I was simply referring to men’s physical preferences. I included “men are ugly” because women will also then say that most men are physically uglier than most women. Again, physical preferences

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Anonymous OP 23h

Basically the point is that women seem to act like men are harsh towards women about physical traits, which to an extent is true, but more men are physically attracted to more women than the other way around. I feel like that last part is hard to deny

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Anonymous #4 22h

I was referencing physical preferences rather than the way people act

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Anonymous OP 22h

TLDR: men are physically attracted to more women, women are physically attracted to less men.

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Anonymous OP 22h

Not to be like that but honestly if no one gets the point (as I’m reading through the comments) then u worded this whole post wrong bc what u said for every woman, they read it the same bc they experience this daily. U should lowk js remake the post bc ur not articulating what you mean

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Anonymous #5 22h

Honestly ur probably right but I think that women see misogyny on the internet so often that often when some wording may seem close to misogyny or worded like a typically misogynistic post you assume it just is, so you might feel the need to get defensive (as you’re used to with some of the shit that you might see)

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Anonymous #5 22h

I feel like this post articulates what I mean because I was simply responding to women calling most men physically unattractive, meanwhile that question they ask is often in response to a perception that men don’t find women physically attractive.

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Anonymous OP 22h

Also if we go based on this. Societal standards woman are expected much more with looks than men. Litterally like 10x. So doesn’t it make sense that woman are more attractive?? They put sm more work into their appearance, not bc they want to but bc they are expected to and only receive “respect” if so. While a man can not, and nothing happens. Does this not click how statistically woman r gonna find men less attractive if they put no work in themselves, while males are gonna find woman more 1/2

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Anonymous OP 22h

Attractive since they put sm work? 2/2

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Anonymous OP 22h

Yeh I can actually see this 100% bc that was my initial reaction bc that’s how I read it as

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Anonymous #5 22h

There are two things that I’d like to say in response to that: My first point is, if we assume that more women are more attractive than men, and we can agree that men find more women attractive, then why ask the question “do men even like women” (strictly with regards to physical appearance) when we know based on those assumptions that they obviously do?

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Anonymous #5 22h

My second point addresses the other possibility: even ignoring women doing work on their appearance, they are still generally more selective. Don’t women often say they do their nails, makeup, lashes, hair, etc for themselves? Men often say they like a look that is closer to natural and women refute “we do it for ourselves, not you”. Sure societal standards exist, but men would be less selective than women regardless

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Anonymous #5 22h

We may disagree on whether women being attracted to less men than men to women is due to an inherent nature of us or societal standards making women more beautiful. I would argue the former because I and many other guys from my experience that take care of our hygiene, bodies, hair, and health relatively well struggle with attracting women. But we can agree to disagree and that still leads to the next point: Granting either explanation, men find more women attractive. The whole point of the 1/2

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Anonymous #5 22h

post was to point out the hypocrisy in saying “do men even like women” (again only with regards to physical appearance) when women seem to be attracted to way less men physically. It’s okay to have your physical preferences, but my point was don’t pretend that yours are more valid, or that you have less. You know what I mean? 2/2

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Anonymous OP 21h

i'm going to be honest, i have personally rarely seen women expressing the sentiment you're talking about in regards to men's physical preferences in women. i often see it being expressed in terms of how men talk about socializing with women, which is to say, they often say and act like they'd much rather prefer to socialize with other men (to put it very lightly/generously).

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Anonymous #3 21h

i'm trying to think of if/when i've seen women talking about male preferences...the discussions i think about are when men call a woman--who like, would usually be considered attractive--"ugly" based on something like, i don't know. weight for example. like you'll have a very curvy woman, but because she appears arbitrarily "fat," you'll see some men say she's ugly and overweight

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Anonymous #3 21h

the other times when i think of something like this happening is when it comes to female characters in video games. take aphrodite from hades, for example--she's sort of like. blatantly designed to be physically attractive in a mostly conventional sense, right? but you had some men looking at her facial features and deeming them too masculine for them, going as far as to make edits depicting her unrealistically slim and making her look even more feminine

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Anonymous #3 21h

and we see this particular type of thing quite often. i think the recent cycle was with the fucking. god of war's wife? where a bunch of men were calling her ugly and expecting her to look like some kind of supermodel, meanwhile, she just looks like a woman in her 40s or something. so that kind of thing is a small part of why women ask if men are even actually (physically or otherwise) attracted to women. REAL women. because they always seem to want a fantasy version of a woman.

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Anonymous #3 21h

sure i don't doubt men are generally attracted to real actual feminine bodies and stuff. but they sure are weird about it, and very conditional about what they seem to like or even be able to appreciate. i think especially the latter one is rhe important distinction. because it's more than okay to not be attracted to everyone/everything. but you can at least appreciate people for how they are, and it shouldn't then dictate how you treat people outright...

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Anonymous #3 21h

so you go back to the video games thing and like, how many different types of male body types are represented in them? and how often do you see women kicking up a fuss about the men maybe not being suited to their needs? but with men it's like, if they don't find the female protagonist or other female characters attractive, all of a sudden they can't play the game at all, and it's some woke culture war bullshit or whatever.

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Anonymous #3 21h

I’ll respond to the rest of what you said later when I have time, but I’m not gonna lie most of us normal dudes consider guys who care that much about how female bodies in video games as gooner weirdos lmao 😭 I mean sure we may express our opinion on what characters might be attractive or not so much, but to not play a game because of one less attractive female character, or to exclusively play games with hot female characters? We’re instantly labeling that guy as a weirdo gooner chud lmao

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Anonymous #3 21h

or yeah even irl there are definitely men who treat unattractive women as if they're (even more) subhuman. i mean i think i just saw a study about how differently fat men and fat women are treated in society, highlighting how like. the threshold for people to start mistreating a woman who is overweight is muuuuuch lower than for men

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Anonymous #3 21h

My brother literally stopped playing rivals because he was tired of some weird over sexualized skin appearing on his screen every time he died to a female character because for some reason rivals seems to love pandering to that type lmao, but i promise you the majority dont dig that shit, we just wanna play a good fucking game lol. I mean there for sure are outliers out there but im quite certain those are a very small minority.

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Anonymous OP 18h

"for some reason" LOL anyway yeah i maybe would've been more willing to be more charitable to The Male Population™️ years ago (and to be clear Obviously yes not all men whatever whatever) but gamer gate and it's very real and tangible and ongoing results have jaded me quite a bit re: guy gamers and their tendencies. whether they're a majority or not lowkey doesn't matter if, yeah, they're loud and also keep getting their way

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Anonymous #3 18h

like the very thing you're talking about is a product of companies thinking yeah we gotta have the ladies be super sexy all the time to sell it the games to their fanbases. mind you i don't think we shouldn't have sexy ladies in games but it'd be nice if we could get 1) men being slutted out too and 2) more variety when it comes to how women are portrayed lol. but anyway i think this is starting to get into a separate issue

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Anonymous OP 17h

my question is what do you mean by Attracting women? bc it's one thing to be physically attractive and it's another thing to have that attraction actually bear whatever your desired result is. do you mean women don't approach you despite your looks? women don't have sex with you? women don't end up dating you? cause simply being physically attractive isn't everything At All

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Anonymous #3 17h

i also have to point out how it's funny that you yourself are saying women are "more selective" (i couldn't tell you if that's true or not--but sure i can believe that they are on average for a variety of reasons) but then you get upset at the idea of women saying men will fuck anything?¿ lol

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Anonymous OP 17h

in terms of this idea of hypocrisy i think it only appears hypocritical if and when you take the question "do men even like women" to mean it as you have interpreted it and keep trying to interpret it--concerning physical appearance--despite now several people telling you it has to do with an entirely different thing. "are men even physically/sexually attracted to women?" of course they are, and no one is going to dispute that

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Anonymous #3 17h

but again that's not the actual underlying question being asked. the actual subtext is "are men even romantically, platonically, and in some cases, aesthetically attracted to women?" which is a much more fraught question, and therefore not a bad one to ask. nor is the answer "no, men are not attracted to women in these ways" a hypocritical answer to the question.

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Anonymous #3 17h

also again re: being attractive to women it's a whole thing about how men are often performing more so for other men than for women hence why i talked about how men appear unattractive to women bc they fail to take into consideration what women would find attractive. you will see so-called pickup artists and their ilk literally say you shouldn't listen to women's advice on how to pick up women. lol

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Anonymous #3 17h

whereas women are conditioned by society to make themselves attractive yes to other women but also certainly to/for men. i mean, it's all one big stupid game of dress to impress were playing it's just that the stakes tend to be astronomically fucking higher for women. it's stupid and annoying honestly.

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Anonymous OP 17h

Before I respond, quick question… were you born yesterday?

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