
Yea as a black man from the south who had a friend group that turned out to be maga, it’s not the same in the south. The KKK LITERALLY ENDORSES THIS ADMINISTRATION. THINK FOR ONE SECOND WHY!!!! MAGA is turning because of them helping Jewish people NOTHING ELSE! Take that away AND THEY WANT ICE HERE! THEY WANT TRUMPS PLAN.
lol. Nahhh. You don’t get to vote to take away rights from women , queer folks, brown people and say “ yeah it’s just politics. Nah. If you vote for people who enact that crap or support it, you have a horrible moral compass. “Ya know? Being a decent person and being a fucking Nazi aren’t that different. It’s just politics. They just vote for the Nazi party.” Nahhhhh. I don’t need that energy in my life. Come back when you have better beliefs. If it was “just tax rates” whatever. It’s not…
respectfully, it’s been said since the 70s that the personal is political. human rights issues and systems of oppression all fall under the umbrella of “politics”—a majority of even the most dull & neutral-seeming electoral issues are still influenced by these systems to the extent of being inextricable
if you believe this then you don’t understand the meaning of the word “political”. like, reproductive rights being rolled back is a political issue whether we want it to be or not, same goes for the genocide of Palestinians or the past enslavement of Black Americans. those are all humans rights issues. humans rights issues are in fact inherently political, and “political” doesn’t exclusively refer to electoral matters in the first place
Just reading this makes me sad. Y’all can still hold your values and acknowledge that many republicans share them. The two things are not mutually exclusive. “Fence sitting accomplishes nothing” and neither does garbage spewing on the internet yet here you are. I genuinely do not understand the animosity towards anyone who treats topics with nuance.
a primary difference between the fencesitting and my “garbage spewing” is that the former is an issue with the entire ideology of the person I’m replying to, while the latter is simply me dicking around online during my free time. surely you can notice a bit of a difference in scale there
feel free to project a total lack of nuance on my principles if doing so cheers you up, but no, I don’t share values with republicans. I’m opposed to everything that political sector stands for. the choice to self-describe as a republican in the first place says more than enough for me to know how I feel
If repression is so total that no genuine left can exist, then how do you explain leftist survival, organizing, publishing, voting blocs, and internal disagreement at all? Are you simply saying that the left doesn’t exist or is only in service of the right? If that’s the case, then what does this reply have to do with dems and reps getting along? Feel like I’m missing some context here
most of what you mentioned has no effect at all. the most leftist organization i know of is food not bombs and they’re fined into oblivion. mask blocs and buy nothing stores are also the most left concepts i see that exist but they’re not enough to actually do much to change the matirial conditions of peoples lives. anything that will truly challenge the status quo is quickly shut down
Right. So OP is explicitly saying the republicans they’ve met are closer to centrist than you’d think, which implies to me those republicans are not for taking rights away from women, queer folks, people of color, what have you. And if your argument is that voting for a side that does want those things is immoral, you should probably not vote for team red or blue at all. Here is a list of all the fun things the left has been up to and it should be common knowledge at this point:
Funding the Gaza/Israel war where there are mass civilian and child casualties, border crackdowns that exist under democratic policy, polices that maintain mass incarceration and harsh sentencing often in blue cities, speech policing as a rights violation. You are more than welcome to not be friends with conservatives, just don’t act like the left has moral superiority because they really don’t. The system is, in fact, fucked. Who would have guessed?
What are these conservatives wanting to “conserve” exactly. No. You can’t have that worldview and be a good person. Sorry, not sorry. Like while ice wanders the streets, we threaten our allies, military has been deployed to cities, and all manner of bullshit targeting trans people. While racial profiling has been made legal. While insane use of force has been backed. No. Nothing worth conserving. If the threat wasn’t “vote for these asshole or get legit fascists, I’d be able to vote better
If you vote republican, you decided it based on being okay with fucking over people or depriving people of rights. You ARE a racist, homophobe, transphobe, or some other form of shitbag. Maybe a Christian nationalist. Maybe weird “traditional views” rooted in misogyny. Best case you’re a fiscal conservative which means “I’m not racist, I just don’t understand the economy, and tolerate fascism if I think I’ll make a couple bucks” which means you’re insanely selfish and without empathy.
The choice is “modern equivalent of nazis vs any opposition” basically. I can’t afford to be picky when the opposition is actual nazis. Once we jail the nazis, and restore order, then we primary these stupid dems with progressive candidates. If you have nazis, and an opposition that is significantly less fascist but chose nazis. Eat shit. There’s not justification. I choose to not be friends with republicans because it means you’re a horrible person. It’s simple
My position isn’t “MAGA is fine” or “Republicans are the lesser evil.” I’m pointing out that your moral certainty only works if it’s applied consistently. You didn’t address the Democratic policies I mentioned at all. Are you okay with Democrats funding wars where civilians die? With immigration crackdowns under Democratic administrations? With mass incarceration in blue cities? Because by your own logic, if voting for harm makes someone immoral, then voting Democrat doesn’t exempt you.
I’m put on a trolley problem where one person is on the tracks one way, and the default is 5 people are run over. You’re evil for not choosing one person. No. I don’t like democrats, but it’s just like the trolley problem. In primaries I always vote for candidates who don’t support Israel if the opportunity presents itself or more progressive candidates. But, given the state of the US, voting is a trolley problem. Do nothing, 5 people die. Pull the lever, one person dies.
Right, so you are justifiably angry at the people who would be excited to pull the lever. I’m assuming you do know that many, many republicans are not these cartoon villains who that you’ve constructed, yet you villainize them anyways for voting for party you deem as Nazi. I am unlikely to convince you that team red is not the 2nd coming of Nazi Germany, so let’s pretend that claim is accurate. Here is why villainizing every single person who votes red is an objectively bad idea:
Historically, this kind of total moral villainization is not how fascism is defeated, it’s how it grows. In Weimar Germany, large portions of the population were written off as backward, immoral, irredeemable reactionaries. Political identity became moral identity. If you weren’t on the “correct” side, you weren’t just wrong — you were evil. That didn’t weaken the Nazis; it radicalized, consolidated, and mobilized people who felt permanently excluded from legitimacy.
Fascism rises when millions of ordinary people are told there is no path back into moral society except through the movement that promises dignity, belonging, and retaliation. When you collapse entire populations into “Nazis by association,” you don’t isolate extremists, you drive moderates into their arms. That’s not harm reduction. It literally serves the harm you are trying to reduce. You can oppose authoritarianism without recreating the exact social conditions that allow it to flourish.
Welp. We are already to that point. We have our radicalized nazis.(an equivalent movement rising) If you were in 30s Germany, and opposed the nazis, would you want friends and neighbors who fly the nazi flag and proudly proclaim support for the nazis? Want nazis at ur bbq? No. Being resistance is the only solution at this point till we can take our country back, then enact stiff laws to limit executive power, and measures against corruption that enable. Subversion of the checks and balances.
Right wingers can eat shit. Republicans don’t get to be part of my world. I work to make a safe place for the other queer folks, women, and minorities doing what I can with my own 2 hands. My tea parties, house parties and social spheres are safe places and no room for those who make it unsafe.
Hard stop. We are not in 1930s Nazi Germany. If we were, you wouldn’t get to host safe places for marginalized groups; you’d be incarcerated. Let’s relax You are lumping in republicans who share those values (and again, many, many do) with the people you are actually morally condemning. And your opinion now has to pretend like we are past the point of a democratic reality to be a refutation to that history lesson, and I don’t see any concentration camps yet. This mindset is how Germany collapsed