I haven’t seen anyone say that about abortion when there’s a significant risk to the mother

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Anonymous #2 7w

it happened because of anti abortion legislature. by law, the doctors could not operate

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Anonymous #2 7w

Pro life people are “pro birth” not life. None of them give a fuck what happens to the child AFTER pregnancy. They don’t care about orphanages being funded, they don’t care about low income families on social safety nets, they don’t care about school lunches, they don’t care about pediatric cancer research, they don’t care about kids health or college or fuck all. They just want to control women. They’ll take it so far as to ban contraceptives if they had the choice to.

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Anonymous #3 7w

Not all of us. There is a spectrum to every issue. It’s why compromise is important instead of sweeping legislation

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Anonymous #2 7w

Women understand those risks when they choose to have an abortion. They did not know a pregnancy would be the death of them and nothing could be done because of a stupid fucking law that values a fetus more than a grown woman.

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Anonymous #2 7w

If you’re against human rights for women and the ability to choose to not have a child you are against all human rights. You either stand up for all of them or none of them. There IS NO COMPROMISE ON THIS.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Your “spectrum” paved the way for 9 states to ban abortions even for incest or rape victims. That’s your fucking legacy.

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Anonymous #3 7w

#3, ur cooking babe

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Anonymous #4 7w

Human Rights apply to women end forced motherhood. 9 states ban abortions even in rape or incest. That number should be 0

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Anonymous #3 7w

From what I’ve read, it sounds like broad neglect. Abortion laws would not have prevented docs from monitoring her and admitting her to ICU with a NICU consult. There is no law that would have prohibited that. Before assuming the intent of an EM and OB doc, I’d have to see their chart and documentation

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Anonymous #3 7w

This is also the most common false dilemma I’ve heard concerning abortion

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Anonymous #3 7w

So women should just be able to execute their children with exercise bands? That can end forced motherhood can’t it? Btw rape and incest abortions are a like 2% of all abortions. That’s an argument tactic and it won’t work on anyone that understands the very most basic concepts of comparing numbers

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Anonymous #2 7w

This issue is far broader than this single case. Forced motherhood is a fundamental flaw in society. You are bringing children into this world who will not be taken care of you’re only causing more death and pain because you people believe that a fetus is more valuable than a woman. The fetus doesn’t even have a consciousness till 24 weeks into the pregnancy. Most abortions happen in the first trimester or 13 weeks of the pregnancy or the first 2 months.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Just because you call it false doesn’t make it any less true. There’s a reason we call you people fucking Facists. Because all your regulations are designed to control people’s lives. The party of small government my fucking ass.

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Anonymous #2 7w

You people don’t improve anything you make it all worse. Statistically, logically, scientifically, politically, economically and socially.

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Anonymous #3 7w

I’m not a Republican, and I typically don’t vote Republican

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Anonymous #2 7w

You should. Or don’t vote at all. You’re not welcome by any measure on the left if you oppose women’s rights to choose. This goes double if you are a male.

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Anonymous #3 7w

Authoritarian government is when you cannot murder your own offspring? Every regulation is designed to control people’s lives. Are speed limits fascist? Is it fascist to say a man cannot rape a woman since you’re controlling his life?

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Anonymous #4 7w

Oh that’s funny you bring up rape. So defend the 9 states that would force a raped woman to have her rapists offspring?

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Anonymous #3 7w

It’s absolutely broader than a single case. No one would ever deny that. People can want abortion to be abolished and also want more funding for social programs like WIC and SNAP.

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Anonymous #3 7w

You wanna talk about authoritarianism? You know what country has generational punishment? North Korea. Why should a baby be punished because of the crimes of their father? Why does the manner a babies conception determine their right to life?

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Anonymous #2 7w

Yeah well luckily you’re a small fucking percentage.

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Anonymous #4 7w

Because the baby shouldn’t have been made in the first place. You’d force your daughter to have her rapists child? Even if she was begging not to? What the fuck is wrong with you people?

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Anonymous #4 7w

Access to safe and legal abortion is recognized as a fundamental human right by major international bodies and human rights organizations like the World Health Organization and Amnesty International. Individuals have the absolute right to make decisions about their own bodies, health, and futures. You’d rather leave it up to your made up sky daddy you cultists

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I think your father should be killed. Good for you.

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Anonymous #3 7w

I’m not welcome on the left because I have a few right leaning ideologies and because of my gender? Didn’t that guy Hasan Piker say something similar? And then we wonder why we’re “so divided.” I’m not going to vote Republican because you think my vote isn’t “worthy” enough for the left

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Anonymous #3 7w

Cool 2015 r/atheism quote at the end. The right to your own body stops exactly at the point where it stops being your body. An individual that has separate dna from you is NOT you. Lindsay Clancy is the logical conclusion to your pro abortion stuff. If it’s legal just before birth then it’s not a huge step to say it should be legal after birth either. I guess that’s what you mean by an individual having decisions over their own future right?

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Anonymous #2 7w

You are correct. You’re not. You either stand for all basic human rights or you don’t stand at all. You want sweeping abortion bans? Go support the evangelical idiots who are defending pedophile billionaires we don’t fucking want you.

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Anonymous #3 7w

So you believe that if someone was never intended to be born that their life has inherently less value because of it?

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Anonymous #3 7w

Who said I want sweeping abortion bans

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Anonymous #3 7w

Don’t act like you give a single fuck about children. They are nothing more than political pawns for you. You stand on their graves after tragedies and act like you care about Epstein because you think Trump is the only person implicated in it. Children are an argument tactic for you. You don’t actually care about them. Remember which side wants to normalize “maps”.

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Anonymous #4 7w

There is a reason pro choice people argue for set limits on legal abortions. The first trimester being the most agreed time since the fetus does not have consciousness until that time period is over. You’re bringing up a criminal who killed her children and has plead insanity. This is absurd to use as a counter argument because all of those children had consciousness and were fully formed.

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You’re saying your mother raped a man to make you?

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Anonymous #3 7w

We don’t defend them. If there’s evidence of anyone being a pedophile or committing any sort of abuse against children, they deserve jail time or the chair

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Anonymous #4 7w

Ah there it is! I knew that little red bitch was there. Maps is never going to happen because a majority of the left opposes it. Trump isn’t the only person implicated in it but he sure as hell is protecting all the other people who are. Fuck you acting like you give a fuck about children you genocide loving war supporting pile of fucking shit

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Anonymous #3 7w

My mother did. She tried to abort me but it failed. My wife wanted the abortion of our first child but immediately regretted it after speaking with someone outside of Planned Parenthood. With their help, we were able to keep our baby. Since then we’ve had another child and adopted a third. My life isn’t any less valuable because I was a failed abortion. My daughter is a failed abortion. Her life isn’t less valuable

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Anonymous #4 7w

I care enough about them to be angry when pediatric cancer research is targeted by the “pro life” community I care more about them than you when I was disgusted by states cutting meals on wheels and school lunches. Just like everything you people believe in it’s a giant hypocritical joke. I stand on basic human rights. Valuing a fully formed person more than a clump of cells. And valuing bodily autonomy.

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So your father did in fact rape your mother to make you. That’s your biological father. Yes he should be killed

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Anonymous #2 7w

So you believe because of your circumstances you have the right to control everyone else’s? Wow how fucking Christian of you. No love like your peoples hate.

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Anonymous OP 7w

Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like they got that far, and if they did, there was severe malpractice far before that. From the bits and pieces I’ve gathered, it seems that she had a sepsis workup but wasn’t admitted to ICU. Even if they had no intention of ever providing termination as an option, she should have been admitted for observation. It’s difficult to say without reading the documentation but it sounds like broad neglect

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Anonymous #3 7w

Why do you assume my religion. I am not a Christian

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Anonymous #2 7w

You’re just a whirl wind of contradictions! You’re a man who is pro life, had children that came from failed abortions, have nonsensical Christian values of fetus’s that have no consciousness or a heartbeat till 6 weeks of pregnancy, and claim to support human rights while wanting to remove the right for women to not be forced into motherhood.

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Anonymous #2 7w

I mean you wanting abortions banned is basically supporting them. The only people pushing for those policies are evangelical right wingers who are also largely responsible for helping this administration protect the Epstein class and the pedophile elite. Thomas Massie is the only one actually speaking out and trying to expose these people and is the only Republican I respect. And yes when you bring up pro life talking points they are republican talking points.

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Anonymous #2 7w

I believe someone being born under rape or incest is a tragedy for the child, the mother, and the father should be castrated or outright killed.

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Anonymous #3 7w

Just reading that, I feel like it all lines up. My “nonsensical values” would lend themselves to advocating stricter abortion regulation. My daughter, who is the product of a failed abortion would lend herself towards me being pro life. And your final statement, like before is a false dilemma. I can believe murder isn’t a human right while still maintaining belief in the rights to things like life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness

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Anonymous #2 7w

What would you push for stricter abortion regulation?

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Anonymous #3 7w

I can want stricter abortion laws and want to se child abusers convicted. They are not exclusive

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Anonymous #3 7w

Wdym? Like under what circumstances do I feel abortion should be legal?

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Anonymous #2 7w

Define stricter laws.

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Anonymous #2 7w

How would you regulate it more? You don’t want to outright ban them but you want to regulate it? Let me guess medical, and criminal cases only?

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Anonymous #2 7w

Oh my my you don’t even realize how alone you are on this! Oh buddy. The pro life people don’t want you if it’s not sweeping bans across the country for abortions. The pro choice people don’t want you because you want to regulate something that’s already regulated. You’re not welcome on either sides that you think you are. You should probably focus on you. Your kids, and your wife. And shut the fuck up.

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Anonymous #3 7w

If pregnancy poses a significant risk to the life of the mother, termination should be an option. Like in the case mentioned here. She wanted the baby. For whatever reason, she wasn’t even admitted for observation. Regardless of what the final outcome would have been, she should have been admitted. Considering the resources available in the area, it’s a very real possibility that she could have been treated and the pregnancy could have been saved, or she could have delivered and recovered

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Anonymous #3 7w

Every pro choice person I’ve ever spoken to has told me they believe in termination being a last resort only when the pregnancy poses a severe threat to the mother

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Anonymous #2 7w

*pro life person. Sorry

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Anonymous #2 7w

Unfortunately for you the definitions of human rights maintain that abortions are a human right. Just because of your particular circumstances you think legal abortions based on the mother’s choice should be illegal. “Rights for me, not for thee” You sure you’re not a republican? You’d fit RIGHT IN

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Anonymous #2 7w

It’s so funny how you think you’re being a good person by supporting anti abortion activists while you’re willing to subjugate millions of people of the opposite gender to forced motherhood just because YOU had a change of heart and an emotional experience.

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Anonymous #3 7w

My experiences informed my morals, which is what informs my stance on abortion. The way you’re presenting yourself in this comment section is seriously making me reconsider if I should give church a try or start voting more right. If someone has an opinion on something, rather than win them over or try to make them understand why they may be wrong. You assume labels to place on them and tell them they are not worthy to vote in favor of certain issues

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Anonymous #2 7w

“YOUR EXPERIENCES” that’s the key word. “YOUR” you couldn’t give a fuck less about anyone else’s or any of their circumstances that’s the difference I run my morals on what affects everyone not just me. You run yours on what affects YOU or only YOUR LOVED ONES. Forced Motherhood is a bad thing and abortion is a human right. Bodily autonomy is a human right YOU do not get to dictate what other people YOU DO NOT KNOW do with their bodies.

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Anonymous #3 7w

My experience informs my morals. They are not the only thing that determines my morals

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Anonymous #2 7w

Your experiences are yours and you should not subject the rest of society to fall in line with your experiences. You either believe in bodily autonomy or you don’t. By all means go join the cult, take your children to church subject them to the cultist hypocrites who believe in sky daddy. It’s funny how thin your actual integrity and values are. I’ve disagreed with plenty of people on the left never once have I ever considered changing my values because discourse within my own political circle.

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Anonymous #3 7w

Is the rest of the left as exclusive as you. If so, it’s definitely not something I want to be associated with. Discourse and a desire to look into things past headlines shouldn’t immediately demonize someone. If you read about it, the OB caring for her had previous issues with neglect. All I said is that if have to see specifics and you immediately assumed you knew the origin of my values among other things about me

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Anonymous #2 7w

Haha giving me that power to control whether you truly believe your “values” Is proof you never had them to begin with. I don’t give a fuck about the headline. You are anti abortion and anti human rights. I am pro choice and pro human rights you think forced motherhood is a good thing I think it leads to children who are dealt the worst hands in life. A person should have the right to decide if they want to go through with a pregnancy or not.

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Anonymous #3 7w

Obviously, like how my experiences aren’t the sole determiner in my morals, your conduct will not be the sole determiner in the way I vote. You seem to think strictly in terms of absolutes

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Anonymous #2 7w

I try not to be a flagrant hypocrite. Like you. You can’t stand for human rights and be against abortions and not be a massive hypocrite.

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Anonymous #3 7w

That belief proves you think in absolutes. It’s a dangerous way to approach any social, political, or moral issue. That said, have a good day, I’ve got to work

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