
Yes, Zionism which formed in the late 19th century is 1000% a result of the Holocaust… dude no, the Holocaust is not used to “justify” anything. In fact, Zionism has little to do with it at all since Zionism has to do with the state of Israel existing and little to do with the crimes of a bad, far right government.
That’s not what a Zionist is. You can google what a Zionist is. ISRAEL as a government IS killing CERTAIN Palestinians to secure a SAFER country. I know you’ve heard “October 7” a bunch of times but I think you haven’t really looked into what October 7 REALLY was. I encourage you to do so.
But casualty rates r far lower than if Israel didn’t painstakingly move civilians whenever possible. Israel also is doing a terrible job at eradicating Palestine given its relationship w the PA. The issue here is far more complex. There is no benefit to saying ignorant statements like that. I’m not arguing that there are some fascists in Israel who might actually want that. But there are insane ppl absolutely everywhere. And Israel’s government, itself, despite what I said in their defensive
So i am literally a zionist and yes it was named the idf specifically to defend itself against literally many arab states that attacked unprovoked for the sole cause of murdering jews. it is so much more nuanced than you will understand and i doubt that you have sat down with someone who has actually lived through years of war to hear their experiences and opinions
do you know that genocide has a real definition? not just some word you can throw around? there is a difference between understanding that the palestinian and israeli experience is deeply sad and that the entire situation is flawed and just throwing around buzzwords to cover up for hating “zionists” which was quite literally soviet propaganda after the holocaust because hating jews was a no no :)
חבר שלי, think about the fact that you’re saying “well, teeechnicalky it’s not genocide…” Is that what you want to be doing? And you’re using the “we want to avoid more holocaust but this time from Arabs” argument. People are pissed at israel because of imperialism and chasing oil interests to share with daddy USA. It’s all corrupt, it’s shameful to both Israeli people and Americans, and it needs to be condemned.
I am a Zionist. And I’ve spoken to hundreds. I’ve spoken to extreme ones and I’ve spoken to liberal ones. I am telling you the general consensus. And no one is saying the only victims r Hamas. Ppl r saying the only INTENDED victims r Hamas. Hence the civilian death rate actually being relatively low for city warfare. Still, too high. Most Zionists will agree with that.