Anonymous #1 6d

What hill are you dying on? He was an immigrant.

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Anonymous #4 6d

There is no “true” republican. They are Republican, and if there is an ideological split they should vote competing primary nominees. Shake it up a little.

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Anonymous #1 6d

What are the key differences that make this a false equivalence then? One could argue that Jesus was an immigrant to earth as a whole and was deported when he was crucified

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Anonymous #1 6d

look at you using big words you clearly don't understand!

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Anonymous #6 6d

liberals don't tend to use religion to justify their political opinions. they're not claiming to be "true christians", republicans however, are

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Anonymous #6 6d

are you just refusing to understand the point or are you incapable of critically thinking

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Anonymous #8 6d

I don’t think I’ve heard Trump stand up there and say he’s Christian. And also, how do you define “true Christian”?

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Anonymous #6 6d

Trump has specifically mobilized churches to vote Republican. Do not back out now when he’s an exposed pedophile. Take accountability and humility.

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Anonymous #6 6d

Trump was raised Presbyterian and publicly identified with this faith for much of his life. 2020, he stated he no longer identified as Presbyterian and considered himself a nondenominational Christian. He has praised the Bible, keeps Bibles, and has quoted scripture

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Anonymous #6 6d

I bet you haven’t even read the Bible with your lack of literacy skills

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Anonymous #6 6d

trump does claim to be a christian...

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Anonymous #6 6d

1. Trump cannot throw rocks because he have sinned many times. A true Christian loves their neighbor regardless of skin color, sexuality and religion. 2 A true Christian wouldn’t be tearing families apart and then getting on the internet posting it with the caption “ It’s ICE SEASON.” A true Christian would not use wealth to destroy other ppl lives. They would not use wealth as a status symbol. A true Christian follows Jesus leadership style. Kindness, forgiveness, faith and love.

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Anonymous #6 6d

The bible also states that those are wealthy should use their wealth to help the needy. To also use their resources and extend the gospel. Also True Christian don’t worship materialism. Wealth is the root of the evil which the bible states. Also true Christian don’t worship human flesh. They don’t get on stage and bash other ppl knowing they have done wrong themselves.

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Anonymous #8 6d

Also the bible states that when two or more are gathered together things start to happen. Things start to break. That is why trumps “empire.” Is about to break. You don’t get to do wrong and think you won’t pay for it. Many of Americans are true Christians. They’re all over the world. So their prayers and their praise are going to shift this country. You don’t see it but you will feel it. Trump and any other person that follows him will pay. Anyone who disrespects God will pay simple

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Anonymous #5 6d

By ‘true Republican,’ I mean someone who upheld traditional conservative principles like respect for institutions, fiscal responsibility, and democratic norms. In my opinion, McCain did that far more consistently than Trump or MAGA.

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Anonymous #5 6d

I’m not sure how you’re connecting the Bible and immigration papers. And then you’re accusing me of”lack of literacy” which has nothing to do with the conversation. I refuse to engage in conversation with someone who is more focused on trying to be better than someone else. You can’t even define what a real Christian is.

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Anonymous OP 6d

Who says trump is a good example? None of you guys really understand what a Christian is. Good grief. You really are leftists.

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Anonymous #6 6d

he literally put his hand on the bible when he was inaugurated ofc he’s christian 😭

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Anonymous #9 6d

The man refers to himself as the the chosen one

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Anonymous #4 6d

imagine respecting institutions lol

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Anonymous OP 6d

right ? bro istg trump supporters are some of the dumbest people ever no wonder everyone sees the usa as a joke 💔

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Anonymous #10 6d

But that’s my point though lol, Trump has absolutely drained the Republican of any morals or characters it had

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Anonymous #4 6d

brother I hate to be the one to tell you this but between them, the last two republican presidents before trump killed something like 3-4 million innocent people, and more if you add in Obama’s prodigious body count. they didn’t have any morals or character to begin with.

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Anonymous #10 6d

You guys like to say things without the facts. Obama deported people with due process they were criminals, and charges had been filed and proven against them. This includes both of Obama’s terms as president. Trump, on the other hand, has deported people without due process and without charges being filed. He has literally deported U.S. citizens people born here simply because they were assumed to be immigrants.

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Anonymous #9 6d

You can’t tell them nothing because they think they know everything. They just talk to hear themselves talk they don’t do any kind of research. Like Charlie Kirk they literally called that man Jesus because of how he died. 😐

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Anonymous #6 6d

Can you?

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Anonymous OP 6d

You seem to have missed 10’s point. He’s saying republicans have always been shitty people. This has nothing to do with getting the facts wrong. You’re talking about different things.

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Anonymous #5 6d

But you can’t count Obama when Obama didn’t just deport ppl just to deport them.

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Anonymous OP 6d

yess i know it’s frustrating but we’re in this together twin 🙏 LMAOO FR THO like he’s literally just a podcaster and his wife is just as bad maybe worse by the way she preaches women be at home with their kids while she’s out here holding events/ceremonies (whatever tf they are) in arenas and not taking care of her kids 😭

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Anonymous #9 6d

Yes like they’re talking about cause she’s a diva she’s innocent. 😐😭 Babes she married him for a reasons and it’s not just looks. She knows what he’s doing. She’s okay with it because it’s bringing her income. That’s why we have to stick together because ppl are not realizing it’s the government vs the people. It’s wealthy vs poor. Idk how these ppl got brainwashed into thinking that wealthy ppl are their friends. 😐

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Anonymous OP 6d

I’m not really talking about deportation, I’m talking about shooting people and dropping bombs on them

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Anonymous #10 6d

No administration is morally clean, especially on foreign policy and immigration. But ‘no one had morals anyway’ ignores real differences in how leaders treated institutions, elections, the judiciary, and political opponents. McCain operated within those constraints; Trump openly undermines them.

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Anonymous #4 6d

you could’ve stopped with “no administration is morally clean”. I’d go a step further and say they’re deeply evil and guilty of multitudes of horrific war crimes. a few pro-democracy actions doesn’t change that.

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Anonymous #11 6d

Funnier when fake Christians worship a false prophet then finding out he’s a bisexual pedo! I mean you knew the pedo part but Bubba Clinton! His first taste of power! Must be why Grindr crashes at every MAGA gathering 😭😂😱

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Anonymous #6 6d

Republicans are killing children every day, take away their healthcare, food ya blood on their hands and Jesus isn’t impressed

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Anonymous #5 6d

His daddy said he’s one and he knows because he kisses him on the mouth

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Anonymous #2 6d

You support abortion. Millions a year die from it. And?

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Anonymous OP 6d

Jesus NEVER left the roman empire it is closer to another state not a new country. NEH 2:17 “You see the trouble we are in, how Jerusalem lies in ruins with its gates burned. Come, let us build the wall of Jerusalem, that we may no longer suffer derision.” Romans 13:1 says “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities.” I hate ICE but obey the law of the land and come legally. Heaven has a gate and a strict immigration policy, hell has open borders. Hope this helps.

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Anonymous #7 6d

Jesus never left the roman empire lol it’s like state to state so yes its a false equivalency. Romans 13:1 says to respect the law of the land and the governing authorities, God bless.

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Anonymous #12 6d

The level of cope is off the charts

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Anonymous #12 6d

Ong you commented this TWICE. The copeeeeee

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Anonymous #13 6d

No actual response because you dont know history or scripture 😭😭

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Anonymous #13 6d

You typed 2 nothing burger responses😭😭

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Anonymous #12 6d

Yea cuz bc you’re clearly full of it lol

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Anonymous #12 6d

Judea was a client kingdom under Herod the Great, not yet a direct Roman province. Crossing into Egypt, which was a direct province of the Emperor, meant crossing a recognized international boundary. Theologically, it also makes more sense that he is an immigrant. He is described as a “foreigner” or “stranger” (Greek word, Xenos) and Matthew explicitly uses the word pheuge (flee), the root word of refugee.

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Anonymous #13 6d

Seems like you’re the one coping if you want things to change and are using religion as an argument but cant back it up😭

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Anonymous #12 6d

Treating this as a “state” to “state” like moving from New York to Florida is literally a false equivalency. I’d say more than calling him an immigrant. You are such an idiot.

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Anonymous #12 6d

I’m not arguing with you lol, Jesus’s refugee status has no bearing on my view of immigration. I just think it’s funny how hard ur trying to push a silly argument

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Anonymous #5 6d

No one is denying he was a refugee but calling it a internationally recognized boundry in a time without proper citizenship law, border control, or asylum laws using it as an open border argument is crazy and no I dont think calling it similar to state to state is as wrong as considering him an immigrant in modern meaning

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Anonymous #13 6d

Debating theology helps me sort out my thoughts I would debate anything that I see differently because I can always be wrong

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Anonymous #12 6d

He fled political persecution (Herod’s decree) to a territory where Herod had no power.

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Anonymous #12 6d

Saying he’s not an immigrant but is a refugee is moving the goalpost, arguing over semantics and a bad faith argument.

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Anonymous #5 6d

You know exactly what OPs goals are when he calls Jesus an immigrant. You’re forgetting this is originally a critique on MAGA’s inconsistent morals. Does that critique fail whether he was an immigrant or refugee

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Anonymous #5 6d

Hate maga but immigrants and refugees arent the same thing and framing it in a way that says we should have open borders with no need for papers because Jesus was able to move between roman territories is not a proper argument for modern day immigration from country to country as almost all countries now have well controlled borders and immigration laws due to the earths population being at least 20x what it was when he walked the earth so I do think it is a hefty false equivalency.

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Anonymous #5 6d

State to state probably wasn’t a great way to put it into modern perspective though I will concede

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Anonymous #12 6d

So again you’re proving my point I know I’m a little late to this argument here but you’re proving my point you claim to love Jesus and that you are a Christian, but you will not follow in his practice. How can you claim to follow Jesus when you’re the same person who’s going to mistreat him and deny him access to a country which one does not belong to anyone it was stolen. Let’s start there.

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Anonymous #12 6d

I admire how willing you are to die on this hill having been totally debunked lmao

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Anonymous OP 5d

Paul wrote to timothy that protecting your family/community is a priority so when people rightfully complain 24/7 about the problems and violence plaguing our country that we currently are unable to control it is insane to say that we should let everyone in without the safety measures that keep us safe. Paul also said in romans to respect the laws. You all talk about Jesus as if he didn’t obey civil laws or show respect to the land he was in. literally told his followers to obey the law LMFAO

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Anonymous #13 5d

U jus a spectator with nothing to say atleast these people are backing up their arguments 😭😭

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Anonymous #12 5d

So you’re twisting the Bible to fit your narrative? Y’all have literally broken every commandment and every law. Let’s not be hypocritical.

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Anonymous #12 5d

And I can tell you do not read the Bible, because the Bible literally states in Matthew about hypocrisy you look righteous on the outside, but on the inside you are dead and washed up. Just like the Bible says, you MAGA people pretend to be righteous on the outside, but on the inside you’re just as hateful and evil. You do not live what you preach.

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Anonymous #12 5d

You guys are hypocrites. You say “Oh, we love Jesus, we love everyone” but then turn around and say “We only love you if you fit a certain standard if you look a certain way and have papers.” You claim to love Jesus and follow his word, yet you turn around and disrespect it. You twist his word, and you guys are the very people who would betray him if he came to America, because he would actually be an immigrant.

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Anonymous #12 5d

Go back to church. Pick up an actual Bible. Read the entire Bible, and when you do, maybe just maybe we can have a conversation. But I can’t preach to a brick wall, because that same brick wall only hears what it wants to hear. Right now, I’m preaching and singing to a choir that only knows one tune. You are not a Christian you are a hypocrite just looking for a word to back up your messed up views. When in reality it doesn’t back you up it calls you out.

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Anonymous OP 5d

LMFAOO What are you talking about 😭😭”yall have literally broken every commandment and every law” Im not even republican uou just cant fathom someone on the left not agreeing with every single thing weve been told to support. Yes matthew talks about hypocrisy, you talk about how we live on stolen land but wont give your house and property back and leave will you? Go live in Antarctica probably the only place where the land wouldnt have been “stolen” from someone

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Anonymous #12 5d

So not only do you need to go back to church? You need to go back to fifth grade history oh, but I forgot that they don’t teach this kind of stuff in school. You know they only teach the “white washed version” of it.

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Anonymous OP 5d

I was at my churches service today and yesterday sorry that I dont go to whatever protestant parish you go to that doesn’t agree with early church fathers

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Anonymous OP 5d

😭😭😭😭😭😭 get a grip

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Anonymous #12 5d

I’m not a spectator, I’m a heckler who spotted a dumbass to troll lol

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Anonymous #13 5d

😭😭u r like my little chihuahua that just follows me around just making noise❤️

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Anonymous #12 5d

Omg full circle moment? If you embrace me as a hateful chihuahua I’ll keep yapping shit like, “You’re selectively interprets the Bible to justify a narrow minded political ideology”

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Anonymous #13 5d

Interpreting*

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Anonymous #13 5d

😭😭😭 im gonna frame your comments and put them on my wall above my toilet. “Lets let everyone into the country surely nothing bad will happen” 😭😭😭😭😭😭

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Anonymous #12 5d

You really think ppl who want to come to the US really want to commit crimes? They just want to provide a better life for their family. Like US citizens are committing more crimes than anyone. And even then the crime rates about to sky rocket because ppl are surviving Let's bfr

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Anonymous #12 5d

You’ve fallen so much from the beginning, pretending to be a debate bro. Lowkey pathetic.

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Anonymous #5 5d

It’s almost like using their religion to obscure their irrational fear of brown people is really obvious

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Anonymous #12 5d

Keep smokin the copium 😭

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Anonymous #12 5d

>Grip on reality >All other denominations are not reality >My religion that branched from the Canaanite pantheon is reality

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Anonymous #12 5d

Christian here :) Exodus 22:21 “do not mistreat or oppress a foreigner, for you were foreigners in egypt.” (Deuterotomy 10:19 is a very similar message) Hebrews 13:2 “do not forget to show hospitality to strangers”. Mark 12:33 “love your neighbor as yourself”. Galatians 5:13 “do not use your freedom as an opportunity for self indulgence”. Matthew 25:40-25:45 is another good one to look at as well. God bless!

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Anonymous #5 5d

No he wasn’t he was a refugee and stayed within the Roman boarders, ancient political boundaries differed back the. He was “internally displaced”. I’m republican and Christian not a fan of trump though just wanted to mention that.

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Anonymous #15 5d

Now that’s just factually false. Jesus was a refugee

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Anonymous #5 5d

Technically it’s not false because he fled to Egypt, which at the time was still under Roman control. That being said, the Holy Family fled from Bethlehem to Egypt to escape King Herod's threat, fitting the basic definition of seeking refuge or asylum from violence. The Gospel of Matthew explicitly describes this flight, with an angel warning Joseph to flee to Egypt for the child's safety

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Anonymous #3 5d

Did they demand welfare from the pharaoh and start raping the children?

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Anonymous #11 5d

that js doesn’t have anything to do with the implication of Jesus being an immigrant. Stop ragebaiting and pick up the bible.

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Anonymous #3 5d

Jesus was a carpenter. Should we exempt carpenters from building codes because of that? Your whole point is an emotionally manipulative non sequitur.

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Anonymous #3 4d

Yo so. You clearly don’t know your Bible and refuse to do any research. He was a refugee whether you like it or not. We’re not arguing whether or not the truth is true.

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Anonymous #5 4d

well im agreeing with OP here so I don’t appreciate the tone. That being said, YOU need to do some research about the geological locations of everything that happened in the bible.

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