Anonymous #6 16h

Women die at war as well?

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Anonymous #7 15h

All throughout history?

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Anonymous #7 15h

Do women get drafted?

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Anonymous #5 15h

Just down voting instead of giving me one is proving you’re the problem

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Anonymous #7 15h

Usually in better conditions I rather die at home than a guy finding me shitting and throwing a grenade up my ahh

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Anonymous #5 15h

No, but they are fundamentally valued less under the patriarchy. Men and women are both hurt though, men are made to think simultaneously that they are entitled to women and to success along with being made disposable sources of labor and soldiers. Women are thought of as weaker and therefore aren’t put in those particular types of violent and dangerous positions, but they’re also made to think they are only as valuable as their ability to appeal to men and bear children. Additionally, this-

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Anonymous #10 15h

-stance that women are weaker is fundamentally rooted in a desire to control women. If they think they’re only capable of rearing children and homemaking, they’re less likely to resist the systems in place against them. Basically what I’m trying to say is that the patriarchy hurts everyone. However, women are hurt more. Men’s pain is valid and needs to be seriously addressed more, but women’s pain and oppression goes deeper

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Anonymous #10 15h

Maybe but biologically they are weaker

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Anonymous #9 14h

What relevance does that have? Women are perfectly capable of being trained to be combat ready. Other than that, physical strength has no bearing on their value

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Anonymous #10 14h

Are women hurt more when they do the oil rigging, underwater welding, electrical line work, sewage, firefighting, police work, and more? Oh that’s right those jobs have a majority of men in them

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Anonymous #10 14h

Yes women can be combat trained but in terms of war wouldn’t you want to use the best kind of soldier you can? The strongest? The fastest?

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Anonymous #6 14h

Men are in those fields more than women because it’s been made hostile for women??

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Anonymous #6 14h

We’re not talking about the marines, we’re talking about the military in general. They don’t need people at the peak level of fitness, they need them just fit and obedient enough to be capable of carrying out orders

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Anonymous #5 14h

81% women have been a victim of sexual assault whereas 43% of men have. Women have had the right to vote for just over a century. Women have been able to have an independent bank account for just over half a decade. It’s a real risk that a woman turning down a man could result in her being assaulted or even killed, this risk is not present for men, at least not anywhere even remotely close to how it is for women. I could keep going

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Anonymous #10 14h

*for just over half a century

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Anonymous #10 14h

That is the biggest load of crap haha it’s because women don’t want to do those jobs! The top 10 jobs for women have not changed for over 50 years.

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Anonymous #10 14h

I’m not talking about marines either. I’m talking about from a purely warfare way of thinking to have the best chance at victory you would think to use the strongest and the fastest

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Anonymous #11 14h

Plus men don’t have the opportunity to just marry rich and have a side business

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Anonymous #6 14h

Yes, they don’t want to because of the men there. Misogyny goes unchecked and festers in those workplaces, of course a woman wouldn’t want to work somewhere where she’s more likely to be sexually harassed daily, sexually assaulted, and just not looked at as equal for no valid reason.

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Anonymous #10 14h

Love how don’t even acknowledge the fact that it’s work women don’t want to do. So let’s say in a hypothetical scenario, oil rigging for example, there’s one that is only allowed to hire women. Can you say with absolute certainty that women would apply and would be able to do that job for a significant amount of time?

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Anonymous #6 14h

Men are not always the strongest and fastest. There are many women that are just stronger than men even though it’s not the norm statistically, even without training. And regardless, not every man is suitable for the military, regardless of their testosterone, they’re not automatically “the best” soldiers

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Anonymous #9 14h

Like it’s not even an insult it’s just biological fact

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Anonymous #6 13h

Initially, probably not. The patriarchy has a real influence in making many women never even consider those types of jobs because they think they can’t, which then leads to many going down different paths that they end up liking. For the rest, that hostile, misogynistic environment does the rest at making most women hesitate or quit early. Once there’s been time for it to be normalized in this hypothetical scenario, absolutely plenty of women would join. Dangerous jobs like that pay-

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Anonymous #10 13h

My bad. On average men are typically the strongest and the fastest. Also no rebuttal for my last point?

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Anonymous #10 13h

-exceptionally well due to how dangerous they are, if they think they can do it, they haven’t discarded the possibility early, and are willing to take the risk, why not?

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Anonymous #6 13h

Your best chance at victory is enlisting people who can become good soldiers. Olympians are at peak physical fitness, but they would not all make good soldiers. Statistical biological advantage has little relevance

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Anonymous #10 13h

I literally said in this hypothetical scenario it would be an only female oil rig. Literally everyone. Only women. How does it somehow still come back to it being the patriarchy and men. It would literally be only women

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Anonymous #6 13h

The patriarchy affects women even before they’re born (people being disappointed they’ll be having a girl instead of a boy or even getting them aborted sometimes just for being a girl), why do you think it wouldn’t affect this hypothetical oil rig scenario? You said the oil rig would only hire women, not that it would eliminate the patriarchy and all of the negative effects it’s had

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Anonymous #10 13h

I’m talking like baseball throughout history. No Olympics yet. Nothing like that. Just like Roman Empire for example.

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Anonymous #6 13h

I’m sorry, we have two different but related conversations going on, what is this in response to?

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Anonymous #10 13h

Sorry autocorrect. Meant base standard warfare

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Anonymous #10 13h

Just cause I’m curious and it will help me. Can you give me 2 criticisms of women? Without it wrapping back to patriarchy or men’s fault

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Anonymous #6 13h

I think you misunderstood me, my point in bringing up olympians and how they wouldn’t all make good soldiers was to say that physical fitness is not the only factor in making a good soldier

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Anonymous #6 13h

I can’t because women aren’t a hive mind

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Anonymous #10 13h

To clarify, because women aren’t a hive mind, I can’t make a criticism towards all women. Every woman is an individual and so I can’t make a generalized criticism towards all women, just like I can’t make a generalized criticism towards all men. I can criticize the systems in place that benefit different groups though

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Anonymous #10 13h

Yep ok so that answers what I was thinking. There’s no point in continuing. You’re most likely a misandrist

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Anonymous #6 13h

Why do you think I’m a misandrist?

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Anonymous #10 13h

To be clear, I’m not. I used to have some internalized misandry that I had to work through in order to realize I’m a trans guy. Misandry does nothing but sow further hatred and division between men and women

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Anonymous #10 13h

It comes from a valid place of an oppressed group fighting against their oppressors, but it’s purely destructive

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Anonymous #10 13h

You can’t even give a criticism about your own sex. Yes every woman, man, person in general are not a hive mind and are unique. I can still give criticism of my own sex. Easily can think of some. You can’t even name one. And if you did it would still somehow wrap back to men or the patriarchy. Women are infallible apparently. So there’s no point. Have a good day

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Anonymous #6 13h

What’s your criticism of men? We might be misunderstanding each other

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Anonymous #10 13h

Nope I’m good already said have a good day

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Anonymous #6 13h

The one time I genuinely try to have a conversation with one of these fuckers

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Anonymous #10 12h

Point proven

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Anonymous #10 12h

Also since I wasn’t able to respond to my own comment for some reason, this was the point in the conversation I posted this

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Anonymous #5 12h

yeah i came across a post with several people sharing their experiences having been sexually harassed and even brutalized by boys when they were younger, which is in and of itself awful, but what made it more horrific were the adults in their lives not believing them when they reported what was happening, or doing little to nothing about it upon finding out

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Anonymous OP 12h

not only is the experience in and of itself violating but it teaches/reinforces to girls and women that when things happen to them, they won’t be believed, or nothing will be done about it, the perpetrator won’t be held accountable. that in some cases they’ll be the ones to face consequences, rather than the person who assaulted them in the first place

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Anonymous OP 12h

this is one particular example but absolutely i could give you many more ways we mistreat women in this world.

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Anonymous #5 12h

i mean lowkey unless you live under a rock idk how something like epstein isn’t an immediate example that comes to mind. people are downvoting because your question appears disingenuous given how well known some of this stuff is really

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Anonymous #9 12h

? who’s stopping them

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Anonymous #6 12h

those same men often brutally rape and kill the women at the places they’re sent to.

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Anonymous OP 12h

All of them? Interesting didn’t know

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Anonymous #6 12h

oh okay so because it’s not every single soldier raping and killing every single woman and child it’s okay. my bad og i didn’t think of that

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Anonymous OP 12h

i mean by your logic i should just disregard your point entirely because it’s definitely not every man being drafted to war and sent to die and certainly not all of them are dying

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Anonymous OP 12h

The draft hasn’t even been a thing for 50 years so the whole dying in war point is kinda invalid

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Anonymous OP 12h

Again no point have a good day. Always gonna be men’s fault. Whatever

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Anonymous #2 11h

Men are required by law to sign up for the draft. Just because a draft hasn’t happened in a while doesn’t mean it’s not a thing. Use some smarts

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Anonymous #6 11h

i mean i don’t really know what you want me to say. i’m not the one trying to downplay the suffering of men YOU came here trying to make a comparison using an example that does in fact result in the suffering of both men and women, with the intent to downplay the suffering of women. so i simply set the record straight

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Anonymous OP 11h

and in this case i especially don’t know what you want me to say because is it not often times men sending other men to go rape and kill and be maimed and die in war? is it not the guise of being this ultimate patriarchal masculine figure that they use to help propagandize men into going to war in the first place?

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Anonymous OP 11h

I’m not trying to downplay any suffering I’m saying men suffer too. It’s not a competition. Seems like everything has to be a competition of well we suffered more no we suffered more

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Anonymous #6 7h

where in my original post did i say that women and girls suffer more?

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Anonymous OP 7h

i mean if you ask me i think its different types of suffering men and women experience under the same system but said system is put in place to benefit men the most and punish women, render them (and any man who doesn’t fit the mold, often because they are unmasculine/feminine) basically second clsss citizens

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Anonymous OP 7h

it’s often also men who willingly keep upholding said system and so then it becomes a bit difficult to hold a lot of sympathy for them even if i recognize they’re also suffering y’know. so even with the war example, the draft is one thing, but there are many men who perfectly willingly go to war, right?

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Anonymous OP 7h

even if i would say that they’re sort of brainwashed into it more than anything else, it is harder to feel bad for someone who willingly signs himself up for something like that, knowing full well the consequences it will bring not just to himself but to other people

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Anonymous OP 7h

but there is no woman or child in a warring nation who signs up up to be raped or killed by foreign soldiers…they just end up being considered unfortunate collateral, dehumanized entirely against their own volition just by virtue of being women and children. so even if everyone involved is suffering in some way its easier to sympathize with one party over the other y’know.

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Anonymous OP 18m

I already said I was done with one debate where it’s always the man’s fault or patriarchy I don’t want to start another one. Fine you win. Women suffer more. Men are deplorable and we should all be killed. Have a good day

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Anonymous #6 13m

This is crazy

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