Anonymous #1 14w

my point is that you should hate psychosis, abuse, and cults. people shouldn't force their beliefs on people or treat people poorly or manipulate or abuse people. religious people aren't inherently abusive or psychotic

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Anonymous OP 14w

i can dislike all of them. no, religions are not inherently abusive. but i would hope someone whos vulnerable can heal with therapy and other social services instead of being funneled towards religion

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Anonymous #1 14w

absolutely!! i don't think religion should be a substitute for therapy or anything. but you can do therapy and believe in god and be a good person. they aren't mutually exclusive

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Anonymous #2 14w

exactly!! the idea that all religious people are just brainwashed and can't critique or have complex thoughts, religious or otherwise, is just so tiring

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Anonymous #3 14w

i can totally respect not being interested in religion and being wary of it, of course! and i think we should be careful of what we let slide on the basis of religion, but i just can't get behind, like you said, the whole extremely anti-theist shit

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Anonymous OP 14w

agreed! i do feel like many religious ppl are pro therapy & trust modern medicine but there have always been religious people who have said shit like "pray the gay away" "ur not depressed u just need jesus" etc etc etc.... and a growing portion are becoming extremely anti science and anti medicine. not every religious person is like this but religion itself is sort of detached from rationality, and its very easy for already vulnerable people to slip into these beliefs

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I mean it’s still believing in something even when evidence is lacking. A lot of medical misinformation is based on wiggling its way into gaps. Plus there’s ghosts, mediums, etc.

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kinda off topic, but i dont think science can really prove religion. using science to justify religion is like already having your mind made up about what the answer is, and using very specific cherry picked facts to prove it right. i dont think thats intellectually sound.

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But the belief in insufficiently evidenced assertions based on faith alone is fairly contradictory to science as a method of understanding truths about the universe

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But if you choose to believe in something without evidence, that is a different worldview than a scientific one, and that often leads to conflict.

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Anonymous #3 14w

The basic idea of science is that evidence and experimentation is the best way to determine what is true. Believing in something not based on evidence is a different method of viewing the world than a scientific one.

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yes someone can have faith and reason. but there are many instances of religion being in direct conflict with science. sure, the two can coexist in one's mind. but without cognitive dissonance imo

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