Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

If you’re (understandably) frustrated or annoyed or disgusted over the behavior

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Yes, but why wouldn’t you trust a complete stranger to use their own best judgement as an adult and take ownership of what they are choosing to wear? The issue is those individuals who act as if we are not justified in being disgusted by objectifying comments and actions. Of course women understand what will likely happen when we wear certain outfits, but the way we choose to express ourselves shouldn’t change whether we are perceived as humans or objects.

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Anonymous OP 4w

I agree but we don’t live in a perfect world lol. It’s asinine to trust strangers to use their best judgment one because most people are dumb as fuck and two because nobody should ever be that naive. In a perfect world nothing bad would happen but we live in a far from perfect world and because of that it’s up to you for your own wellbeing and safety to do what you must to be as a safe as possible. In a perfect world we wouldn’t need seat belts but guess what? We still wear them each and

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Every day. Of course you’re allowed to wear whatever you want, regardless of how revealing and scandalous it is but if you constantly complain about people’s reactions to it then that’s at some point on you, unfortunately. You can’t control what other people do, you can only control what you do.

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Your analogies have absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. People are not animals. We have the ability to change our behavior and reactions. I’m not saying I trust strangers with the ability to use their best judgement, I’m saying that you should trust that women have the ability to decide when it is appropriate to wear the clothes we want to wear. I’m not walking into drug-infested neighborhoods or mental hospitals wearing provocative clothing.

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Im simply asking sane men to control their behavior.

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Because he’s assuming that when a woman chooses not to dress conservatively, they are automatically throwing all caution to the wind and have no idea how to use street smarts or protect themselves. He is assuming that women have no judgement and that we are incapable of being discerning.

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Nah

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Anonymous OP 4w

We quite literally are animals. We are mammals with higher consciousness.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Sane men do control their behavior. It’s not the same ones you have to worry about and that’s my entire point.

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Anonymous OP 4w

That’s literally not what I’m saying at all lol. I’m saying that at some point if you’re continually frustrated every time you go out that then maybe you should take it upon yourself to make some probably necessary changes

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Our ability to control our behavior separates us from other animals. You’re intentionally missing my point. And you’re absolutely wrong. Many average sane men do not control their behaviors and objectify women constantly. Genuinely mentally unwell people are always a factor you have to account for, and I will take those precautions. However, they can be avoided in the vast majority of everyday circumstances.

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

The root of the issue here is that you’re blaming women when they are preyed upon. That’s not addressing the problem. That’s failing to hold people accountable for their actions. If you want to sit here and pretend like every man who behaves inappropriately towards a woman is verifiably insane, then we have nothing more to discuss.

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Anonymous OP 4w

It separates us in many ways but we are still animals and still have animalistic instincts and tendencies. No actual sane man is out of control of their objectifying behavior. Those men simply aren’t as sane as you seem to think they are. So see we agree with each other lol not sure why you’re arguing

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Anonymous OP 4w

I’m not blaming women at all. I literally said in my first comment you’re allowed to wear whatever you want whenever you want and you should be able to but accountability does go both ways

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Talking to you #2 is my hobby

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Okay but this is the issue right here. The fact that you think that if something bad happens to me, I may also be partially responsible based on what I’m wearing. If I go to a concert or a club and I take every precaution: traveling in a group, getting a ride directly to the venue, carrying pepper spray, I might still be held responsible for being preyed upon because I wasn’t wearing something conservative.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Look I understand your frustration and I share it. You should be able to wear whatever you want. I’m not saying you’re responsible for what others do because as I said before you can’t control what others do. Dumb fucks are gonna be dumb fucks and you can completely mitigate their savagery for taking responsibility for what you do. I’m not saying you should do that but I am saying it’s an option if you find yourself in disparate situations often

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

I do understand these things. My point still stands and women should not be held accountable. You need to understand that the language you use suggests that there’s a certain standard we have to reach to be “qualified” to be the innocent party in an incident. This language is rooted in shifting the blame onto women, and it makes men feel justified in their behavior. It’s part of the problem.

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Anonymous OP 4w

I’m not blaming women bro how many times do I have to say it 🥲 I’m saying that people are responsible for their own actions too. I’m not saying it’s your fault if you ultimately get graped. Of course it isn’t because people can be graped regardless of what they’re wearing. It is your responsibility to not put yourself in precarious situations since we unfortunately live in a world where harmony and peace aren’t a universal thing

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Okay, I see that you really feel like you’re not coming across as blaming women, but do you see how it seems that way? “Avoiding precarious situations”… how do you suggest I do that? Never go to concerts or have fun? Never leave my house? It’s a double standard. It’s like saying that choosing to go anywhere means that I forfeited my safety.

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

I just want you to try to understand how that sounds from my perspective.

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

ok r*pist

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

ok r*pist

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Anonymous OP 4w

I mean you kinda do forfeit your safety. Everyone does, men & women alike. Anything can happen when you’re out & about. It’s just the reality of the world we live in. I don’t need to be on the road at night during the new year but if I am I know I’m putting myself at risk because of what I chose to do. That doesn’t make the potential accident caused by a drunk driver my inherent fault, but I knew the risks. We’ve already discussed this. You’re allowed to say what you want and call out what you

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Want but at the end of the day your actions and choices have consequences just like every other persons actions and consequences. Consequence ≠ blame and I think that may be where you’re having a hard time understanding

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

ok r*pist

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Anonymous #4 4w

Yayyy I’m part of the chain now!

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

“It is not a woman’s fault if she gets r*ped but it is her responsibility to leave her ass at home”

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Anonymous #5 4w

Never said that

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

It’s not my responsibility to explain this to you but I just want you to try to understand how it’s different. Responsible safety for you = not driving on a dangerous night while responsible safety for me = never going out or having fun? Just think about it.

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Well this was supposed to be in response to #5 but I ain’t deleting and typing it all out again lol

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Then what specific choices are you saying have consequences here? What “precarious situations?”

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Anonymous OP 4w

I never told you not to go out and have fun.

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Anonymous #5 4w

It’s up above, champ

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Anonymous #5 4w

no literally ^

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

right because it’s implied my bad 😂

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Idk dude your concept of consequence sounds kinda one and the same as blame

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Anonymous #5 4w

Nah because blame is inherently emotive. Acknowledging consequences is not emotive, it’s just reality.

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

🫩

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Your explanation for reality is clearly emotive. It’s not a woman’s fault if you can’t keep yourself from being a pervert. SA is never a consequence of choice of dress.

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Anonymous #4 4w

I am not mad nor am I happy when acknowledging that actions have consequences. It’s just the reality. In order to put the blame on someone, you have to have an emotive feeling that they are inherently wrong or incorrect, which as I’ve said, is not the case with people choosing to wear what they want to wear. The action of choosing your clothes can unfortunately have negative consequences. That’s a reality. That does not mean I blame them for it, however.

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

That’s literally not what you said earlier

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Anonymous #5 4w

The person choosing to wear a dress is not at fault. The weird grapist is 100% at fault. Why did he choose the person in the scandalous or provocative dress though? Because it’s the reality of the fucked up world we live in. We can absolutely do our best to change it but we live in the here and now so wearing that dress is unfortunately a consequence if that occurs

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Doesn’t mean that girl is at fault. It’s just a consequence of

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Anonymous #4 4w

It is though (:

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Do you understand what bias is? It’s when you allow prejudice or emotions to form unfair judgements. Just because you’re not having an emotional marathon as you type this doesn’t mean your idea isn’t coming from an emotional, illogical place. Your notion of this “reality” that choice of clothing can have negative consequences is based on your warped moral compass. A creep will be inclined to be a creep no matter what. Another person overstepping boundaries is not a consequence of choice of dress

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Anonymous #5 4w

Anything and everything can have negative consequences, yes? All actions have consequences. Some are positive and some are negative. You can always take more actions and precautions to mitigate the potentially negative consequences. That’s literally all I’m saying lol

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Yes that parts quite obvious 😭

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

Yes, we know. SA is not a consequence to the action you are talking about. R*pists aren’t like Bruce the shark from Finding Nemo where cleavage turns them into hungry predators like the scent of blood. They’ve already made up their mind about what they’re going to do, even if they may not realize it. Whether they stalk their victims or are already friends with them, a girl’s choice of dress isn’t what made them decide to commit SA. Stop arguing in bad faith.

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Anonymous #5 4w

Never said it was what made them magically go “yahoo I’m gonna SA someone tonight”. But if they’re on the hunt so to speak and see someone that appears to be “easy” then yeah that’s tough. That’s not me saying you’re never allowed to wear anything other than a nuns outfit. It’s just acknowledging the reality of the world we live in and all I urge is for everyone to be more cautious these days. For some people that caution might be to simply not go out, that’s their choice. For others it may be

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

To go out strapped up and pop the ass of the ReRe that wanted to SA them. For others it may be to dress a little less provocatively as to not draw unwanted attention. There’s plenty of actions that can be taken but I was simply responding to the specific scenario OP postulated

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

You’re deliberately trying to make this as difficult as possible when there’s nothing to argue about if you’re an advocate for self expression

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Anonymous OP 4w

I’m not the one that’s continuing to respond when we all agree lol. You’re all continuing to argue simply because I see the situation with the nuances that it has. We’re all on the same team

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

I don’t think that happens like you’re saying it does though. “Easy” can mean anything. To say that SA is a consequence to a provocative choice of dress is disingenuous. If you dress as a nun and get SA’d by a guy who happens to have a nun fetish, is that a consequence to dressing like a nun? Or is it an outlier?

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

You are always the one who continues to respond. You continue to respond to every single post on this entire app

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Anonymous #5 4w

It’s a consequence of dressing as a nun since he has a weird nun fetish. All actions and choices have consequences. That’s it. That’s the point. To say that dressing provocatively isn’t a consequence is disingenuous. I already said to Op somewhere else on this post that a grapist is going to grape regardless, right? If you’re worried about that, take the necessary precautions to not stoke the flame then. Don’t add fuel to the fire that you have no control over.

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

You can acknowledge that things are going to happen no matter what while still acknowledging that you can do things that will potentially either enhance the likelihood of said action occurring or mitigate the likelihood of said action occurring. The very fact that we and so many others have had a debate over this just shows that there is merit to the line of thinking. If dressing provocatively didn’t have any negative consequences whatsoever, nobody would be talking about it.

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Anonymous OP 4w

I don’t want people to feel alone and like nobody is listening to them

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Anonymous #6 4w

Just say you’re an SA apologist, fůckhead

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Anonymous #9 4w

That’s way too big of a leap just cuz you don’t agree 😂😂

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Anonymous littlepenis3.1 4w

It’s so funny how people like you act like all the SAs that happen are of women in tight skirts walking down the wrong alley Like dude. A high amount of them are by partners, family, and people they know. Another huge chunk is regular people who got drugged or taken advantage of while intoxicated. It has nothing to do with clothes.

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Anonymous #8 4w

You called it a deranged worldview that an SA victim isn’t to blame for what they wear. You’re saying I’m making a leap? Sit tf down, sh!thead.

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Anonymous #9 4w

I can tell you didn’t read everything I’ve said because I’ve said multiple times now that anyone at any time wearing anything can become a victim of SA

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Ofc you dont have to say it, but you basically already have. Figured it’d be easier if you just came right out with it.

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Anonymous #9 4w

That's not what I said, of course someone like you twists words since that's the only method by which you can win an argument (also #6 and #8 are two different people)

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Anonymous #9 4w

Moving the goal posts does nothing to me. I've been through all this nonsense before.

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Anonymous #6 4w

😔 I’m gonna regret asking but what about my worldview is derranged based on what I said in my post

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Anonymous #6 4w

You’re just a textbook narcissist and you’re also got literacy problems lol

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Anonymous #6 4w

Also I thought it went without saying but the laws of human decency are just that… behaving in a decent way towards another human being regardless of what they look like

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