Anonymous #1 8w

Women objectify themselves all the time but when a man does it it’s suddenly a problem? As long as they’re consenting adults who aren’t being exploited and who are being compensated for their efforts then it’s fine. Sex work is real work. Get off your high horse.

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Anonymous #1 8w

It’s not about objectification. Take prostitution for example. Those women are owned by men, who use them like they’re a way to make profit, by keeping them poor and on drugs, they have no option but to sell their bodies. OnlyFans is a little different but still

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Anonymous OP 8w

You’re talking about pimps. Not all prostitutes have pimps. In fact, in jurisdictions where prostitution is either legal or decriminalized, that’s far less common than it is here in the states. Examples include the brothels in Amsterdam, the sex clubs in Germany, and the soaplands in Japan.

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Anonymous #1 8w

Moreover, “keeping them poor and addicted to drugs” would obviously fall into the category of them being exploited. I specifically said as long as they’re consenting adults who AREN’T being exploited (I.e. doing it of their own free will to make money).

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Anonymous #2 8w

I don’t disagree with that either. I think sex work was created on a foundation of misogyny and a system rooted in that cannot benefit women in the same way it benefits men

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Anonymous OP 8w

Seems mutually-beneficial when men get pleasure and women get money.

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Anonymous #1 8w

Yes I agree with you but to that point, it’s rooted in misogyny. The only exception would probably be OnlyFans, but again, sex work as a whole allows women to become objects to use, rather than people with skills. I think the system as a whole is anti-feminist. Similar to the prison system contributing to systemic racism. By keeping people in positions where they have no option but to objectify themselves, it limits their ability to grow!

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Anonymous OP 8w

legal sex work is different. when it’s legal at least you can have protections and go to the police when violence is committed against you. when it’s criminalized that’s when things get really bad for the women

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Anonymous #1 8w

work is not mutually beneficial under capitalism. it’s survival

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Anonymous OP 8w

sex is a skill. people shouldn’t be forced to use that skill to feed themselves.

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Anonymous #1 8w

Yes however, like I said, prostitution mainly relies on prostitutes having “pimps” and selling them out. I looked it up, roughly 65-85% of prostitutes are “owned” by pimps. And furthermore, sex work is extremely dangerous and sex workers are more likely to be murdered or overdose. The system was not set up to benefit women, just for men to have a woman to use.

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Anonymous #2 8w

Prostitution is illegal in every state other than Nevada

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Anonymous OP 8w

sex workers do not want to be called prostitutes. listen to sex workers more

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Anonymous #2 8w

I agree. I think that sex work should not be normalized, similar to selling drugs. If you have to make a living, I understand completely, but marketing it as “feminist” demeans women

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Anonymous #2 8w

Prostitution is sex work, I’m more specifically referring to prostitution. However, the porn industry is also extremely harmful to women and often uses similar manipulation tactics as prostitution.

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Anonymous OP 8w

Who is actually marketing sex work as feminist though? None of my arguments have even about feminism. I’m not concerned with feminism.

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Anonymous #1 8w

Similar to what you initially argued, sex workers often claims it’s empowering or a way to make easy money. A huge example of this is OnlyFans models. Most people don’t market it that way, however the fact that you couldn’t agree with me is also similar to marketing it as empowering. Does that make sense?

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Anonymous OP 8w

No. I don’t agree with you because frankly, I think modern feminism has lost the plot and I don’t actually care about empowerment. You can’t just blame the patriarchal boogeymen and call it a day. In the real world, right now, women are making easy money. Whether or not they feel empowered by the ability to do that is irrelevant. If men weren’t interested, there would be no mutually-beneficial exchange taking place. Also, for men, that option sparsely exists.

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Anonymous #1 8w

So selling drugs is mutually beneficial and therefore empowering?

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Anonymous #1 8w

My argument has always been that the women involved should be adults, consenting, and compensated for their efforts. If exploitation happens then obviously they’re the victims in those instances. What I was addressing was women who objectify themselves. You cannot objectify yourself in order to earn money and then turn around and play the victim as if it’s somehow men’s fault for seeking out your services.

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Anonymous OP 8w

No one brought up selling drugs except for you. I would say that’s a false equivalency to sex work.

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Anonymous #1 8w

It’s not falsely equivalent, both result in a “mutually beneficial” agreement like you mentioned and both are illegal. The only difference is, you’re not selling someone’s body.

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