Studies by JJ Donohue and Levitt show legal abortion caused crime to drop 20% from 1997-2014, roughly 1% a year from 24 years after Roe v Wade, when many “unwanted” pregnancies that had been terminated would have reached adulthood. The recently revised study has been out for like 6 years already.
Nothing I said brought up race. you don’t need to put words in my mouth to try to make a point. You’re using black women and their personal choices as a weapon and it’s sick. Black women and any other person of color, ANY person who CAN give birth deserves the choice of who can take from their body, including a clump of cells that isn’t guaranteed to fully develop in the first place. Do you hate women who HAVE to get abortions out of necessity too, even when the baby is wanted?
There are doctors that confirm this. Something like removing an ectopic pregnancy (which is an emergency) is not the abortions we’re talking about because that embryo is not and could never be viable and also actively poses a threat to the mother. And aside from the fact that abortion is never necessary, you and I both know the vast majority of abortions are elective.
Nope, we’re including those types of abortion as long as women are being refused medical help for such things until their lives are in danger, which has made the news several times in my own state for happening. Abortions should always be an option, especially for quality of life of the mother. You sound like the type to deny a raped child the option. You like forcing kids to go through the trauma of giving birth after the trauma of rape as well?
No, I don’t think the wrong of abortion is made ok because of the wrong of rape. Two wrongs don’t make a right. The abortion doesn’t “undo” the rape. And most of those news stories you’re seeing are malpractice issues where the laws aren’t being applied properly. And no, you don’t get to kill someone for your own quality of life. Someone’s existence being inconvenient for you doesn’t negate their right to life.
Comparing abortion to genocide is insane. Go touch grass. The U.S. can’t even take care of the people it has now and you want millions MORE of babies and children facing abuse and poverty? Not all but MANY would be harmed far more for being brought into this world. People do not seek abortion solely for selfish reasons and to think you know better than those making the decision because of what they face in their own life is a ridiculous assumption you’d be a better person to abandon.
Not pretending to know everyone’s situation, but it is a fact most are elective. You can acknowledge that pro life sees abortion as murder (even if u disagree) and therefore no set of circumstances or potential hardship in the child’s life justifies them being killed. And in that case, if it is in fact murder, then this is the largest genocide ever. Also, don’t talk about us not being able to support people, y’all say we need immigration bc the birth rate is too low, so which is it
You sound actually crazy, I have no idea what you’re talking about on your last point. It is true we can’t support people lol families get to start out their lives in crippling debt because we make them pay to give birth (which you like to force upon them obviously) and another example is those who fight for this country are homeless and die from suicide at alarming rates. The leading cause of death for pregnant women is Homicide and suicide based on a study using CDC data from 2005-22.
Dude if you have any form of health insurance birth is covered. People post their pre insurance bills online. There’s different kinds of plans. People with Medicaid often pay nothing and people with private insurance end up paying a small percent of their bill. I’m not forcing people to have kids, you make that choice when you have sex. When you do the thing that makes kids, you can’t get mad when you get pregnant.
They post after insurance bills as well but you’re neglecting to include anyone who doesn’t have insurance at all. Also, you include rape victims in the “must give birth” section of your argument so yes you are trying to force people to have kids because “two wrongs don’t make a right 🥺” regardless of if they were violated or have the means to take care of it.
Literally almost any full time employment comes with health insurance like if you work fast food full time you get benefits. And if you can’t work for whatever reason you can get Medicaid and/or disability. I don’t see it as forcing birth but instead not allowing murder. Sure, for rape victims it’s a hard situation but like I said that is a tiny portion of abortions AND murder doesn’t rectify the trauma the woman suffered. In fact, having an abortion just adds on to the trauma.