Anonymous #1 20h

Not where I live dawg

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Anonymous OP 20h

Where do you live? Cause puberty blockers and hormones two diff things if that’s what you mean

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Anonymous OP 20h

where is that? because the majority of surgeries do require you to be 18, and unless you have parental consent and usually time with therapists and doctors for hormonal, no hrt either

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Anonymous #2 20h

Ah I suppose I got the two confused, are they not kind of in the same ball park though? Puberty blockers would prevent specific hormones

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Anonymous #1 20h

I’m under the belief that even with parental permission they should wait, it’s the same idea of when you get a tattoo while young you may regret it, I just think everybody should take ample time they need to figure things out instead of going guns blazing

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Anonymous OP 20h

They do what the name implies temporarily pause physical changes caused by puberty. Then once you turn 18 you can choose to get on actual hormones. Or if doing blockers you realize hey I’m not trans, you can get off them and go through puberty as normal. It was originally a treatment for precocious puberty.

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Anonymous OP 20h

the only surgery that i can think of off the top of my head that is commonly used by people transitioning are breast reductions, which even cis girls can get if theres too much mass and its causing health problems, or breast enhancements, which parents still sign off for

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Anonymous #2 20h

The only issue is that you don’t go through puberty as normal, youve prevented it during the prime time of when it should be occurring

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Anonymous OP 20h

the whole “you may regret it” part is the reason most minors are also required to go through a couple months of therapy and counseling so they can make an informed decision

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Anonymous #1 20h

Yeah fair enough on that part, I’m more thinking of the changes that can happen to your body while young, if you so happen to change your mind later on you are kinda SOL

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Anonymous OP 20h

It just starts at a diff time and from there you usually develop as normal.

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Anonymous #1 20h

Only a couple months while as a minor is still scary to me, at least when I look back to when I was younger. Many of my views and opinions have changed wildly.

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Anonymous OP 20h

I hit puberty way late without drugs and I think I’m fine

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Anonymous OP 20h

You’re talking about something that has a medical regret rate of like 1% just so ya know

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Anonymous #2 20h

Not true, the reason I bring this up is because I just had a long chat with a friend of mine who is trans, she is unsure of what to do because she feels she does not pass as a girl but had been on puberty blockers for so long that it has affected her body permanently

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Anonymous OP 20h

The main permanent effects are slightly reduced bone density and possibly reduced adult height, though the bone density problem is usually counteracted with extra calcium and vit. D supplements

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Anonymous #3 20h

Well that’s just late puberty, the fact you said without drugs is the major factor there

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Anonymous OP 20h

The point is to prevent it, because going through puberty if you are trans is incredibly damaging and has lifelong psychological impacts. Plus it means more extensive treatment is needed to transition, which costs time and money.

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Anonymous #1 20h

Genitalia reduction, voice irregularities as well

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Anonymous #4 20h

The problem here is treating a natural puberty as if it is neutral. For a trans kid it isn’t. It’s overwhelmingly negative. Just like if you forced a cis kid to take hormones.

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Anonymous #4 20h

I argue that preventing the puberty is just as harmful except physically

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Anonymous OP 20h

Has she taken estrogen? Just puberty blockers isn’t going to make her pass.

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Anonymous #2 20h

I think you should double check your sources friend, the percentage is much higher than that

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Anonymous OP 20h

for men I suppose, and they would keep a higher childlike voice, but that could still be corrected the same way ftm trans people develop deeper voices

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Anonymous OP 20h

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8099405/

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Anonymous OP 20h

Having seen what trans people who couldn’t access puberty blockers go through, no it isn’t. They wish they were fully just able to transition before 18. Puberty blockers are a compromise.

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Anonymous #4 20h

My whole point is that they are still a child, they brains are developing, I argue they are still unsure what they truly are and should give it time, I didn’t know what gender I liked until about a year or two ago

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Anonymous OP 20h

No, that’s the percentage. You can look it up.

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Anonymous OP 20h

So they are still developing and can’t make a decision so you think the answer is to force them to go through a puberty they don’t want instead of letting them pause it until they turn 18?

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Anonymous #1 20h

It’s still demasculating, and easily preventable

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Anonymous OP 20h

yeah thats the point

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Anonymous #4 20h

Yes because the “pausing” is not just a pause, your body does not simply resume the process like nothing happened, there are repercussions

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Anonymous #1 20h

So you agree with me then? I don’t get why someone who decided they no longer feel like a woman would want to be demasculated

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Anonymous #4 20h

But how about on the other end of the spectrum, those who wish they never took the blockers in the first place, it’s a permanent change to your body based of a decision you make in middle school

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Anonymous OP 20h

So instead we force kids to go through a puberty they don’t want which will require extensive and expensive surgery and hormone treatments to undo?

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Anonymous OP 20h

So what is your argument? that we restrict puberty blockers to people who have had 3 years of therapy? 5? to prevent any harm to a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of people? at that point just force everyone to not use them, lets burden the healthcare system. Because it is a fact that is more costly to transition after 18, with lessened results, than before.

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Anonymous #1 20h

You kinda said it for me yeah, I simply just don’t agree with giving underage people something that will affect them permanently, unfortunate that they will have lesser results, but that’s life, we make compromises, I wish I could have bought bitcoin when it was very cheap as well

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Anonymous OP 20h

How many trans people do you know that have medically transitioned for over a year? how many have expressed the idea that they wish they had started later? because I know many, and there has never been one that hasn’t said they wish they started earlier. would you argue against any sort of team sports for children? or circumcisions, antidepressants, ADHD medication or Accutane? these all have permanent effects, some negative, and are commonly done

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Anonymous OP 20h

This is never applied to giving kids braces or cis hormone treatments. It’s only applied to trans people

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Anonymous #1 20h

I mean I don’t take my prescribed aderal because it made me feel not like myself during middle and high school, I will admit I do not know many trans people and can say I only know 1 and they wish that they had never taken the puberty blockers. I’m just one of those people who believes not every problem needs to be solved with a pill or some other type of medication, if a child has ADHD you can channel the energy and teach them instead of doping them up

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Anonymous #4 20h

Because unlike the medications used for trans people, those do not leave significant lasting effects

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Anonymous OP 20h

these all have significant lasting effects, braces change your bone structure permanently and cis hormone treatments still have permanent lasting effects, they’re just the expected permanent lasting effects for someone of that sex

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Anonymous OP 20h

You think the use of puberty blockers or other hormone treatments for cis kids doesn’t have permanent effects? I have a metal bar in my teeth that’s permanent.

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Anonymous #4 20h

You know what’s also permanent? An unwanted natural puberty.

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Anonymous #1 20h

Both of those are what’s known as corrective meaning to fix something abnormal. Hormone treatments are used for deficiencies trying to regulate the body to doing what it should be doing, braces are are attempting to straighten teeth which may have became crooked due to bone structure or other reasons

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Anonymous #4 20h

Cis kids would not use blockers or treatments unless it was to attempt to correct something and make it more normal in the body

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Anonymous #4 20h

Ah but it’s natural, which would not harm the body

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Anonymous #4 20h

You’re confusing my use of permanent with simply bad, something can be permanent and not harmful, in the same way something can be permanent and harmful

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Anonymous OP 20h

cancer and mosquitoes are also natural, glasses are not

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Anonymous #1 19h

What’s your argument here?

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Anonymous OP 19h

just because something is natural does not mean it is good.

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Anonymous #1 19h

Fair enough, but my argument is that simply having a natural puberty will not cause you bodily harm or abnormalities like blockers may cause

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Anonymous OP 19h

But it would be a contributing factor towards dysphoria, as well as the fact that being visibly trans raises the chance of assault massively

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Anonymous #1 19h

My whole point of this post at the beginning is that I think those who are in middle school to early high school experiencing dysphoria will grow out of it. If they still feel the same way years later during junior year, I say yeah go for it, but thoughts and opinions can change on a whim and I simply believe that it is too large of a decision to make at that young of an age. It’s alright if we disagree on that motion, that’s just life we don’t have to agree on everything

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Anonymous OP 19h

If you talk to a trans person you will know the massive psychological harm it causes. Suicide sure is bodily harm.

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Anonymous OP 19h

Invisalign was an unnatural treatment for my naturally fucked up teeth.

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Anonymous #4 19h

Again I don’t know what this adds to the argument, I’ve already stated my opinion on how both unnatural and natural things can be harmful or helpful it’s all circumstantial

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Anonymous OP 18h

Yeah. For a trans person going through a natural puberty is generally very harmful. Hormone blockers are a bit better but the best option is just taking hormones

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Anonymous #4 18h

Sorry but that’s just where we aren’t going to agree, that’s cool though just matters of opinion

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Anonymous OP 18h

Ask a trans person about it. They will tell you.

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Anonymous #4 18h

As you can read in some of older posts, I was inspired to write this post because of a conversation I’ve had with a trans friend. Hormone blockers and a year I believe of therapy

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Anonymous OP 18h

She said she was concerned about not passing. If she hasn’t taken estrogen of course she isn’t passing well.

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Anonymous #4 18h

Deuces dude ✌️we just aren’t gonna be on the same page

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