Anonymous #1 4d

Of 2000 people

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Anonymous #2 4d

But what are the 6% specifically? Serial rapists that got caught?

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Anonymous #1 4d

I guess?

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Anonymous #2 4d

So the standard for a man is simply not hanging around with serial rapists that get caught?

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Anonymous #1 4d

Or serial rapists in general, but I don’t know since I’m not either OP

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Anonymous #2 4d

Awesome. You don’t hang out with rapists. Congratulations! Has anyone ever told you it’s not always done by serial rapists?

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Anonymous #1 4d

I don’t understand why you’re trying to combat me here on a topic I didn’t even start

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Anonymous #2 4d

Because you kinda seem to be implying that the standard for men is to simply not hang out with rapists

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Anonymous #1 4d

No it’s the ones who get caught and the ones who haven’t been caught yet

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Anonymous #1 4d

No, because that’s people who have been caught and haven’t been caught. The standard is to not hang around the crowd that we get those vibes from, and to report them if we ever find out about anything

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Anonymous OP 4d

The only people who hang out with that 6% are other people who are part of the 6%

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Anonymous #1 4d

Idk why you’re trying to turn this into an argument, there’s nothing to even argue about. I just stated the numbers and somehow that means I’m defending rapists or saying something about the standard for men. The standard for women and men is the same: stay away from rapists and report when anything happens. Idk what you want to try to argue differently

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Anonymous OP 4d

My point with the last sentence was that men don’t report it because we don’t know rapists. The only people who hide rapists are other rapists. Same with pedophiles. Idk about you, but I don’t know of any pedophiles or rapists because I don’t have any in my life. And if I did have any in my life, once I found out, I’d make sure they were no longer in my life or anyone else’s as best I could

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Anonymous OP 4d

My point is you probably DO have some in your life and don’t even know it. And a lot of the time the act is rationalized to the point of where guys do not believe they did it. So, maybe the standard should be a little higher than simply avoiding self proclaimed rapists. Your post gives off “nice guy” energy.

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Anonymous OP 4d

It’s WAY more than 6% btw

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Anonymous #1 4d

No I DO NOT have any in my life. By your logic, YOU probably have some in YOUR life too that you don’t know about, so why aren’t you reporting them? Do you see the flaw in your logic? How do you report something you don’t know about? Both times I’ve ever told someone “this person is weird, they’ll probably SA you if you aren’t careful and I’d stay away from them if I were you”, the people didn’t listen and they got SA’d. Literally what else do you want me to do?

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Anonymous #1 4d

Your comments give off “I’m higher than thou” energy since you seem to not hold even that “low” standard that you loathe to yourself

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Anonymous #1 4d

The only person I know who’s gotten raped is a guy, and the girl doesn’t think she did it either. So I think you really need to stop thinking of it as “all men are the problem” and more as “all rapists are the problem”

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Anonymous #3 4d

It’s not. Have fun looking into that yourself

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Anonymous OP 4d

Because it’s not always the people you think it is doing it. People rationalize it. It’s not always just some blatantly creepy dude. Your post is a low effort dodge at accountability for men.

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Anonymous #1 4d

I’m aware that it’s not always creepy men, but trust me, men are VERY acutely aware of when someone has or could do something, and we try to stop it in advance or report it when it happens. I’m sure it’s similar for women with other women. Please elaborate on how I’m “dodging accountability”by telling you that men should report other men when they know there’s a problem. If anything that seems pretty accountable

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Anonymous OP 4d

Because your post is basically “not all men are bad! I’m not even friends with any rapists!”

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Anonymous #1 4d

I’m pretty sure most people can say they aren’t friends with any rapists lmao, like I told you, the 6% tends to stay in their own circle and repeat offend while defending each other. The rest of us don’t rape

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Anonymous OP 4d

I’m not saying nobody should ever be reported. I’m saying that you’re white knighting yourself.

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Anonymous OP 4d

You don’t know that

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Anonymous #1 4d

No I’m not I’m saying that most normal people would report a rapist, and that luckily most men are normal. Is that a crazy statement?

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Anonymous #1 4d

I do. And if I don’t, then what am I able to do about it? Literally nothing. Same goes for you

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Anonymous OP 4d

Uh, no. You can talk about it and look for the signs among your peers. Rapists are everywhere, and could be anyone. Stop white knighting yourself just because you’re not friends with someone who’s obviously a rapist.

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Anonymous #1 4d

It’s interesting how pretty much every women said they’d feel unsafe with him

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Anonymous #3 4d

Who is every woman..?

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Anonymous #1 4d

I’m not white knighting myself at all. If anything, you are by implying that you’re completely separate from the issue. Obviously they’re everywhere, and could be anyone, and obviously we ask each other if we’ve noticed anything bad going on whenever someone we know gets involved with a girl. We’re not being willfully ignorant. We’re having false pretense put on us that we defend rapists when nobody does that except other rapists

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Anonymous #1 4d

Btw sorry for the delayed response, had a class to go to. Also I thought about it a bit, and I think the reason that I personally don’t see or interact with as many rape situations as others might is because nobody in my circle really does hookups, so there’s really not as much to talk about as if one of us was very active

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Anonymous OP 4d

Like genuinely the only two that’ve occurred, we all called out months in advance, so that’s why I feel like it’s a bit disingenuous to say “you definitely know a few rapists in your friend group, you just don’t know they’re rapists”

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Anonymous OP 4d

It’s not disingenuous. Ted Bundy was charming as fuck and his wife had no idea what kind of a person he was until he was caught. Look, I’m not accusing you of anything, I’m just saying it’s ignorant to just celebrate that none of your friends are obviously rapists. It’s giving similar energy to saying “I’m not racist. None of my friends have ever lynched anyone.”

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Anonymous #1 4d

I mean yeah, but the flaw in your logic is in your own statement. If Ted Bundy’s own wife didn’t know he was a monster, you can’t really say that it’s all men’s fault that other men rape. I’ll use a snake for this analogy. So, some people know to stay away from snakes with triangular heads because they’re venomous, so they tell others to stay away from those snakes as well as venomous snakes with common, recognizable markings on their bodies. So, everyone who knows that stays away from those

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Anonymous OP 4d

(continuing because I ran out of room) So if you see a venomous snake near others, you point it out and do what you can to keep them and yourself from getting bit and then steer clear of it. If the snake isn’t next to you, you don’t know it exists unless someone has told you about it. If it’s bitten someone, you’ll only know if it’s bitten someone if you see the bite or someone tells you about the bite. The only other way you’ll know is if you see the snake bite someone

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Anonymous OP 4d

The only situation where you can do anything about it is if you see the snake before it bites someone. At that point, if you do nothing to prevent it, THEN you are accountable for it. In the other cases, it’s impossible to know until something happens. Now for snakes that aren’t venomous or don’t have obvious markings to see, etc. Regular looking snakes can bite too. The same scenarios go for them too, though. If a snake bites someone, and you don’t know the snake nor the person it bit,

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Anonymous OP 4d

…you’ll never know the snake bit someone unless you hear about it second hand. It’s as if neither the snake nor the bite exist, so how are you going to do something to prevent the snake from biting in the future if you don’t know any information about the snake or that it even exists? You can’t. Even if a snake you don’t know bites someone you do, you’ll only know if someone tells you about the bite, you see signs of the bite, or the person who got bit confides in you. Otherwise, you won’t know

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Anonymous OP 4d

The only situation where you’re accountable for the bite and can prevent future bites is if you witnessed the snake rearing its head getting ready to strike and you still allowed the person who got bit to get too close without either removing them from the snake or removing the snake from them

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Anonymous OP 4d

So I get that anyone can be a snake that bites someone, but it’s unfair to say that it’s so obvious that it’s a simple task to hold them accountable. If you don’t know they exist (ie a stranger assaults your friend but you never knew the stranger beforehand), there’s literally nothing you can do in that case. If you did know, and there were literally 0 signs, you can’t do anything until after the fact, in which case you definitely should do something (duh)

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Anonymous OP 4d

The literal ONLY case where the bystander can be held accountable is if they witnessed the snake preparing to bite, saw the victim approach the snake (whether they were made aware of the snake or not), and still stood by and did nothing. Hate to say it, but this is the least likely scenario out of all of them because nobody (at least from my experience and observations from the time I’ve had on this earth, maybe it’s different for you) willingly lets the snake bite someone

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Anonymous OP 4d

And if it is different for you, I’m sorry to hear that you’ve been surrounded by those types of people and experienced that complacency. The point of this post was to say that most men aren’t like that, but the ones who are are EXTRA evil and unfortunately more than make up for everyone else being normal

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Anonymous OP 4d

(the fact that each one of those men have on average 14 or more victims)

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Anonymous OP 4d

The point of my comment is to say there’s more men like that than you think. Your post was a tone deaf attempt to say “not all guys are bad” by referencing how 6% are serial rapists. That doesn’t account for others who have only done it once, or have done it without realizing it. You tried to flex with what should be the bare minimum. And your reaction is proving my point. I’m pointing out that people are less innocent than you think, and you’re hiding behind denial.

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Anonymous #1 4d

It actually does account for those who have only done it once, or have done it without realizing. If you ACTUALLY read what I said instead of getting flustered at the idea that genuinely not all men are bad, and that it’s just a very small amount so your demonization of all men isn’t valid anymore, you’d see that it’s the AVERAGE amount of victims, not total. It accounts for those who have done it just once and those who have done it but not been called on it yet, because- (character limit)

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Anonymous OP 4d

-because that number came from a pool of men in general. The number includes those who were known to have done it, AND those who had not yet or did not know they had yet. So yes, it’s 6%. For my own curiosity, I’d like to ask you what you personally think the number is. What percentage of men do you think have raped or will rape someone during their lives?

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Anonymous #1 4d

In what way is my point tone deaf? Please elaborate. Also, since you seem to think you have this all figured out, how do you find those who “aren’t so innocent” as I believe? Please tell me exactly how you’d do so, in detail. If you think it’s a conversation, detail exactly who you’d talk to, and what you’d say. Not just “I’d talk to my friends about it”

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Anonymous #1 4d

If anything it’s tone deaf to say that “more men are bad than you think” since that’s a blatantly false statement proven false by many, many studies and surveys. You’re just trying to demonize a group you know nothing about

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Anonymous OP 4d

I’ve already elaborated. I’m not demonizing anyone, I’m acknowledging that we don’t live in a world of pure good and evil like in cartoons. Once again, you’re flexing what should be a basic standard. You’re not friends with any self proclaimed rapists, congratulations. You’re just another fragile man that doesn’t want to accept someone you know might have committed SA before.

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Anonymous #1 4d

You really haven’t elaborated anything. The only thing you’ve done is consistently misread and misconstrue what I’ve said. So please, give the example like I asked. Clearly you think I need it, so it shouldn’t be too hard for ya. Also yes, I do know someone who has SA’d. They’ve been cut off from my life for a few years now, and I think I can speak for most men when I say that if that ever happens again, we’d all do the same 💀 no clue why me saying “I’m glad I don’t know any rapists” is bad

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Anonymous #1 4d

In what way am I flexing not knowing a rapist? I already told you, most people aren’t. It’s not a flex if it’s something most people have, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with being glad to not be around rapists. Would you rather me be in a circle of rapists because that’s exactly how all your comments read and pretty much the only point you’ve been making

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Anonymous #1 4d

I never said it’s not a basic standard lmao, obviously not being friends with rapists is just the surface. No shit?

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Anonymous OP 4d

What the fuck do you want an example of? I’m just saying there’s no way you can ever really know if your peers aren’t rapists. Saying you don’t know any for a fact is ignorant.

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Anonymous #1 4d

If you really care about the issue and not just demonizing men, you’d happily give the example and advice I asked for. Instead, you’re just dodging it because you know that’s not your intention. Your intention isn’t to bring positive attention and change to the issue, it’s to put down people who you’ve never met with baseless assumptions

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Anonymous #1 4d

I can say it again since I guess you didn’t catch it the first time. Give me an example of the conversation you’d have with your friends if you were a man since that’s something you suggested earlier. The questions you’d ask, why you’d ask them, how you’d know who to ask, how you’d know what to believe or not, etc. How would you, with your expert detective skills, sniff out the rapists?

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Anonymous OP 4d

The advice is literally just stay vigilant and don’t assume the people you know are innocent just because they don’t openly rape people. You’re being highly oversensitive.

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Anonymous OP 4d

Like I’ve said, most guys avoid the obvious crowd, so go more in depth than just bad vibes or obvious red flags

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Anonymous #1 4d

How am I the over sensitive one when you had this reaction to a post saying “6% of men commit all rape and SA crimes, but a lot of them are monsters and have a large amount of victims that makes it seem like it’s a lot more men than it really is”

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Anonymous #1 4d

I just went to go back and read everything to make sure I didn’t miss anything, and I can see that you’ve literally deleted one of your first reactions to the post bruh ain’t no way you’re calling someone oversensitive then acting like that

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Anonymous OP 4d

Because you’re downplaying instances where it’s done by regular ass people who believe their intentions were good. You’re patting men on the back for not being friends with obvious rapists, which for the tenth fucking time, is a very low standard. I’m literally just saying more people do it than you think, and it could be people you know. Stay vigilant. I’m done talking to you. I’ve had enough of you spamming me with comments like a senile old man that just discovered the internet.

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Anonymous OP 4d

Mind you this is also the exact argument racists use with “13% of the population but commit half the crimes” when they call all black people criminals. You’re literally doing the exact same thing to men and are so blinded by whatever made up percentage of men you think are evil in your head that you cannot fathom that the world is not as much of a hellscape as you think it is. Literally just go live life and you’ll see that

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Anonymous #1 4d

I’m not downplaying anything at all. If you scroll up, you’ll see that I said that nobody supports rapists. Doesn’t matter who the perpetrator is, rape is rape. I’m not patting anyone on the back, I’m saying men will not willingly hang around a rapist like many think we just openly do. I’m telling you it’s much more nuanced than you think it is, and you’re trying to tell me that it’s much more nuanced than I think it is at the same time when you wouldn’t even know since you’re not even a man.

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Anonymous #1 4d

Never once did I say that should be the standard. I agree that it’s the bare minimum. What I’m saying is that most people think men don’t even do that, and I’m saying that’s silly because obviously nobody wants to be around rapists 💀 do you disagree? Also no, it’s really not more people than I think because the number literally comes from studies and surveys. So it’s not an “I think”. I know, and you do too even if you won’t say so. If you go back and read what I’ve said, I’ve explained-

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Anonymous OP 4d

-multiple times that men stay vigilant and how they do so, yet you continue to parrot yourself and misconstrue what I said to make your fantasy hell of a reality seem like truth where rapists are everywhere. Never did I disagree that it could be anyone, and you’re right, a lot more innocent people do it than most would think. However, they’re still within that 6%. Doesn’t change that 94% of men never have and never will rape someone

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Anonymous #1 4d

My bad for typing a lot lol, I’ve always used a thumb and a pointer finger instead of both thumbs since it lets me type a lot quickly

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Anonymous #1 4d

If you’d like me to link the presentation (mind you, done by a woman) on this topic where she does a pretty good job of explaining what I’ve been saying, I can try to find a link from it. I think the part that stands out the most is when she asks the audience what they think the percentage is and a lot of people answer 40%+ with someone even saying 90%, and then it goes silent when she says 6% 💀

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