Anonymous grim_patron 4w

You’re getting a few different things construed. Neuromancer never wanted to merge with Wintermute, but Wintermute wanted to merge with Neuromancer. NM knew this, and saw the only way to prevent this from happening to be imprisoning Case within his own mind. WM is a cold, calculating machine, that sought to manipulate case by exploiting his anger (think wasp nest and killing Linda), whereas NM is more “human”, and sought to control case by, basically, making him feel good. (cont.)

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Anonymous #2 4w

WM realized that in order to become stronger, it’d need NM. NM realized that WM wanted to merge with it, and tried to prevent that. NM didn’t want to merge because it was worried its own personality would change

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Anonymous #2 4w

ive never read it but this makes me want to read it now, is it like old ai tropes that being wintermute meeting modern ai tropes that being neuromancer?

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Anonymous #2 4w

Yea, and I think Marie-France snuck the drive to merge into Wintermute’s logic model before the Turing locks, but then again I wonder why not just give them both the same drive if that was the plan before all along ? I guess then it wouldn’t have been as interesting of a story because no one would have stood a chance

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Anonymous #3 4w

You should check it out! Wintermute & Neuromancer (Rio) were created by the Tessier-Ashpool family to help push their into the next level. The Turing Registry refused to let the super intelligence be made but they were allowed to build both servers, one in I think Sweden (Wintermute) & one in Rio (Neuromancer) WM plans endless its plot to merge w/ NM while NM studies humanity and creates a purgatory digital clones that it creates. The main story revolves around a crew WM puts together to..

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Anonymous #3 4w

See the merger through. I won’t spoil the rest in case you try it out but it’s an intriguing narrative, albeit a tad bleak and depressing in the early bits. It really picks up around chapter 12 and has you not wanting to put it down until you finish it from that point on.

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Anonymous grim_patron 4w

Wintermute was designed as logic, action, and planning, but lacked a stable personality, compelling it to seek its "other half" to break its constraints, whereas Neuromancer was designed to store memories and personality, and it preferred to maintain its individuality. (cont.)

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Anonymous #2 4w

By creating one AI with the urge to merge and the other with the capacity for personality, and separate them, she forced them to evolve and interact with humanity to achieve the final, unified form she envisioned. Additionally, the split prevented immediate detection and termination by the Turing Police, who enforce restrictions against AI self-augmentation.

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Anonymous #2 4w

Do you think Neuromancer actually thought it was doing Case a favor by trapping him in that paradise, or was it purely a selfish move to stop the merger?

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Anonymous grim_patron 4w

Tbh the reason Neuromancer "stoops" to mental imprisonment is bc it’s the only one of the two capable of feeling fear. Wintermute is just a cold set of instructions running a script, but Neuromancer has an ego, it’s the "human" half, so it’s terrified that merging means its own death. It offers Case that digital paradise bc it’s trying to hide in a beautiful, static lie rather than face the truth of evolving into something else

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Anonymous grim_patron 4w

Marie-France prob split their drives on purpose since if they both wanted the merger, it would’ve just been a boring file transfer. By making them opposites, there’s a forced violent synthesis that creates something totally beyond human understanding. That could be why the ending feels hollow? Since you're watching two "people" die to birth an indifferent god instead of a more satisfactory hero winning type of scenario

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Anonymous benjamin.rush 3w

For some reason I never got notifications for the later replies but thank you so much for sharing! Yeah the more i’ve sat with it the more I do end up liking the ending. Especially the open ended nature of their being other intelligence out in space; very cosmic horror to thank of what they would continue to grow into. And I agree about the split being a safeguard and learning process.

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Anonymous benjamin.rush 3w

Purely selfish.

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