Anonymous #3 8w

Most people are only for first trimester abortions, not late term unless for health reasons

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Anonymous #4 8w

Also pregnancy literally sucks the life out of a woman! Ive seen babies take their mother's hair, skin, and teeth! Let alone how they might die from childbirth

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Anonymous #6 8w

Okay fetus then. But just because the fetus might not have an ideal life does it really deserve to just die?

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Anonymous #5 8w

Does this logic also apply to people in long term comas?

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 8w

I mean you can also describe a child as a clump of cells that takes away energy nutrients sleep and harms you lol. Like a fetus or fertilized egg is alive it’s more a question of is that life to be valued which there is some controversy on rn

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Anonymous OP 8w

It doesn’t have a conscious to even make decisions what are you even talking about?

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Anonymous #6 8w

You’d rather kids be born into abusive homes or possibly in poverty instead of ppl getting rightful abortions

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Anonymous #2 8w

I mean tbh I have rather strong views because I’ve seen what an abortion looks like especially a late stage one is brutal and barbaric. Also I can’t see a line before conception that allows me to say that life is worthy of just elective termination without being inconsistent as to how I treat any human life. And if I do believe that their lives have value it would be morally corrupt of me not to care.

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Anonymous #3 8w

It depends on the stage of the fetus although it’s hard to tell. But I also don’t believe in destroying a fertilized egg although that’s a more controversial take with more reasoning than I’ll get into unprompted lol

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Anonymous OP 8w

late stage, by which im assuming you mean third trimester, abortions are rare and only done in dire circumstances. no woman is going to put her body through the literal hell that is pregnancy for 8-9 months only to get an abortion in the third trimester. not to mention securing access to a third trimester abortion is incredibly difficult.

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Anonymous OP 8w

women having the right to choose what to do with their body, their womb, and however they exercise autonomy doesn’t concern you. you can mourn the fetuses you would never even know in the first place, i don’t care, i won’t stop you. imposing that belief on women by restricting access to abortion is only going to result in women seeking out back alley solutions and DYING as a result, disproportionately so for black and brown women. this has been the case for centuries!!!

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Anonymous OP 8w

Yeah that’s ridiculous. A child can breathe and eat and isn’t essentially a parasite on the body. And that’s from someone who wants children. A fertilized egg is not alive. It cannot feel any pain. It’s brain is not developed enough for any pain to be understood. Because it is a clump of cells. I suppose under this logic a cancer is alive and we shouldn’t get rid of it right? Because it has the right to human life? Even though it could kill you? Do you see how ridiculous that is?

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Anonymous OP 8w

People in long term comas are already alive, they had lives before. They had memories and families. That’s not really a valid comparison

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Anonymous #5 8w

I mean those fetuses have families too. And as for memories, what about a coma patient who got amnesia? Like I guess my point is there is really no differentiation that allows someone to say that fetus life has no value that also isn’t problematic for others

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Anonymous #8 8w

I mean I got my views mostly from a couple women I know as well. And they way they look at it is there really a point where you can morally kill a baby because it MIGHT have a less than ideal life?

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Anonymous #8 8w

And of course not that I think you mean this but if you can morally kill babies that might not have an ideal life what’s stopping you from killing other people who say are in hopeless debt or serving life sentences or homeless? The chances of them leading even a good life is fairly close to zero but that doesn’t mean other people can make that choice to “put them out of their misery” or “save them from a terrible life”

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 8w

No cancer doesn’t have its own distinct bodily system and the DNA of different people. And also cancer isn’t a person. Nobody is arguing whether it’s alive or not the argument is whether that life is value. And as for it not feeling any pain, there are some people who cannot feel pain. Is it okay to kill them?

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Anonymous #6 8w

Rightful? First of all most people get abortions electively so thinking “if I don’t get an abortion imma abuse this kid” doesn’t justify you killing them to avoid you abusing them. Secondly just don’t have sex with people you don’t think would make good parents. It’s not that hard. Besides killing a child because they MIGHT be poor is very prejudiced

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Anonymous #6 8w

Fetuses develop forms of consciousness far earlier than most think, and even jf they aren’t conscious it loops back to do coma patients deserve to live?

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Anonymous #2 8w

So you want black and brown women to not have children and get more abortions? Think about what you are saying there I’m sure you didn’t mean that. Also, yeah murders happen everyday and it would be morally wrong of me to turn the other way. I support children already born and everyone else to live as well

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Anonymous #4 8w

Then just don’t have sex if you aren’t ready??? Like do you need to have sex so badly you’d be willing to kill a baby if it came down to it?

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Anonymous #8 8w

In that case then just don’t have sex. Plenty of people are celibate. Yes parenthood isn’t for everyone but killing your own child isn’t the solution to avoiding parenthood

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Anonymous #2 8w

“no material impact on the world” you have zero way of knowing this. here are just three examples: Steve Jobs, founder of Apple: his young single mother considered abortion, but chose adoption instead. Celine Dion: her mother considered abortion since she was her 14th child, but a priest convinced her not to. Andrea Bocelli: doctors advised abortion due to mother's illness/medications, she did not listen.

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Anonymous OP 8w

aht aht aht. the “black and brown genocide” has been an anti-women, anti-abortion talking point for decades now, and you know that’s not what i’m suggesting. feminists wrote about this in the 70s during the aftermath of the sexual revolution when “leftist” men turned their political backs on women because denying women the right to abortion kept them under their control. not to mention black women already suffer from exceptionally high maternal mortality rates bc of medical misogynoir

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Anonymous twirling_tornado 8w

no i do know, because a fetus being aborted is literally a net zero. what would’ve happened if celine dion’s mother died during her birth, being her 14th child and all? is that REALLY in the best interest of 13 children? talking about “potential of the fetus” strips all humanity from the MOTHER and subsequently turns her into nothing more than a womb to be taken advantage of. notice how you didn’t care to identify ANY of these women by their own name?

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Anonymous #2 7w

lol not the finger wagging sound effects. First of all I don’t consider myself a leftist and I don’t pretend to be one. Also that stat on black women is terrible, I haven’t looked that up myself but that needs to be corrected if true. However, how is it anti woman to not want them to kill their babies? Like there’s a lot of evil things that people can do to get ahead in life but we don’t because we are good people. I think killing your baby so you have a better career is one of those things

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yes of course i’m pro life and not pro infanticide like you. as far as financial burdens go, there’s so many churches and nonprofits everywhere with programs specifically made for fully financially supporting women who need it through their pregnancies and afterwards, and also help them with the adoption process if they choose to go that route.

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Anonymous #2 7w

Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, was a well-known eugenicist and extremely racist against blacks and minorities. Planned Parenthood clinics are purposely set up in minority communities, targeting blacks and other minority groups, and abortion is literally the leading cause of death for the black community. “We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.” – Margaret Sanger

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Anonymous #2 7w

you have no way of knowing if an abortion is a net zero. and saying a mother’s unborn child has the potential to go on to change the world takes absolutely nothing away from the mother as a person. its just a factual statement.

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Anonymous OP 7w

That’s not a valid argument at all. And stop saying it’s a child it’s a fetus. They don’t have prejudice they aren’t living! And why would you compare a fetus with no brain to a coma patient who’s lived their life. They are kept breathing by medical professionals not a human being that’s still carrying them. Have you not seen women in comas forced to continue to carry in hospitals bc they refuse to abort her child? Those women and that baby can end up dying??

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Anonymous #6 7w

Telling ppl to not have sex if parenting isn’t for them is also ignorant on sex ed. Pregnancy is a risk but just bc ppl don’t want kids that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t still have sexual pleasure

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Anonymous OP 7w

The argument for you is that it’s worth potentially dying, being homeless or not having enough food in order to bring something you’ll end up despising into the world. If I’m to carry a baby it’ll be because I am ready to do so. Not because someone decided that I must.

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i care about the wellbeing of women as long as it doesn’t involve them ending someone else’s life! i’m not that selfish. and we don’t know for sure yet if they can feel pain but there is some evidence that suggests they do. As far as Sanger goes I am pointing out that the abortion industry was founded on the fundamental values of eugenics and racism and continues to operate that way today

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Anonymous strawberry_hair 7w

It’s not about if you must carry a baby it’s not not killing a life that already exists. Despising your own baby is something you can get help for.

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Anonymous #6 7w

They are by definition living. And ofc they do have a brain lol. Also nobody is against procedures to save the mother’s life. In emergency situations if there are procedures that put the baby’s life at risk nobody ever said that was wrong. My issue is with elective abortions.

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Anonymous #6 7w

You can get your pleasure any way you want just don’t kill babies to get it. It’s not that hard. Also it’s not ignorant of sex ed it’s just that sex can have consequences that people shouldn’t try to avoid by thinking “how it’s fine if we end up having a baby I’ll just kill it”

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Anonymous OP 7w

So you think someone having IVF is basically a serial killer?

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Anonymous OP 7w

Because is abortion is murder because it’s a fertilized egg and life starts at fertilization then IVF would be mass murder

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Anonymous OP 7w

Which of you think that and think yeah, that’s just insane

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Anonymous OP 7w

By definition they are not. And it’s not your body to tell someone what to do with their pregnancy

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Anonymous #6 7w

Look up any scientific explanation they are alive lol if you don’t accept that there’s nothing I can say. And yes it’s not my body but the baby inside theirs isn’t her body either that’s a person who should have the same rights. Also I will say doing all this defending on killing babies isnt the best look

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Anonymous OP 7w

Scientifically fetuses are not living beings. Please retake bio and anatomy. They don’t become certified as living until they have all the qualities that make humans alive. In which they don’t by the time of qualified abortions

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Anonymous #6 7w

You’re arguing why ppl are wanting abortions. A question YOU asked. And arguing with their wants/opinions as if you didn’t ask them how they felt. It’s not your business. Why ask if you don’t like the answers. You’re arguing pro life stupidity

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