Anonymous littlepenis_forever 17h

So isolation?

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Anonymous OP 17h

No

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Anonymous littlepenis_forever 17h

Well, if you don’t care, they might as well be isolated

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Anonymous OP 17h

Solo isolation is just man alone and group isolation is just men-only spaces so thats already a thing bruv

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Anonymous littlepenis_forever 17h

Which one would you prefer?

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Anonymous OP 17h

Idc bruv

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Anonymous littlepenis_forever 17h

OK, so you prefer isolation

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Anonymous OP 17h

Nah you do

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Anonymous littlepenis_forever 17h

It sounds like you do, Bubba

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Anonymous hellraiser 17h

HOLY SHIT WHATS UP BRUV I DIDNT KNOW YOU WERE BACK ON THE YAK

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Anonymous OP 17h

Bro im a dude im just fucking with you because your premise was lowkey sped

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Anonymous hellraiser 17h

Isolation is more practical for harm reduction. Normality is a moving goal post

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Anonymous hellraiser 17h

And what makes my views concerning

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Anonymous OP 17h

Doesn’t matter if the goal post is stationary or moving, I could realistically kick a field goal from like 25 yards out

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Anonymous littlepenis_forever 17h

….

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Anonymous OP 17h

Yeah stumped ya there didnt I

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Anonymous littlepenis_forever 17h

….

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Anonymous littlepenis_forever 17h

Using sped unironically is odd

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Anonymous #3 17h

Because women would rather not be in community with men

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Anonymous OP 17h

What leads you to believe that is the case?

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Anonymous OP 17h

isolation / separation of genders is not a realistic way to reducing harm. humans react to total isolation similarly as they do to physical pain. it is extremely psychologically unhealthy. society is healthier with men and women together, i don’t think you really understand what you’re talking about at all, and im really confused as to why you have such a strange extreme view on this.

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Anonymous littlepenis_forever 17h

heyy!!

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Anonymous OP 17h

like it’s just so unrealistic that it’s strange. like this makes me think you are already fairly removed from normal social life or have some kind of profound disconnect with reality

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Anonymous hellraiser 17h

https://yougov.com/en-us/articles/53657-americans-would-rather-live-on-an-all-women-planet-than-an-all-men-one

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Anonymous #3 17h

https://yougov.com/en-us/articles/53657-americans-would-rather-live-on-an-all-women-planet-than-an-all-men-one

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Anonymous #3 17h

Also, do you care about men?

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Anonymous hellraiser 17h

Do you care about men?

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Anonymous OP 17h

didn't open the article yet but just based off the title alone that still doesn't prove that women would rather live with all woman than current society Imao where is the media literacy !!

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Anonymous hellraiser 17h

I have media literacy. the point is that the survey was done for a reason. And the results are alarming.. It’s also not the only thing I’ve heard about women not wanting to be in community with men. It’s not an unheard of complaint.

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Anonymous OP 17h

just because it’s not an unheard of complaint doesn’t mean the realistic solution is to separate genders entirely. do you not see how entirely unrealistic that is? a better solution would be finding a better way for men and women to co exist. when men are separated from women their views often become worse.

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Anonymous OP 17h

of course i do

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Anonymous hellraiser 17h

Do you care about men?

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Anonymous hellraiser 17h

Why

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Anonymous OP 17h

Of course i care about men!

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Anonymous #3 17h

Why

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Anonymous OP 17h

because men are people deserving of care and empathy too ? obviously with the horrible ones it’s a slightly different story, but i’m of the belief that most men are not terrible ppl.

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Anonymous OP 17h

Cuz i care about everyone and ita integral for dismantling patriarchy to invest in mens wellness just as much as it is womens

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Anonymous #3 17h

Wouldn’t the only way to dismantle the patriarchy be for women to not care about men by way of decentering them?

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Anonymous OP 17h

I,2,3,5 —-> which of those numbers are odd huh?

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Anonymous OP 17h

The way i see it decentering men doesnt mean we shouldnt care about them. Mass levels of inequality across the board maintain patriarchy and until mens inequality is addressed we wont have equality

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Anonymous #3 17h

Is that a minority or majority position and feminist spaces?

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Anonymous hellraiser 17h

Well, that’s an interesting position to hold

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Anonymous OP 16h

It rlly depends, it is for all the circles im in and agree with

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Anonymous OP 16h

no not really. are you far removed from normal social interaction?

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Anonymous #3 16h

Well, isn’t that Interesting

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Anonymous OP 16h

?

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Anonymous hellraiser 16h

I am not removed from normal social interaction

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Anonymous OP 16h

Sounds like you are

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Anonymous #3 16h

It sounds like your position is near evenly contested

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Anonymous littlepenis_forever 16h

….

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Anonymous OP 16h

…-…—-..-..—..—-.. i too dabble in Morse Code

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Anonymous littlepenis_forever 16h

….

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Anonymous OP 16h

you are not coming across like a socially normal human being no offense

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Anonymous hellraiser 16h

How so?

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Anonymous OP 16h

Whose isnt?

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Anonymous #3 16h

People people who think that their positions are uncontestable. Like the ones that you hold this position against.

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Anonymous OP 16h

it’s extremely unrealistic to propose separation of genders within society. to even come to the conclusion that this would be the best outcome suggests a disconnect with reality/ critical thinking of society

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Anonymous OP 16h

Yeah and thats why collaboration is important!

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Anonymous hellraiser 16h

An implied point within my original stated point would be that if women wanted to be in community with men, then they would just say that

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Anonymous #3 16h

Do you think that those people will ever detach from their positions against you and embrace your position?

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Anonymous OP 16h

it’s weird to just say randomly unprompted “i want to be in a community with men” why would ppl even talk about that unprompted ? if you made a poll majority would answer yes. i’m guessing you don’t talk to women much ?

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Anonymous hellraiser 16h

Should I make a poll and a bet?

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Anonymous OP 16h

Many will many wont. Ive had many productive conversations however. Baseline respect and listening goes a long way

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Anonymous OP 16h

yeah let’s see. you have to word it well tho

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Anonymous #3 16h

Well, then you see the dilemma

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Anonymous hellraiser 16h

Do you have a preferred wording?

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Anonymous OP 16h

Whats the dilemma

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Anonymous OP 16h

just ask if ppl would rather society be separated or keep things the way they are

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Anonymous #3 16h

The position that women should care about men in the quest to dismantle the patriarchy is very well contested, and very likely that many people will not change their minds about their contesting of that position. If that’s the case, then there is no end goal that will satisfy everybody except for isolation.

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Anonymous hellraiser 16h

Separate by gender?

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Anonymous OP 16h

yeah that’s what you’re asking right

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Anonymous OP 16h

Disagreement is a part of life, just because some folks have conciliable or irreconcilable differences, why would that necessitate isolation?

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Anonymous #3 16h

Everybody be satisfied

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Anonymous hellraiser 16h

Yep

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Anonymous OP 16h

No? All the inequalities and resentment only festers in isolation

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Anonymous #3 16h

Then just encourage stoicism inside of male isolation

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Anonymous OP 16h

That doesnt address any if the material conditions causing or deepening the inequality

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Anonymous #3 16h

The patriarchy needs male community to survive so if that cant exist then the patriarchy can’t survive and so the systemic inequities can’t survive either

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Anonymous OP 16h

All I need to survive is ripping packs of Pokémon cards. I’m a simple man

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Anonymous OP 16h

The patriarchy needs male power and thrives off of fractured community

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Anonymous #3 15h

If the only fractured community is men then it can’t survive

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Anonymous OP 15h

Nah patriarchy still thrives off of isolated men thats a major function of it tbh

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Anonymous #3 15h

Well you can’t force people to care about men. Only women really deserve care.

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Anonymous OP 15h

OP let’s set aside patriarchy and matriarchy and allat real quick. Instead we should be talking about that one thing where like the government uses ads and subliminal messaging to try to push a narrative. I forgot what it’s called though

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Anonymous OP 15h

Only women deserve care? Unpack that

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Anonymous #3 15h

Only non men and trans men deserve care bc cis men cause disproportionate harm that warrants disproportionate care for cismen

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Anonymous OP 15h

My French bulldog is a man and he deserves all the care and all the cuddles and all the affection in the world so checkmate OP

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Anonymous OP 15h

Disagree, everyone deserves care. Plus trans men perpetuate patriarchy and cause harm in the same way that cis men do

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Anonymous #3 15h

After disclosure that perpetuation and privilege is not tangible. Cis men do not deserve care. If they did then they would get it.

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Anonymous littlepenis_forever 15h

OP heelllooooo I want to have an honest discussion with youuuuu

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Anonymous OP 15h

Not true bro hella trans men are incredibly misogynistic, comes with the territory of being a man. Again why do you think categorically men dont deserve care just because some of them perpetuate bad stuff? Why is neglect the best option you can imagine?

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Anonymous littlepenis_forever 15h

U desperate bro

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Anonymous #3 15h

Neglect is the best option because forcing women to care isnt an option

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Anonymous #3 15h

Just bored

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Anonymous OP 15h

Forcing no, collaborating and opening dialogue, yes! You opened dialogue its creating conversation

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Anonymous #3 15h

In order for women to collaborate, they have to care first

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Anonymous OP 15h

Not necessarily, also i think a lot more women care than younare seeing in your polls

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Anonymous #3 15h

If they don’t care enough to collaborate, then they won’t collaborate. And I disagree.

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Anonymous OP 15h

Why do you disagree? I am a mediator for work and have discussions like this all day, often ppls lack of caring isnt as much of a barrier to communicating as one would think

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Anonymous #3 15h

if they don’t care, they don’t collaborate

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Anonymous OP 14h

That isnt always or even usually true. You can get them to care, not everyone, but most

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